2009 NFL Regular Season Thread

[flames_1987]

Originally Posted by Saint Troy

Right, you were cracking the validity of the Saints all game. The Dolphins played amazing in the first half, but what exactly is the blueprint you saw today?

Really? All Game? I had one post before the 4th quarter just saying that Drew Brees is an elite quaterback but with how he can play on the road sometimes he's not in the Brady/Manning class at all.

The Dolphins did a great job in the first half of limiting the Saints on first and second down and Drew Brees on 3rd and longs really can struggle on the road. Without many physical teams in the NFC the Saints have a great chance to make a playoff run especially with home field but if there on the road today against 5 AFC teams this game is a huge blowout

[valo403]

Originally Posted by KTown

Its the way we lose, we lose games we should win, other teams don't lose the way we lose.

We seem to kill ourselves and go into self destruct mode. It's the way we lose that makes it painful. I am not goiing to go into a big speech about it, but we tend to lose most of our games by our own mistakes and not because other teams make great plays, we make bad plays.

Dude, you're being melodramatic. Lots of games are lost the exact same way we lost today. It sucks, but let's not go overboard.

[flames_1987]

The Saints are still a very good team and in the elite of the NFC I just don't rank them up there with the other 6-0 teams and the elite of the AFC. Not the way some journalists have been writing about them as the class of the NFL.

[Saint Troy]

Originally Posted by flames_1987

The Saints are still a very good team and in the elite of the NFC I just don't rank them up there with the other 6-0 teams and the elite of the AFC. Not the way some journalists have been writing about them as the class of the NFL.

But you aren't biased at all What is it exactly that is holding the Saints back from measuring up?

[GirlySports]

Onto the Cardinals-Giants game...

It amazes me how teams never get the snap off before the defensive team challenges.
RB was ruled down by contact when in fact he fumbled, instead of hudding, the RB should be telling his QB to run a play, even if it's spiking the ball.

[Displaced Flames fan]

Originally Posted by GirlySports

Onto the Cardinals-Giants game...

It amazes me how teams never get the snap off before the defensive team challenges.
RB was ruled down by contact when in fact he fumbled, instead of hudding, the RB should be telling his QB to run a play, even if it's spiking the ball.

I need 3 Steve Smith TD's and an Anquan Boldin shutout! Let's go!

[Montana Moe]

Apologies for the gigantic post, but here goes:

Originally Posted by KTown

I was not expectingv this at all. Miami can't have a letdown though, Brees is still too good 24 points is not enough we need over 40.

In true "yat" New Orleans dialect: "Yeah you rite!"

Originally Posted by flames_1987

I don't think the Saints have a chance if they have to go on the road in the playoffs especially in December and January but if they get home field watch out.

The only road opponent they have to worry about is the Giants, and they have the tiebreaker. Other than that, it is dome teams/southern teams all the way....

Originally Posted by KTown

One thing the dolphins did today is expose the saints and showed other teams how to beat them if they have ther right personal. There are about 10 teams that are good enough to have the game plan to beat the saints.

Please explain?

Originally Posted by flames_1987

Both teams really lack a #1 WR

Colston is in the same tier as A. Johnson, Marshall, Fitzgerald.

Originally Posted by Saint Troy

B.S like this just makes this amazing comeback even sweeter, what a game from the Saints defence to overcome the turnovers. HUGE CHARACTER WIN!!

Top 10 Saints victory of all time, IMO

Originally Posted by KTown

You played a football team with many holes you come out like that against a top 10 team and the game is over. Miami is got some right components but they have a terrible secondary, terrible receivers and a terrible linebacker core.

Top 10 teams: Eagles, Giants, Still to play: ATL twice, Patriots, Cowboys? What do you want?

Originally Posted by moon

Marques Colston isn't a number 1 receiver?

Top 10 in the league

Originally Posted by OILFAN #81

49ers @ Colts, Falcons @ Saints, Broncos @ Ravens next week.

Do all 3 teams go to 7-0 next week?

Nope 2 are after next week, Donkeys lose.

Originally Posted by KTown

I bet you were crying in your boots in the first half like the rest of the saints fans. You have alot of class, Its statemetns like that that make me laugh because I don't remember seeing you when the saints were 3-13

Seriously? Like there are a lot of fairweather Saints fans... the game changed when the Dolphins decided to throw the ball in the second half, and the Saints finally decided to pass.

