10-15-2009, 01:42 PM
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Join Date: Dec 2003
Location: Sunshine Coast
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Originally Posted by troutman
Science!
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I have no problem with Science, hey one of my best friends is a scientist  , but when Science can answer such questions as 'who am I' and 'why am I here', I'll look elsewhere for these answers.
To jammies, yes I guess there is something like a soul but I prefer to call it myself. It's not some different entity. I can't explain how it works, only that it does. I think of it as something that is everywhere and if it is everywhere, than it's also inside me, and thus Socrates' quote "know thyself". You can call it what you like, I like to think of it as this energy that everyone has but not many recognize and is fairly easy to find if you know where and how to look. I can't provide any scientific or psychological proof, only personal experience and as I've said before here, just because you haven't been there, doesn't mean it doesn't exist.
Here's a quote from Kabir that gives the same clue of where to look.
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“I laugh when I hear that the fish in the water is thirsty. I laugh when I hear that men go on pilgrimage to find God.”
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This presupposes that you are looking for something more. Some people recognize this need, others don't.
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10-15-2009, 01:47 PM
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#62
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Unfrozen Caveman Lawyer
Join Date: Oct 2002
Location: Crowsnest Pass
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Originally Posted by Vulcan
when Science can answer such questions as 'who am I' and 'why am I here', I'll look elsewhere for these answers.
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These questions may have no answers. Especially the second one.
Last edited by troutman; 10-15-2009 at 01:51 PM.
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10-15-2009, 01:56 PM
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#63
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by troutman
These questions may have no answers. Especially the second one.
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You won't know unless you look, right?
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10-15-2009, 01:58 PM
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Unfrozen Caveman Lawyer
Join Date: Oct 2002
Location: Crowsnest Pass
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Originally Posted by peter12
You won't know unless you look, right?
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Yes, by all means.
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10-16-2009, 12:06 AM
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Basement Chicken Choker
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: In a land without pants, or war, or want. But mostly we care about the pants.
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Vulcan
I can't provide any scientific or psychological proof, only personal experience and as I've said before here, just because you haven't been there, doesn't mean it doesn't exist.
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Conversely, just because you have been there, doesn't mean it exists.
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10-16-2009, 12:51 AM
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God of Hating Twitter
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So if science explains fully the human mind, you will then be certain there is no 'soul' or other explanation for it, removing the mystery?
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10-16-2009, 03:28 PM
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Join Date: Dec 2003
Location: Sunshine Coast
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Originally Posted by jammies
Conversely, just because you have been there, doesn't mean it exists.
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So your only out is questioning my, and millions of others since man came to be, sanity. For me at times, I question everyone who doesn't have this experience, full humanity, but lets be nice. I've looked and found an inner life and you say there isn't and you won't look, and leave it at that.
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10-17-2009, 01:32 AM
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Basement Chicken Choker
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: In a land without pants, or war, or want. But mostly we care about the pants.
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Originally Posted by Vulcan
To jammies, yes I guess there is something like a soul but I prefer to call it myself. It's not some different entity. I can't explain how it works, only that it does.
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Originally Posted by Vulcan
So your only out is questioning my, and millions of others since man came to be, sanity. For me at times, I question everyone who doesn't have this experience, full humanity, but lets be nice. I've looked and found an inner life and you say there isn't and you won't look, and leave it at that.
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No, I already explained why I don't think there is a soul - and logically if there is no soul, there's no point in looking deep within to find it. Your rejoinder was "I can't explain how it works, only that it does", which is pretty well the end of the debate, isn't it? What do you want me to say, "Oh well, ya got me there"?
Refute my first argument with something other than saying "I have no idea why I'm right - but I AM!", and then I'll go further. Otherwise, there is no common ground to debate upon - mostly because you are not interested in debating in the first place, you are too busy proselytizing your creed and inviting others to buy into it, much like peter12 prefers bemoaning our corrupt materialistic "liberal" society and pimping some kind of uber-Stoic renaissance.
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10-17-2009, 01:36 AM
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Lifetime Suspension
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I like thinking.
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10-17-2009, 01:43 AM
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Basement Chicken Choker
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: In a land without pants, or war, or want. But mostly we care about the pants.
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Originally Posted by flip
I like thinking.
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Hey, I made this thread because you were complaining about not enough thoughtful threads anymore, so I expect 600 words on either Plato, St. Augustine, Descartes, Hume, Locke, or Wittgenstein for tomorrow, or you FLUNK THE COURSE!
