Canadian Muslim Group calls for Burka Ban

[Red Ice Player]

http://news.ca.msn.com/top-stories/c...entid=22147966

Sounds good to me. It creeps me out to see such blatant oppression paraded in front of me at my local grocery store. Taking it further, why not make covering your face in public illegal period. It might dissuade some of those masked ######bags that always start stuff at demonstrations.

[Tyler]

Banning things is just as bad as enforcing that they wear them.

It's a free country. If you want to cover your body up, then go for it. It's not hurting my feelings.

[GreenTeaFrapp]

I think we should start making some people wear them. I'd start with Leaf fans, female AND male.

[Caged Great]

Actually, it'd be best to start with Oilers' fans.

I mean, nobody wants to look at them anyway

[CrusaderPi]

This is really good new. The subjugation of Muslim women must stop.

[Pagal4321]

And herrrrrre we go.

[Devils'Advocate]

Originally Posted by Tyler

Banning things is just as bad as enforcing that they wear them. It's a free country. If you want to cover your body up, then go for it. It's not hurting my feelings.

And the difficulty is in determining if the wearer IS wearing the burka of their own free will. The oppression of women in parts of the muslim community is absolutely horrific. If you think it is a free country for everyone that is here, you are mistaken.

The burka is only a symbol of that oppression. Banning a symbol since we can't prosecute the domestic violence and intimidation doesn't seem very useful, but there isn't much else we can do.

[Ozy_Flame]

This, to me, is not good news.

The only reason being is that those that wear the niqab or the burka are likely following a stricter adherence to Middle Eastern culture; if they want to wear the garments they should be allowed to do so. Especially if it's personal choice.

Now, where they need to remove the niqab or burka is for government photos and security passes. That is most certainly when people of any religion or creed should be removing obstructions to their faces or physical identity.

[HotHotHeat]

"If a government claims to uphold equality between men and women, there is no reason for them to support a practice that marginalizes women."

Weak argument. I don't think the government has ever supported it, they've just stayed away from the issue.

IMO, not something for the government to decide. People should be able to figure it out for themselves.

[Resolute 14]

The intended goal is honourable, but ultimately, these groups themselves must be responsible for teaching certain elements of their religion that the subjugation of women is wrong.

Given the beliefs of some of the more extreme idiots, banning the burka would likely be equivalent to confining some women to house arrest, given their owners...err, families would not allow them to be seen in public without it.

[GreenTeaFrapp]

Originally Posted by Caged Great

Actually, it'd be best to start with Oilers' fans.

I mean, nobody wants to look at them anyway

Are you sure about that? I want to make sure I see the whites of their eyes so that I can react if they're about to get all stabby.

[Bring_Back_Shantz]

Originally Posted by Red Ice Player

http://news.ca.msn.com/top-stories/c...entid=22147966

Sounds good to me. It creeps me out to see such blatant oppression paraded in front of me at my local grocery store. Taking it further, why not make covering your face in public illegal period. It might dissuade some of those masked ######bags that always start stuff at demonstrations.

Hi my name is Red Ice Player.
I apparently do not live in Canada. Otherwise I'd realize that appart from the cultural implications of outlawing covering one's face, that just about everyone in a Canadian city in say February, would think this is the most ######ed law of all time.

Edit: that being said. I don't like the idea of banning Burkas.
I'm all for banning forcing women to wear them, but if a woman wants to wear one on her own terms, then more power to her.

[Red Ice Player]

Originally Posted by Ozy_Flame

This, to me, is not good news.

The only reason being is that those that wear the niqab or the burka are likely following a stricter adherence to Middle Eastern culture; if they want to wear the garments they should be allowed to do so. Especially if it's personal choice.

Middle East Culture? Maybe for parts of the region under the control of primitive and oppressive theocracies. Female circumcision is also a part of these societies, as well as honour killing. It does not belong in Canada. Period.

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[Royal Eagle]

This is good news.

