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jammies · 09-29-2009, 01:32 PM

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Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

To me there's a big difference between breaking a morality law in Iran and breaking a actual drug related law in the States.

Drug laws are morality laws.

CaptainCrunch · 09-29-2009, 01:34 PM

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Originally Posted by jammies

Drug laws are morality laws.

I don't buy that, drug laws and especially dealer and distribution laws are enforced because of the organized crime element thats behind it.

Sliver · 09-29-2009, 01:39 PM

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Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

I don't buy that, drug laws and especially dealer and distribution laws are enforced because of the organized crime element thats behind it.

Yeah but organized crime is behind drugs because drugs are illegal. If they weren't illegal, you'd probably just go to SuperStore to buy your weed.

3 Justin 3 · 09-29-2009, 01:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Weiser Wonder

It's different person to person. Just like alcohol some people can handle it and some can't.

Yeah, but when people can't handle weed they don't kill people (drunk drivers) I have been with people who between the two of them smoked 1/2 a joint and were blitzed, all they did was laugh at each for 15 minutes. I smoked 2 and just chillaxed.

The problem with the USA and to a degree Canada is we are so damn conservative. Both nations need to open their eyes.

Decriminalizing weed would do more good than harm.

RougeUnderoos · 09-29-2009, 01:55 PM

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Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

To me there's a big difference between breaking a morality law in Iran and breaking a actual drug related law in the States.

Exactly. A lot of people are justifying this by saying "he broke their law, he has to take their punishment". What they really mean is "he broke their law, and I like them, so he has to take their punishment".

And yeah, the guy is a moron. My first reaction was "man, what an idiot -- you don't mess with Yank drug laws".

But that doesn't mean those drug laws aren't plain old dumb, and that we should abide by them, and send a Canadian down there to go to jail for selling a packet of seeds.

Agamemnon · 09-29-2009, 02:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Weiser Wonder

It's different person to person. Just like alcohol some people can handle it and some can't.

It's certainly not 'just like alcohol'. Alcohol kills something like 15,000 of North Americans a year due to drunk driving alone. God knows how many more due to health reasons.

No one can handle drinking and driving.

Agamemnon · 09-29-2009, 02:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Sliver

Yeah but organized crime is behind drugs because drugs are illegal. If they weren't illegal, you'd probably just go to SuperStore to buy your weed.

Bingo... not to mention the taxes you'd be paying when purchasing it would go right into the government's pockets.

1. Government legalizes marijuana
2. Government stops spending money enforcing marijuana laws
3. Government imposes taxes on the sale of marijuana
4. Profit!

Thor · 09-29-2009, 02:11 PM

I heard recently that in LA there are now more medical marijuana shops than Starbucks.

The Special One · 09-29-2009, 02:12 PM

The guy is a glorified drug dealer, I'm glad the USA were willing to take him off our hands.

MelBridgeman · 09-29-2009, 02:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Sliver

Yeah but organized crime is behind drugs because drugs are illegal. If they weren't illegal, you'd probably just go to SuperStore to buy your weed.

Nah, it's about the money too

jammies · 09-29-2009, 02:22 PM

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Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

I don't buy that, drug laws and especially dealer and distribution laws are enforced because of the organized crime element thats behind it.

I'll bet that in Iran, you obtain pornography and liquor via organized crime. Should we assist the Iranians in fighting organized crime by sending them any pornographers or brewers that they deem necessary?

I don't know enough about this case, or about extradition laws and procedures, to know if this is a case of the US government throwing its weight around to get its way. I do know, however, that the lessons that should have been learned by the utter failure of Prohibition have been ignored, and that criminalizing the possession and sale of cannabis and its related products is a stupid, regressive policy that not only does considerable harm, but is not supported by the majority of the citizens of either Canada or the US and thus is another example of the government deciding what is best for the population against their wishes - hardly the democratic ideal.

MelBridgeman · 09-29-2009, 02:30 PM

It is a slippery slope here...If your at home smoking a joint and relaxing well i see nothing wrong with that...problem is every time i go to a drinking establishment the kids are drinking and going out to smoke joints....what is wrong with that? smoking a joint heightens your drunkness big time...you can have a couple beers, smoke a joint and you are wasted...you wanna get drunk for cheap at a bar...drink a couple of beers and smoke some joints and you are good to go..the huge cost of drink prices as has increased the amount of weed smokers at public establishments

I have no problems with the laws, most people with a bag a weed are harmless and never got a look from the cops...go after the big guys and Emery is one of those big guys..he has made millions...and is too much of a freaking attention whore to keep his face out of the public spotlight...

yads · 09-29-2009, 02:33 PM

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Originally Posted by RougeUnderoos

I understand that extradition treaties work both ways, but politically, it wouldn't fly. They wouldn't do it. The guy wouldn't end up in prison in Canada and we all know it.

The main problem I have with this case is that we are basically bending over because we don't want to piss them off. It's not about justice. We are kowtowing to them. It's like sending a guy to jail for shipping a bottle of whiskey over the border, but here we are going along with it. We're following their stupid law just to keep up appearances.

Well the gun smuggler likely wouldn't be extradited, you're right. Mainly because he would be breaking US law. So there would be no need to extradite him since he would already be being punished by the US justice system.

