GAME 15: Riders at STAMPS

[flip]

Originally Posted by cross16

Thats the point though, that shouldn't be enough for a ref to make the call. Thats all tom Higgins said too that it seemed "unnatural". Yet if you watch the replay no Stamp is even that close to George. It was a flat out brutal call made on the "gut feeling" of an official. thats terrible officiating. He used the Riders players in front of him, but thats not what the rule prevents. It should not have been a penalty and Stamps should have won.The Chick penalty also was legit. You can't dive with your helmet and a QB who is on the ground. They'll call that every time and its a mistake by Chick not a bad call.
Thing is, the Stamps should have won this game in regulation so i'm not too mad about the OT calls anyway. You can't, if you call your sell a championship team, let a team drive the field in under 3 mins and score AND then give up the 2 point convert. Thats not championship calibre football.

So if the Stamps aren't playing championship callibre football, what makes you think they deserved to win?

There is so much stupid in this thread it hurts. Calling Chick selfish, saying it was a dirty play and that the Riders were lucky. Chick reacted with a half second. He didn't pile on and he didn't go helmet to helmet. That wasn't even the call. The rule is that you can't hit a vulnerable player who is already down. Chick probably should have just touched him and even BURRIS said the Stamps were lucky to not lose.

BURRIS. The quarterback of your own team admitted they should have lost and you guys are saying the Riders got lucky? Really? Your own quarterback said they should have lost and that the Stamps were lucky to not lose.

Chick didn't make a stupid play or a dirty play, he just reacted to the situation. The ref called it because he had to call it.

The CFL rule on the Burris play:

Any player in possession of the ball, who
falls to the ground without contact and is not attempting to advance the ball, may only
be touched down and may not be contacted in any other manner,

It wasn't helmet to helmet or anything else. It is called unnecessary roughness but that one label covers about 10 different scenarios. It WAS NOT roughing the passer (which covers late and dirty hits including helmet to helmet and helmet first contact)

Also, please, for the LOVE OF GOD learn the rules about pyramiding before you start posting like you know what you are talking about:

(taken directly from the official 2009 CFL rulebook)

Article 3 – Pyramiding
It shall be illegal for a player to use the body of another player or the goal post
assembly in any way to gain elevation in an attempt to block a field goal or a convert
attempt.

It was clearly pyramiding. CLEARLY. No ref in the world can miss it. The reason it is almost never called is because it is rarely used and rarely successful.


Either way I thought it was a great game. Riders were about an inch away from winning on that last play to tie it. If our db gets his hand on that ball the game is over. Great throw and a great catch though. So close for the Riders though.

[I_H8_Crawford]

Stamps didn't win Flip.

Neither did the Riders.

Stamps played terrible, IMO. They are not making the Grey Cup this year.

I hope the RIders make it since the Stamps won't so I can sell my tickets for a nice healthy profit.

[flip]

Originally Posted by I_H8_Crawford

Stamps didn't win Flip.

Neither did the Riders.

Stamps played terrible, IMO. They are not making the Grey Cup this year.

I hope the RIders make it since the Stamps won't so I can sell my tickets for a nice healthy profit.

Right, my bad. I meant lucky not to lose, at least according to Burris' post game interview.

[I_H8_Crawford]

Originally Posted by flip

Right, my bad. I meant lucky not to lose, at least according to Burris' post game interview.

Meh, both teams got lucky IMO.

One more game to decide it all. Riders should be happy 1-0-1 in McMahon, can't ask for much better than that.

[flip]

Originally Posted by I_H8_Crawford

Meh, both teams got lucky IMO.

One more game to decide it all. Riders should be happy 1-0-1 in McMahon, can't ask for much better than that.

Well, Riders have the slightly easier sched. At home to BC and Calgary and on the road in Hamilton (not in that order of course).

Calgary has to go to BC but gets to play at home against Edm then they finish on the road in Regina.

