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View Poll Results: Will you be getting the H1N1 Flu Shot?
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Yes, right away
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Yes, but not right away
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No, for medical reasons I cannot get flu shots
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0.99% |
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No. (any other reason)
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10-23-2009, 12:33 PM
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#41
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Lifetime Suspension
Join Date: Jun 2009
Location: Calgary,ab
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How many people have died from the H1NI? How many people have died from regular flu?
They should stockpile the regular flu vaccines if you ask me.
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10-23-2009, 12:35 PM
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#42
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Join Date: May 2002
Location: Virginia
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Originally Posted by Lchoy
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I don't know about Canada, but the more common vaccine around here right now is this one:
http://www.reuters.com/article/press...09+PRN20091022
which is a live virus.
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10-23-2009, 12:36 PM
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#43
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Join Date: Jul 2005
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Originally Posted by EDBTZ12
How many people have died from the H1NI? How many people have died from regular flu?
They should stockpile the regular flu vaccines if you ask me.
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They did. You want it, go get it.
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10-23-2009, 12:36 PM
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#44
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Join Date: Oct 2001
Location: Ontario
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I'm definitely getting it. I didn't get the flu shot last year for the first time in about 5 years, and was sick more this past year than the previous 5 combined.
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10-23-2009, 12:37 PM
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#45
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THE Chuck Storm
Join Date: Mar 2004
Location: Calgary
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I'll be getting it...with a little La Flames Fan on the way I would be pretty destroyed if it was passed on to my S.O. and something happened to the little one.
She's not getting it, the mercury in the thermisol is a concern.
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10-23-2009, 12:44 PM
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#46
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Aug 2005
Location: Calgary
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Originally Posted by Sliver
The wait isn't so bad though because you can take a number, get an idea on how long the wait will be and then go hang out at Boston Pizza or something. You don't have to physically wait in line the whole time.
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Yah, since I live close to downtown no where close to these burb locations my time is worth more than the low chance of me getting H1N1. I will wait to get it until my wait time is under 30 minutes.
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10-23-2009, 12:46 PM
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First Line Centre
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: Toronto
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Originally Posted by Bagor
Question:
When compared to normal flu vaccines is there any difference in timeline/ amount of clinical trials that this vaccine has been subjected to. i.e. has it had:
the same types of clinical trials with the same sample size and replications over the same time
the same types of clinical trials with smaller sample sizes and replications over less time or
Less types of clinical trials overall.
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Hmm...I should check with the public health docs to make sure I give you the right answer. However, I will say that this vaccine is different than the usual season vaccine.
Regular seasonal vaccines start their development right after the flu season when scientist can analyze the most predominant strain that year and pick the parts of the virus that the immune system reacted to. In the summer, scientist start surveying the environment to make a prediction how it will mutate into the coming influenza strain and put together a mix of strains from years past that they think will most likely resemble the coming flu virus.
Because it is a yearly process, production of the vaccine doesn't differ very much year to year, only the antigenic compound does. Therefore, clinical trials smaller, and mainly focused to see if the immune system accepts it and builds an immunity.
With H1N1, this is a totally new virus so everything has to be start from scratch. It also appeared quite rapidly so there was little warning it was becoming pandemic. I believe Canada's vaccine is coming from a strain isolated in California.
If I had to guess, I would say that there were probably less clinical trials and smaller sample size than traditional vaccine production for other new viruses, but still more than the yearly seasonal influenza. Testing is still on going, only today was it announced that a study has been completed that the vaccine is safe on pregnant women. I would also say that I think that while there are a multitude of trials and studies right now, there probably wouldn't be many that would get thoroughly peer reviewed
However, unlike the usual vaccine production, we have major countries all working together in the study and production of this vaccine. Every country is doing their own research for their population and choosing which vaccine (remember, there are 3 companies making H1N1 vaccines) to use for their citizens. There will also be large scale world wide monitoring and in real time, so any adverse effects will be noticed immediately
Anyways, I can ask for more details when I get back to work on Monday (day off today  )
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10-23-2009, 12:46 PM
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The new goggles also do nothing.
Join Date: Oct 2001
Location: Calgary
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Originally Posted by nfotiu
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That's not what they're giving out here in Canada.
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10-23-2009, 12:47 PM
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#49
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Lifetime Suspension
Join Date: Jun 2009
Location: Calgary,ab
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Originally Posted by Bobblehead
They did. You want it, go get it.
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I'm not only talking about myself there has been regular flu shortages all across the world and even here in Canada and North America for that matter.