Originally Posted by flames_1987

I could hardly have cared who won that game and I'm in the same boat thinking there is a blue print to beat the Saints especially on the road.

If there at home through the playoffs..different story

Once again, what is that plan?

Originally Posted by Saint Troy

Really? Somebody calling me a front runner and being a Saints fan, are you serious? Porter and Taylor ran their mouths all week, so really you want to bring up class?

Don't forget about Crowder, who's sniffing balls now?

Originally Posted by Displaced Flames fan

I think 2 of those teams will cruise to 7-0.

Agreed

Originally Posted by Saint Troy

Another way of saying that wold be: The Saints defence caused turnovers with pressure and forced the QB into making poor decisions that resulted in Saints' defensive touchdowns. Saints get zero credit for their record?

They'll never get the respect until they win it all, they'll always have the choker label. Which they have have earned over 40 years of futility.

Originally Posted by flames_1987

The Saints are still a very good team and in the elite of the NFC I just don't rank them up there with the other 6-0 teams and the elite of the AFC. Not the way some journalists have been writing about them as the class of the NFL.

Your idea of the AFC being so superior to the AFC is so 2006. Ridiculous.

[themedicineman]

So let me try to understand this. The best blueprint to beat the saints is to give up 36 points in the second half? I don't believe that to be true at all it actually seems like a bad idea.

[KTown]

Montana Moe,

Well I won't quote your post, I am just saying if you started a game like that against a quality football team you will lose that game. Thats all I said. Basically if you are losing 24-3 to say a team like Pitts. I belive you don't even come close to winning that game.

If the saints start games like they did today against good teams they will lose those games. Miami is not a good team, they have proved it this year. They are at best average, just too many holes that teams can exploit.

[transplant99]

Anyone saying the Saints aren't elite need to give there freaking heads a long hard shake.

6-0 which includes a 3-0 record against the AFC and wins over the Eagles and the Giants!!...AND they lead their division by 2 full games....yeah they have problems allright.

They had a bad game today and still found a way to win...that IMO is always the sign of a great team.

Indy is just freaking scary right now....Manning has never looked better and that is saying something.

Great day to be a Packer backer though....smoke Cleveland while watching both Minny and da Bears lose is a perfect day. Solidly in second place and if the Packers can beat the Vikes next Sunday, they are in the mix to win the division. Big if mind you.

[Montana Moe]

Originally Posted by KTown

Montana Moe,

Well I won't quote your post, I am just saying if you started a game like that against a quality football team you will lose that game. Thats all I said. Basically if you are losing 24-3 to say a team like Pitts. I belive you don't even come close to winning that game.

If the saints start games like they did today against good teams they will lose those games. Miami is not a good team, they have proved it this year. They are at best average, just too many holes that teams can exploit.

I think you're selling you team a bit short, they are better than average, but they'll have a tough go of it due to their first place schedule.

Bottom line, this is the first team out of 6 that the Saints have started out on the losing end. I'll take those odds any day. The 24-3 start was tough to overcome, but how many other teams can you say are talented enough to come back from down 21 in the second half? NE, Indy, who else?

The Dolphins went away from what was working (the run game). The Saints should be 5-1 right now, IMO. But they had the guts to come back from that deficit on the shoulders of Drew Brees, who deserves to be listed in the top 3 QB's around. Don't make him dunk on you again...

[rubecube]

Originally Posted by Montana Moe

Top 10 teams: Eagles, Giants, Still to play: ATL twice, Patriots, Cowboys? What do you want?

The Eagles aren't a top 10 team. Andy Reid doesn't know what a running-back is supposed to do, and signs 34 year-olds with bad knees to play MLB.

[Montana Moe]

Originally Posted by rubecube

The Eagles aren't a top 10 team. Andy Reid doesn't know what a running-back is supposed to do, and signs 34 year-olds with bad knees to play MLB.

LOL, good point. I guess my argument is that you play who you play, and beat who you beat. Any team that goes 6-0 is doing something right.

[rubecube]

And to the Dolphins fans that are whining in this thread about how horrible the loss was; at least you didn't lose to Oakland.

[Flickered Flame]

The Dolphins are not that bad but they badly need a big time WR. Ginn is not going to be that player imo, and the rest of the WRs are a decent supporting cast. But they really need help in the secondary. Allen has lost a step or 2 and Wilson is just awful and cannot tackle, which I think is why the Raiders let him go.

[KTown]

Originally Posted by rubecube

And to the Dolphins fans that are whining in this thread about how horrible the loss was; at least you didn't lose to Oakland.