Seems the Riders are always destined to piss away a chance to win the division though. We've done it quite a few times in the last 4-5 seasons including a game in BC where we lead and Spurgeon Wynn was playing (pretty sure the game was meaningless for BC too, could be wrong though).

He led the Lions on a last minute like 80 yd drive to win the game. Actually now that I think about it, that may have only been for a home playoff date.

Either way my hopes aren't particularly high.

[cross16]

Originally Posted by flip

So if the Stamps aren't playing championship callibre football, what makes you think they deserved to win?

I never said they deserved to win. I said that there is they shouldn't have allowed the Riders that last drive. They deserved everything they got becuase they had multiple opportunities to close out of the Riders and couldn't. The Riders answered every Stamps points with points of their own. No good defence should and thus why I said, and have been saying for a number of weeks now, that the Stamps are not playing championship calibre football. You won't win a grey cup playing the type of game the Stamps played.

[cross16]

Originally Posted by flip

(taken directly from the official 2009 CFL rulebook)

It was clearly pyramiding. CLEARLY. No ref in the world can miss it. The reason it is almost never called is because it is rarely used and rarely successful.

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The only players keeping him elevated where Saskatchewan Blockers. They fired out low, as are suppose to, he went high and as they raised their pad level it worked as leverage.
Thats not clearly pyramiding to me. And if thats the interpretation of the rule, thats one of the worse rules i've ever heard. I completely understand if he used a launching point, was pushed up, or held up by his own players. But by the opposition? come on.

[CrusaderPi]

Originally Posted by cross16

The only players keeping him elevated where Saskatchewan Blockers. They fired out low, as are suppose to, he went high and as they raised their pad level it worked as leverage.
Thats not clearly pyramiding to me. And if thats the interpretation of the rule, thats one of the worse rules i've ever heard. I completely understand if he used a launching point, was pushed up, or held up by his own players. But by the opposition? come on.

He had an arm between his leg holding him up.

Also, I still don't like the roughing the passer call, but I've grudgingly come to accept it. By the letter of the law it was the correct call. GRUDGINGLY.

[cross16]

Originally Posted by CrusaderPi

He had an arm between his leg holding him up.

Also, I still don't like the roughing the passer call, but I've grudgingly come to accept it. By the letter of the law it was the correct call. GRUDGINGLY.

I was at the game, and have now watched the replay several times. there was no player behind him, and I don't see an arm between his leg.
They also zoomed in on George at the game on that play, and I saw no support at all holding him up.

[FoxMulder91]

Originally Posted by I_H8_Crawford

Stamps didn't win Flip.

Neither did the Riders.

Stamps played terrible, IMO. They are not making the Grey Cup this year.

I hope the RIders make it since the Stamps won't so I can sell my tickets for a nice healthy profit.

Im embarrassed to cheer for the same teams as you.
Last week you were all over Burris..he had a good game this week, yet you dont say anything. You never show any praise and you are sounding like a huge bandwagoner.

[OzSome]

I was at the stand yesterday and I have to say I think most of the people doesn't even know the rules on pyramiding and that procedure on Stamps defense penalty(calling a timeout on OT). That is including myself. When I saw that flag up in the air while the players hasn't even lined up, I was so disgusted and questioning what the heck was that penalty. Of course I didn't know anything about no time out are allowed on OT. After reading the rules, then things make sense. That was absoultely the worst penalty that the Stamps took this season. That was the time when the Riders were gambling the 3rd down. Good call I guess by the ref. Then, the pyramiding penalty I never heard of it either so of course I was pi#$ed off at the referee at that time. I haven't seen the replay yet and according to George, he can leapt that high and no one from Stampeder pushed him up. He said he used some of the Riders players. Like I said I haven't seen any replay on it that prove that it was a legit call. Besides what good it will do if the call was legit or not. Game is over and we cannot replace the outcome of the game.