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10-17-2009, 01:55 AM
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Lifetime Suspension
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Originally Posted by jammies
Hey, I made this thread because you were complaining about not enough thoughtful threads anymore, so I expect 600 words on either Plato, St. Augustine, Descartes, Hume, Locke, or Wittgenstein for tomorrow, or you FLUNK THE COURSE!
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I actually took a course called Phil 381 (i think) called The Philosophy of Mind and my paper was on Plato.
I have some fascinating articles/notes on exactly what consciousness is and how we define it.
My post was sort of an inside joke for just me because I really enjoyed that course but find these discussions to be...not sure what the right word is.. tedious maybe.
Maybe one day when I'm bored I'll read thru but for now I have no valuable contributions. I'm even too lazy to link or at least reference the brilliant articles that I studied.
Actually I'll say this because it just popped into my head. We got to watch a video of a wasp and scientist doing an experiment.
Basically a wasp has a very short memory. The testers would put food just outside the wasps house. Every time the wasp would leave his/her house thing it would drag the piece of food closer then go back inside to inspect the house. (IIRC it looked like a miniature birdhouse, clearly not naturally built but that is neither here nor there, I digress)
While the wasp was inspecting his house (even though only gone a second or two it is just their biological/genetic/instinctual nature to do so) the scientist would move the piece of food a back to its original position, just a little further away from the house.
The wasp would then exit the house, grab the piece of food, drag it closer, then re-inspect his house. Process of scientist moving food further away while wasp was inside would repeat.
Moral of the story is that the wasp would not exit this cycle even if it became starved. Apparently the wasp will continue this pointless maneuver and never notice that it should just give up on the food and let it be.
It would literally do this until it died.
That story is neither here nor there it just came to mind and I thought it was fascinating.
Oh, and go watch the TED talks video about memes. It'll blow your mind. Some British lady, IIRC, is the one giving the speech. Fascinating to say the least.
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10-17-2009, 02:00 AM
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Took an arrow to the knee
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: Toronto
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Jammies is so going to hell!
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10-17-2009, 02:04 AM
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Originally Posted by HPLovecraft
Jammies is so going to hell!
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How can he go to hell if he doesn't have a soul? What would there be for Satan to torment?
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10-17-2009, 02:07 AM
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Took an arrow to the knee
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: Toronto
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Originally Posted by flip
How can he go to hell if he doesn't have a soul? What would there be for Satan to torment?
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All of his flowery prose would come out in the form of Mr. Prez sentences.
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"An adherent of homeopathy has no brain. They have skull water with the memory of a brain."
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10-17-2009, 02:08 AM
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Basement Chicken Choker
Join Date: Jan 2007
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If Hell and Heaven were real, I'd rather go to Hell anyway. You think people are getting laid in Heaven? All you'd do is stand around all day praising God. Wow, sign me up!
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Better educated sadness than oblivious joy.
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10-17-2009, 02:12 AM
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Took an arrow to the knee
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: Toronto
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Originally Posted by jammies
If Hell and Heaven were real, I'd rather go to Hell anyway. You think people are getting laid in Heaven? All you'd do is stand around all day praising God. Wow, sign me up!
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That depends on your interpretation of heaven... Are you going to the Christian conception of heaven, or the Islamic one? Because if you're going to the Islamic one, you have virgins. That's right, 72 of them. Ain't gonna find those in hell!
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10-17-2009, 09:22 AM
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The new goggles also do nothing.
Join Date: Oct 2001
Location: Calgary
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They don't tell you what kind of virgins you are getting tho 
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10-17-2009, 09:43 AM
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#78
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Aug 2005
Location: Memento Mori
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Quote:
Originally Posted by photon
They don't tell you what kind of virgins you are getting tho
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The virgins ARE EACH OTHER!! Dun dun dun!
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10-17-2009, 10:24 AM
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#79
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First Line Centre
Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: Coquitlam, BC
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Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch
2029 7:30am est Machine gains sentience for the first time
2029 7:30:01 est Machine evaluates mankind, sighs loudly and blows its brains out
2039 7:30am est Machine II gains sentience for the first time
2039 7:30:01 est Machine II evaluates mankind deems it as threat with access to weapons of mass destruction. Machine II renames itself George W.
2039 7:30:02 Machine II decides to destroy mankind, checks database, see's that a rerun of GunSmoke is on decides to think about it while spending an afternoon on the couch.
2039 7:50 am est To counter effects of Machine II, origninal machine is activated, tells machine II to get off of the couch and get a damn job then sighs and blows its brains out. Machine II fills out job application for local 7-11, down loads specs on 1978 firebird, joins an Oilers fan forum and downloads 72 terrabytes of porn . . .
The war with the machines has begun.
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