In this case Emery is doing something that is not illegal in Canada (selling seeds to Canadians) and doing something that is illegal in the US (selling seeds to Americans).

I think you'd need to come up with an example where the US citizen would not be breaking US laws, but would be breaking Canadian laws. In which case, I don't see why the US wouldn't extradite him.

Edit: Here are 2 recent examples of people being extradited from the US to Canada.
http://www.thespec.com/News/Local/article/636575
http://www.canada.com/vancouversun/n...1759a0&k=68224

Sliver · 09-29-2009, 02:43 PM

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Originally Posted by MelBridgeman

It is a slippery slope here...If your at home smoking a joint and relaxing well i see nothing wrong with that...problem is every time i go to a drinking establishment the kids are drinking and going out to smoke joints....what is wrong with that? smoking a joint heightens your drunkness big time...you can have a couple beers, smoke a joint and you are wasted...you wanna get drunk for cheap at a bar...drink a couple of beers and smoke some joints and you are good to go..the huge cost of drink prices as has increased the amount of weed smokers at public establishments

I have no problems with the laws, most people with a bag a weed are harmless and never got a look from the cops...go after the big guys and Emery is one of those big guys..he has made millions...and is too much of a freaking attention whore to keep his face out of the public spotlight...

lol I don't know about this. Doesn't sound like you're talking from experience at all here and your perception of how this works is not accurate.

MelBridgeman · 09-29-2009, 02:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Sliver

lol I don't know about this. Doesn't sound like you're talking from experience at all here and your perception of how this works is not accurate.

I am talking from experience, thank you. If it's not accurate then why don't you fill us in? LOL

WesternCanadaKing · 09-29-2009, 02:48 PM

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Originally Posted by MelBridgeman

Nah, it's about the money too

Right, there's money to be made because its illegal...

RougeUnderoos · 09-29-2009, 02:49 PM

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Originally Posted by MelBridgeman

I have no problems with the laws, most people with a bag a weed are harmless and never got a look from the cops...go after the big guys and Emery is one of those big guys..he has made millions...and is too much of a freaking attention whore to keep his face out of the public spotlight...

This is a common attitude, but it never made sense to me. It's basically saying "yeah, weed ain't that bad, and we shouldn't be punishing people who just like to smoke a joint, but the people that sell it -- we should hunt them down and lock them up".

If what they are selling ultimately isn't all that bad, why spend all this time and effort stopping people from selling it?

And a lot of attention is being paid to the fact that this guy 'made millions'. Well, so what? What are we, communists? He's pretty stupid for making noise about all that money, but I don't really begrudge him for it. He was breaking a law that shouldn't exist, and selling a product most of us don't have an objection to.

Sliver · 09-29-2009, 02:49 PM

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Originally Posted by MelBridgeman

It is a slippery slope here...If your at home smoking a joint and relaxing well i see nothing wrong with that...problem is every time i go to a drinking establishment the kids are drinking and going out to smoke joints....what is wrong with that? smoking a joint heightens your drunkness big time...you can have a couple beers, smoke a joint and you are wasted...you wanna get drunk for cheap at a bar...drink a couple of beers and smoke some joints and you are good to go..the huge cost of drink prices as has increased the amount of weed smokers at public establishments

I have no problems with the laws, most people with a bag a weed are harmless and never got a look from the cops...go after the big guys and Emery is one of those big guys..he has made millions...and is too much of a freaking attention whore to keep his face out of the public spotlight...

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Originally Posted by Sliver

lol I don't know about this. Doesn't sound like you're talking from experience at all here and your perception of how this works is not accurate.

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Originally Posted by MelBridgeman

I am talking from experience, thank you. If it's not accurate then why don't you fill us in? LOL

Smoking a joint and having a couple of beers doesn't get you drunker. Weed + booze is its own unique buzz.

I also think the high price of drinks is just a function of bar owners pricing to whatever point the market will bear. If people will pay $6.50 for a drink, that's what bar owners will charge. It has nothing to do with the small proportion of people that sneak outside to smoke a joint.

simmer2 · 09-29-2009, 02:50 PM

While I am more pro-legalization of marijuana than against it, this guy knew what he was getting himself into selling seeds to customers in the States. Yes, I think the Americans go a little overboard with their marijuana enforcement but the fact is this guy broke the law and knew he was breaking the law.

MelBridgeman · 09-29-2009, 02:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Sliver

Smoking a joint and having a couple of beers doesn't get you drunker. Weed + booze is its own unique buzz.

I also think the high price of drinks is just a function of bar owners pricing to whatever point the market will bear. If people will pay $6.50 for a drink, that's what bar owners will charge. It has nothing to do with the small proportion of people that sneak outside to smoke a joint.

Well that is your opinion, I am sure your opinion of weed is it's harmless..so i can see why you doubt this, either way...term don't matter, after a couple of beers and joint, i am not in a condition to operate a vechicle etc...Also i have been told by many many many many people the reason why they are bringin their weed to the bar is to enhance the the buzz..and keeps them from spending tons of money on expensive drinks, even though yes some places price drinks to weed the kids etc....

But you can say whatever you want...this is happening..people are doing it, for all the reasons I listed....