11-02-2009, 03:19 PM
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Teen Medicine Hat killer gets open custody
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MEDICINE HAT - Canada's youngest multiple killer is now able to have a taste of freedom after a judge changed her sentence from closed to open custody, allowing escorted absences into the community.
As part of her rehabilitation and gradual return to the community, the girl will be allowed to go for escorted walks on hospital grounds and be taken to banks and shopping malls.
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During an annual sentencing review this morning in Medicine Hat, the girl's psychologist and case worker said the girl is making progress and would benefit from outings into the community before the end of her youth sentence.
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http://www.calgaryherald.com/freedom...945/story.html
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11-02-2009, 03:32 PM
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Don't really see anything wrong with this. Whether people like it or not, this girl will be released back into the community eventually. Better for her to be experiencing all these new things under proper supervision then leaving her locked up in a hospital and then sent out into a world she knows basically nothing about when her time is up.
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11-02-2009, 03:33 PM
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My friend is one of her counsellor's at the institution she is in. When she was incarcerated at the age of 12 or 13, it was a very sad story. She told me was just like any other girl that age, interested in shoes, drawing pictures and talking "gossip"...and then you remember the story about her murdering her entire family. Very sad story and just goes to show how much her "boyfriend" manipulated her.
Tough to say what should happen to her. One hand I was told she is making progress and absolutely could be rehabilitated. On the other hand she is a murderer and IMO should be in jail for the rest of her life. I don't care if she is rehabiliated or not, she took multiple lives and should pay for it with her freedom.
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11-02-2009, 03:51 PM
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Originally Posted by Trojan97
Don't really see anything wrong with this. Whether people like it or not, this girl will be released back into the community eventually. Better for her to be experiencing all these new things under proper supervision then leaving her locked up in a hospital and then sent out into a world she knows basically nothing about when her time is up.
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She should never see the outside world and be forced to spend the rest of her life in prison.
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11-02-2009, 03:54 PM
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Lifetime Suspension
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Originally Posted by Dion
She should never see the outside world and be forced to spend the rest of her life in prison.
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That will bring the murdered people back to life.
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11-02-2009, 03:56 PM
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The real crime? She's not going to get the H1N1 shot! Can you believe that!?
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11-02-2009, 03:59 PM
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Originally Posted by TurnedTheCorner
That will bring the murdered people back to life.
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It will give people more confidence that the justice system is really working.
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11-02-2009, 04:00 PM
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Originally Posted by Dion
She should never see the outside world and be forced to spend the rest of her life in prison.
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Ya right. In Canada? The sad fact of this country is no one should be afraid to murder someone else because you will get out in no time flat.
I am the type of person that believes in second chances for the exception of murder, no matter the circumstances, because the family and friends of the killed don't get that same opportunity.
It's total BS and if I had it my way anyone who committed murder would be sent up to a prison in Nunavut and never be seen again. And I'm saying this with a close family friend currently out of prison for killing his ex-wife and her boyfriend. I love seeing him because he is truly a nice guy but if they put him in jail and threw away the key I would not fight it.
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11-02-2009, 04:01 PM
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ALL ABOARD!
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Originally Posted by Dion
It will give people more confidence that the justice system is really working.
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Isn't rehabilitation supposed to be part of the justice system?
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11-02-2009, 04:03 PM
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Originally Posted by KTrain
Isn't rehabilitation supposed to be part of the justice system?
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Sure it is, but not with murder. You take a life you forfit any rights to ever living outside a prison wall.
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11-02-2009, 04:05 PM
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Originally Posted by Dion
She should never see the outside world and be forced to spend the rest of her life in prison.
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Which is not the issue here. She IS getting out and WILL be reintegrated into society. Rehabilitation has to begin somewhere, if you keep her locked up until the day of her release she is a much greater risk to herself and to everyone else. Trips like this are going to be extremely important for this young girl so that she doesn't crack (again) when let back out.