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10-23-2009, 12:49 PM
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Join Date: Jun 2008
Location: Spartanville
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photon, any chance of adding "still undecided" to the poll?
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10-23-2009, 12:50 PM
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First Line Centre
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: Toronto
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A good FAC
http://www.phac-aspc.gc.ca/alert-ale...g_h1n1-eng.php
On thimerosal (mercury)
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"... Both vaccines contain a small amount of thimerosal. Thimerosal is a form of mercury used in the H1N1 flu vaccine to stabilize it and maintain its quality during storage. Thimerosal is a different form of mercury than the mercury known to cause health problems. The amount in the H1N1 adjuvanted flu vaccine is much less than the daily limit recommended for environmental exposure to mercury. For example, there is significantly less mercury in the vaccine than you would find in a can of tuna fish ... Yes, the unadjuvanted vaccine does contain 50 ug of thimerosal while the adjuvanted vaccine has only 5 ug of thimerosal. The 50 ug remains within the daily limit recommended for environmental exposure to mercury. There’s significantly less mercury in the vaccine than you would find in a can of tuna fish."
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10-23-2009, 12:51 PM
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Join Date: Aug 2005
Location: Calgary
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Originally Posted by Rerun
I'm getting it. Frankly, I think anybody who doesn't get it is brain dead. ...
... and I think that because:
1) either because they are too lazy to get it
2) they believe some stupid misinformation generally put out by some "Doctor" of Chiropractory or "Doctor" of Naturopathic Medicine, or some other quack.
3) they think that getting the flu shot will make them sick with the flu (which again is stupid because the virus is dead)
4) some other equally stupid reason.
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Are you a doctor or have you just drank the H1N1 the world is going to explode KoolAid.
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10-23-2009, 01:00 PM
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The new goggles also do nothing.
Join Date: Oct 2001
Location: Calgary
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Originally Posted by La Flames Fan
She's not getting it, the mercury in the thermisol is a concern.
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It shouldn't be a concern, she probably picks up more "mercury" from mom's milk if mom had some fish than she would get in the vaccine or in the second hand smoke from smoker's clothes... There's nothing to show any relation with thiomersal and any thing like autism.
And the mercury that is in it is in a chemical compound, it's not raw mercury. So being afraid of mercury in a vaccine is kind of like being afraid of table salt because the chemicals in it are an explosive metal and a caustic gas.
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10-23-2009, 01:05 PM
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#54
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The new goggles also do nothing.
Join Date: Oct 2001
Location: Calgary
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Originally Posted by Bagor
photon, any chance of adding "still undecided" to the poll?
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Unfortunately not.
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Originally Posted by mykalberta
Are you a doctor or have you just drank the H1N1 the world is going to explode KoolAid.
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Those aren't the only two options... you don't have to think that H1N1 is the end of the world in order to want to get vaccinated.
For existing strains there's already an established herd immunity, whereas with a new strain like H1N1 there's zero immunity out there, so the potential for far more people being infected exists.
All these big strong men scared of a little needle  I double dog dare you all to get vaccinated.
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10-23-2009, 01:07 PM
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#55
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Join Date: Oct 2001
Location: Vancouver
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Probably not.... unless my office gives us time off to get one.
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10-23-2009, 01:09 PM
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#56
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Join Date: Aug 2005
Location: Memento Mori
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I will, because I like to be penetrated by long things.
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10-23-2009, 01:10 PM
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#57
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Not a casual user
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: A simple man leading a complicated life....
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Quote:
Originally Posted by La Flames Fan
She's not getting it, the mercury in the thermisol is a concern.
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However, the Public Health Agency of Canada says scientific research shows vaccines with thimerosal aren't harmful, even for children.
http://www.calgaryherald.com/health/...490/story.html#
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10-23-2009, 01:10 PM
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#58
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Originally Posted by EDBTZ12
They should stockpile the regular flu vaccines if you ask me.
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The "regular" flu vaccine is designed much earlier than when the flu season starts to fight the flu stain(s) that they think will be prominent. However this year is different because it's obivious which strain is the most wide spread, H1N1.
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10-23-2009, 01:18 PM
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#59
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Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: Van City - Main St.
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No, I would only get it if I was in a higher risk group. As a young healthy guy, I'm not very concerned about a flu less harmful than the average flu.
I don't get shots based on hysteria, and prefer to limit the amount of medication in my body as much as possible anyway.
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10-23-2009, 01:23 PM
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#60
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Where are you people getting that this flu is less harmful than the average flu?
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