I wouldn't say its whining its called dissapointment and frustration, you seem like a diehard fan and you know losing games like today will never sit well with fans and an organization. Whining would be blaming the refs, etc.

This isn't hockey with 82 games a year, you've got 16 games and when you lose ones like today, these are the ones that will haunt you in your bid for a playoff spot.

Yes you guys lost to Oakland, that was bad but you weren't dominating the game like the fins were, losing 40-3 today wouldn't be as bad. The dolphins could be a 4-2 team right now, but they are not they are 2-4. Good teams find ways to win aka NO,Indy,Pitts,etc bad teams find ways to lose, aka Philly,Miami,SD,Buffalo,etc.

They have 2 huge road games coming up against the Jets and the Pats. If the team has any chance of doing something this year then they will have to win those games. Not an easy feat buy any standards.

[KTown]

Originally Posted by Flickered Flame

The Dolphins are not that bad but they badly need a big time WR. Ginn is not going to be that player imo, and the rest of the WRs are a decent supporting cast. But they really need help in the secondary. Allen has lost a step or 2 and Wilson is just awful and cannot tackle, which I think is why the Raiders let him go.

I don't think Allen is as bad as you think, he's been our most consistant CB. Our safeties are horrid, but you got a wish granted sort of Will Allen is on IR now with an ACL injury he sustained during that game. Why couldnt' tha tbe Gibril or Tedd Ginn?

We will now be relying heavily on our rookies davis and smith to stop NE in the upcoming weeks, along with our terrible safeties. That game might get ugly in a hurry with Moss, Welker and Brady possibly just playing target practise with each other.

[JohnnyFlame]

Originally Posted by transplant99

Anyone saying the Saints aren't elite need to give there freaking heads a long hard shake.

6-0 which includes a 3-0 record against the AFC and wins over the Eagles and the Giants!!...AND they lead their division by 2 full games....yeah they have problems allright.

They had a bad game today and still found a way to win...that IMO is always the sign of a great team.

Indy is just freaking scary right now....Manning has never looked better and that is saying something.

Great day to be a Packer backer though....smoke Cleveland while watching both Minny and da Bears lose is a perfect day. Solidly in second place and if the Packers can beat the Vikes next Sunday, they are in the mix to win the division. Big if mind you.

Even better for the Cowboys. They didn't even play a game last week and things looked better. Then they win against a good Falcons team and see the Giants lose again. Right back into the picture and most important of all their defense played well. I still think that even if Romo plays a solid game it's their defense that is their achilles heel. They play like that and they will win some of the tough games on their sked.

[troutman]

Originally Posted by JohnnyFlame

Even better for the Cowboys.

I just hope we never have to see Austin's enormous gums again.

[burn_baby_burn]

Originally Posted by KTown

I wouldn't say its whining its called dissapointment and frustration, you seem like a diehard fan and you know losing games like today will never sit well with fans and an organization. Whining would be blaming the refs, etc.

This isn't hockey with 82 games a year, you've got 16 games and when you lose ones like today, these are the ones that will haunt you in your bid for a playoff spot.

Yes you guys lost to Oakland, that was bad but you weren't dominating the game like the fins were, losing 40-3 today wouldn't be as bad. The dolphins could be a 4-2 team right now, but they are not they are 2-4. Good teams find ways to win aka NO,Indy,Pitts,etc bad teams find ways to lose, aka Philly,Miami,SD,Buffalo,etc.

They have 2 huge road games coming up against the Jets and the Pats. If the team has any chance of doing something this year then they will have to win those games. Not an easy feat buy any standards.

I understand what your saying completely KTown. When the Chiefs were good or at least competitive I would really get down over every lose. Thinking that they should have won that game if they had only done this or done that. Pretty much every year they were in the playoff hunt until near the end of the season and it could be aggravating to lose games you were supposed to win or had in the bag.

With the current Chiefs I have never been so at peace with myself as a fan. My expectations are zero, so when the Chiefs lose (which is pretty much every week) I don't get aggravated at all. I pretty much expect them to lose. I do get excited when they show some heart and play better than expected like week 1 in Baltimore. But for the most part I just watch to see if the Chiefs can improve, to see if there is any light at the end of the tunnel. The way things are going, that tunnel circles the earth 20 times. Hard to see any light. So I'll just continue to expect the Chiefs to get their ass kicked every week and I won't lose any sleep over it.