As for John Chick penalty, the referee has to call that. The rule says when the QB is down, he cannot hit him anymore. All Chick has to do is touch him. I can say that so easily because I am not John Chick. Those guys are so pumped up in the game and maybe he thought Burris is going back up. Still, it was a good call by the ref.

Both teams made some mistakes and I am just glad both teams got a point of it. I would have come home very happy if the Stamps win but this is the CFL, anytghing can happen in a blink of an eye. Yes, Stamps could have win it in the regular time. They were ahead by 8 points with leass than 2 minutes to go. The defense didn't step up as they uaually do and they got burned by Andy Fantuz(again). The Riders made their mistakes early in the game with those penalties in the first half.

It was an entertaining game. I have never been to a OT game live before, let alone 2 OT period. One positive note on the Stamps I think is the 2 TD passes(Cote and Ralph) by Burris in OT period. With those TD passes, I think Burris will get back on track and his confidence will be coming back.

[flip]

Originally Posted by cross16

The only players keeping him elevated where Saskatchewan Blockers. They fired out low, as are suppose to, he went high and as they raised their pad level it worked as leverage.
Thats not clearly pyramiding to me. And if thats the interpretation of the rule, thats one of the worse rules i've ever heard. I completely understand if he used a launching point, was pushed up, or held up by his own players. But by the opposition? come on.

I have watched the replay quite a few times on the PVR.

He clearly and intentionally uses the Riders linemen to get higher. He is practically stepping on our centers shoulders.

It was 100% the right call.

[flip]

Originally Posted by CrusaderPi

He had an arm between his leg holding him up.

Also, I still don't like the roughing the passer call, but I've grudgingly come to accept it. By the letter of the law it was the correct call. GRUDGINGLY.

Just to clarify, it wasn't roughing the passer, it was unnecessary roughness.

See my post above. You cannot hit ANY player that is down and not attempting to advance the ball.

[cross16]

Originally Posted by flip

I have watched the replay quite a few times on the PVR.

He clearly and intentionally uses the Riders linemen to get higher. He is practically stepping on our centers shoulders.

It was 100% the right call.

Thats also what I saw and exactly why i think thats 100% BS.
If the CFL thinks thats the proper use of the rule than they need to seriously re think that rule. They basically punished George becuase he had enough vert to get above the blockers levels so he got held up by the opposition. He did nothing illegal and got up there by his own accord. Being held up by the opposition is IMO a brutal interpretation of that rule becuase George did not intentially use another player as leverage.
your a Riders fan so I don't expect you to agree. But that is IMO way to vague a rule, and in this case a poor intrepreation of it.

[flip]

Originally Posted by cross16

Thats also what I saw and exactly why i think thats 100% BS.
If the CFL thinks thats the proper use of the rule than they need to seriously re think that rule. They basically punished George becuase he had enough vert to get above the blockers levels so he got held up by the opposition. He did nothing illegal and got up there by his own accord. Being held up by the opposition is IMO a brutal interpretation of that rule becuase George did not intentially use another player as leverage.
your a Riders fan so I don't expect you to agree. But that is IMO way to vague a rule, and in this case a poor intrepreation of it.

Ok clearly you need to take the blinders off.

He CLEARLY uses his right knee on our linemen's shoulder and CLEARLY pushes off. That was not an "unassisted" vertical.

Dude seriously, pretty much everyone in the world that has seen that play but you, and that one guy from the Stamps who did it, thinks that was a blatant penalty.

Just admit it was the right call.

He so clearly uses our lineman #59 and his knee so obviously pushes off you'd honestly have to be an idiot or the most biased person ever to not see it.

His jump has to, by definition, be unassisted. He clearly and intentionally pushes off our linemen. It isn't like he just accidentally got lifted up by our guy's because they went down so low.

I've seen it on HD PVR about 10 times and it is just crystal clear. You can actually see his leg flex as he pushes up to gain vertical off our guy's shoulder.