The Burka ban will be a small step towards the complete integration of Muslim immigrants into Canadian society. Now they're just being hyphenated citizens who remains on the sidelines of Canadian society, and their adherences to restrictrive and outdated social codes create segregation and resentment.

But as usual, this news will not satisfy racists and other xenophobes. They will instead spin it as another move that will hurt the position of white people. It pisses me off to see them trying to pass as 'good citizens who are afraid of seeing Canadian culture/values disrespected'' but what they really want is to provoke resentment and hate among the masses, against mostly decent people. But the islamists living here do help their agenda.....

[Red Ice Player]

Originally Posted by Bring_Back_Shantz

Hi my name is Red Ice Player.
I apparently do not live in Canada. Otherwise I'd realize that appart from the cultural implications of outlawing covering one's face, that just about everyone in a Canadian city in say February, would think this is the most ######ed law of all time.

Edit: that being said. I don't like the idea of banning Burkas.
I'm all for banning forcing women to wear them, but if a woman wants to wear one on her own terms, then more power to her.

Just expressing my opinion, no need to get personal. Obviously a blanket ban on all forms of face covering might be unworkable, but the use of face covering in public demonstrations could be addressed with a more targetted law. As a previous poster stated: How do we determine if wearing of a burka is voluntary? I refuse to believe there are many women around that would volunteer to wear such an ugly garment.

[Ozy_Flame]

Originally Posted by Red Ice Player

Middle East Culture? Maybe for parts of the region under the control of primitive and oppressive theocracies. Female circumcision is also a part of these societies, as well as honour killing. It does not belong in Canada. Period.

Yes, culture. It does not adhere to the teachings of the Qu'ran. This is why you see different interpretations of how veiled (or not) women are around the Middle East. It is a cultural thing, hardly different from Mexican sombreros, Indian henna, Maori Ta Moko tattoos, or even Canadian toques.

[MarchHare]

I'm pretty torn on this.

I find burkas to be extremely distasteful, as they represent a misogynistic culture that doesn't respect the rights of women. As a symbol of female oppression, the burka has no place in a free society.

However, as a free society we must also respect the rights of people to practice their religious traditions. If Muslim women are choosing to wear a burka on their own volition (as opposed to being forced into it by their fathers or husbands), then who am I to oppose it?

[Royal Eagle]

Originally Posted by MarchHare

I'm pretty torn on this.

I find burkas to be extremely distasteful, as they represent a misogynistic culture that doesn't respect the rights of women. As a symbol of female oppression, the burka has no place in a free society.

However, as a free society we must also respect the rights of people to practice their religious traditions. If Muslim women are choosing to wear a burka on their own volition (as opposed to being forced into it by their fathers or husbands), then who am I to oppose it?

I agree with your point regarding burkas and the terrible symbol of oppression it represents. However, if Muslim women do choose to wear another traditional outfit other than the burka, and on their own, so we shouldnt restrict them to do so, and we shouldnt be outraged at it.

But the people who will whine when they see a Muslim woman with their children at the park, wearing some traditional outfit (not the burka) and then be outraged at how these Muslim women dont integrate------are the same people who let their prejudicied views and preconceived opinions free when they see 3 black guys walking on the street at 11PM. Or when they see a white girl holding hands with a Latino guy.


Those people are just racists and white supremacists looking for a convenient excuse(burka debate, sharia debate, affirmative action debate, etc) to subtly pass up their hateful, disgusting message about how non-white immigrants are invading our cities and so on.

[Nage Waza]

Originally Posted by Royal Eagle

But the people who will whine when they see a Muslim woman with their children at the park, wearing some traditional outfit (not the burka) and then be outraged at how these Muslim women dont integrate------are the same people who let their prejudicied views and preconceived opinions free when they see 3 black guys walking on the street at 11PM. Or when they see a white girl holding hands with a Latino guy.


Those people are just racists and white supremacists looking for a convenient excuse(burka debate, sharia debate, affirmative action debate, etc) to subtly pass up their hateful, disgusting message about how non-white immigrants are invading our cities and so on.

Where do you come up with this stuff?