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11-02-2009, 04:08 PM
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Originally Posted by Dion
Sure it is, but not with murder. You take a life you forfit any rights to ever living outside a prison wall.
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So you drive home from work today and accidentally hit and kill a pedestrian by your definition you should have to forfeit all your current rights and be forced to live inside a prison for the remainder of your life.
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11-02-2009, 04:11 PM
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Originally Posted by J pold
So you drive home from work today and accidentally hit and kill a pedestrian by your definition you should have to forfeit all your current rights and be forced to live inside a prison for the remainder of your life.
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If it's premeditated - you betcha.
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11-02-2009, 04:12 PM
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Originally Posted by Trojan97
Which is not the issue here. She IS getting out and WILL be reintegrated into society. Rehabilitation has to begin somewhere, if you keep her locked up until the day of her release she is a much greater risk to herself and to everyone else. Trips like this are going to be extremely important for this young girl so that she doesn't crack (again) when let back out.
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This issue was wether she should get out. That's the point I was raising.
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11-02-2009, 04:12 PM
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ALL ABOARD!
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Originally Posted by Dion
Sure it is, but not with murder. You take a life you forfit any rights to ever living outside a prison wall.
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If she was 18, hell even 16, at the time of the murder I'd probably agree with you. But at 12, with a 20 year old boyfriend, you have to know who was pulling the strings with this crime.
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11-02-2009, 04:19 PM
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Lifetime Suspension
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Originally Posted by Dion
It will give people more confidence that the justice system is really working.
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She's a ****ed up kid. No one else has any reason to fear her unless they're related to her. I hope her life can be salvaged beyond simply keeping her locked away.
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11-02-2009, 04:23 PM
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Originally Posted by TurnedTheCorner
She's a ****ed up kid. No one else has any reason to fear her unless they're related to her. I hope her life can be salvaged beyond simply keeping her locked away.
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No reason to fear?
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Crown attorney Ramona Robins didn't oppose the change, but noted concern about the teen's lack of progress in accepting the severity of her crimes.
"I hope I get more information that I can reassure myself. I think of myself as a member of the community like any other, and I think the community wants reassurance," she said.
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http://www.cbc.ca/canada/calgary/sto...girl-teen.html
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11-02-2009, 04:27 PM
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Originally Posted by J pold
So you drive home from work today and accidentally hit and kill a pedestrian by your definition you should have to forfeit all your current rights and be forced to live inside a prison for the remainder of your life.
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How can you accidentally murder someone? You could accidentally kill someone which is completely different because accidents do happen.
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Not at all, as I've said, I would rather start with LA over any of the other WC playoff teams. Bunch of underachievers who look good on paper but don't even deserve to be in the playoffs.
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11-02-2009, 04:28 PM
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I'm sorry but this is all so much BS. She coldly exterminated her mom, her dad and her little brother in April of 2006 and we're suppossed to believe that she's any where near rehabilitated. Especially when the court reports referred to her as seriously disturbed less then 4 years ago.
Yes justice has to have a rehabilitative side, but part of rehabilitation is punishment. There's also public safety to consider.
I think we're getting snowed by our own sympathies because she was young, and we make the excuse that she made a bad decision because she was in love with that sick f$ck. Honestly Clifford Olson was young once as was Dahlmer, we shouldn't be taking any chances with her, she's at fault here, there's no debate about this.
I guess the old saying that life is cheap is true, her parents and her brothers life certainly cost her very little.
She'll be let out soon, her record will be cleared and this little monster will be wandering the streets again. Awesome.
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11-02-2009, 04:29 PM
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Norm!
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Originally Posted by KTrain
If she was 18, hell even 16, at the time of the murder I'd probably agree with you. But at 12, with a 20 year old boyfriend, you have to know who was pulling the strings with this crime.
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Yup, according to everything I heard in the reports about this, she was a remarkable little manipulator.
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