In fact upon another watch his knee is so far on our guys shoulder, you can clearly see that his knee is covering a portion of our players name patch on the back of his jersey. Furthermore, our guy doesn't lift him up on his own, the Stamps player clearly and intentionally pushes himself further up by using our player's shoulder as leverage and at no point is the Stamps player not supported by the Rider player's shoulder.

I guess that might be hard to see with the homer glasses that you are wearing and all the kool-aid you've been drinking.

Really, give it up. You're making the rest of your fanbase look uneducated and probably feel embarrassed.

[OzSome]

After reading the rules again on pyramiding, I think the referee made the right call. I don't have to see the replay because George himself mentioned that the Riders players went down so low so he uses them to jump and block the ball.

Rules says " You cannot use any(meaning teammates or oppositions) player(s) to elevate and try to block the ball"

I am satisfied with those 3 calls by the referees on OT. They made the right calls on every single one of them. A rule is a rule and those guys were just following the rules.

[I_H8_Crawford]

Originally Posted by FoxMulder91

Im embarrassed to cheer for the same teams as you.
Last week you were all over Burris..he had a good game this week, yet you dont say anything. You never show any praise and you are sounding like a huge bandwagoner.

IMO Burris didn't play well this week either.

He overthrew a wide open Bryant that would have been a sure TD, and without the gift of a call from teh refs in OT he takes two losses and the Stamps don't even come away with a FG.

The O stalled throughout the 2nd half, and he was once again trying to force things into coverage, or just plain locking onto one receiver and ignoring everything else on the field.

He threw a brutal pick, and was inaccurate all game.

The Stamps are not a good team this year, they don't have "it" I think they believe all of their press clippings from teh start of the year, and feel they don't need to work for anything this year.

You can even hear it in their interviews, the way they were writing off their ass-kicking by the Als, saying it doesn't matter, they are going to make the playoffs and turn it on then, blah blah blah.

This team is incapable of "turning it on" - if they could just turn it on, doing so against Sask with the West division in the balance would have been a good time, but once again the O blows easy plays due to lack of concentration and execution, and the D gives up HUGE yardage to a crap QB like Duran Durant.

[BlackAce]

If the Stamps could actually tackle someone I don't think it is nearly as close as it was... WTF! Tackle someone! It's your job! (well, besides working days at Rona )

[kevman]

Sat in the end zone seats for the first time..neat perspective on the game! Too bad it was like mini Taylor Fields...

On that note, are Riders fan even football fans or just looking for an excuse to party? Ok, that was somewhat unfair cause I sat beside a group that were very knowledgeable and very into the game. The others however... There was a group in front of us that missed the entire OT! They were too busy skipping around, cheering and waiving wheat in the air while posing for pictures... I also liked the Riders cheers when the Riders were on offense. Not to be out done by the Stamps fans, the Riders fans always tried to out cheer us when the Stamps had their D out...I appreciate the help guys My favourite part, the real Riders fans telling their own fans to stop being idiots.

[Cowboy89]

Tie game, lots of in-game drama, and less ######baggery from Riders fans than usual (possibly because it wasn't a long weekend and most of the green clad fans in attendance actually live in Calgary and have to peacefully co-exist with red wearing Stamps fans on every other day of the year). No real complaints from me, a Saturday morning/afternoon well spent. As for the Stamps, good on them for pulling a tie out of the fire they started by giving up the equalizing touchdown late in the game.

As for the usual suspects (or should I say suspect) in this thread that chastise the Stamps because they can't be a juggernaut of domination game-in, game-out, year-in, year-out: It's the CFL, we all know the division will go to the wire until the last game of the season and that the team that does prevail in the division race, will probably end up losing the West Final anyway. All a fan can do is grab a beer and enjoy some late-season football and hope their favorite team can prevail in the end. Mental health is greatly enhanced if you don't live and die by every play.