Tactfully talking about the pro- life vs. pro- choice groups at the uni

[DOK]

Originally Posted by wooohooo

I don't think there's anything wrong with what they're doing. Unless they're forcing people to listen to what they say.

This is a key point I think. Their posters are hugely graphic, photos you could only imagine. One of the points is that I can't unsee what I've already seen. Having those posters there waving in front of me is, in a way, forcing me to listen to their view.

I agree, freedom to demonstrate peacefully, but at the same time when that peaceful demonstration incites violence from the opposition, isn't that against the rules?

[You Need a Thneed]

Respectful dialog will always be more effective then name calling and posters that shock.

[Superfraggle]

Originally Posted by Cowboy89

My understanding of free speech is that there is no line!

You are mistaken. There is a line. Racial slurs, for example, are over the line. Verbal abuse is over the line.

I don't think anyone here is disputing their right to spread their message and protest. Their methods, however, I find to be juvenile and repulsive. Which wouldn't matter too much, except that, when I was a student, they would interfere with my walk to class. Grotesque pictures and accosting passersby is not a mature or effective method of spreading a message, in my opinion. They are getting noticed, but for all the wrong reasons, and are disrespecting me and everyone like me who just want to go to class.

Free speech is an excellent right to have, and I'm glad Canada endorses it. It is up to the people to exercise it appropriately.

[ResAlien]

Crud. I tried to stay out of this. Pro Choice IS pro life. You know why? Because you have THE CHOICE as a person. It isn't black and white. Pro Life is bible thumper crap.

I'm drinking and know I'll get slammed for this, but eff it.

[Superfraggle]

Originally Posted by ResAlien

Crud. I tried to stay out of this. Pro Choice IS pro life. You know why? Because you have THE CHOICE as a person. It isn't black and white. Pro Life is bible thumper crap.

I'm drinking and know I'll get slammed for this, but eff it.

I think the whole point is that Pro-Life wants to eliminate that choice. Personally, I think they are abusing one right (freedom of speech) to try to eliminate another. Makes it hard to take seriously for me when people start arguing they should be able to say and show whatever they want due to "free speech"

[evilcougar]

Originally Posted by ResAlien

Crud. I tried to stay out of this. Pro Choice IS pro life. You know why? Because you have THE CHOICE as a person. It isn't black and white. Pro Life is bible thumper crap.

I'm drinking and know I'll get slammed for this, but eff it.

God i hate these discussions...pro choice. Anyone who tries to sway either side needs a swift punch to the face. If you are strictly for or against, fine. If you are pro CHOICE fine. Just let it be. This will not ever be an issue to which a universal solution is found.

Let it go. And for the record, as the OP said, your posters? I can't unsee those. You still didn't change my mind. pro CHOICE.

[Azure]

There is nothing wrong with trying to convince the other side. Afterall, the civil debates(lol)...we have had her on CP convinced me that I should only be pro-life when I talk about my own situation. I am pro-choice everywhere else because the world is never as black and white as either side will make it out to be.

[flylock shox]

Originally Posted by evilcougar

God i hate these discussions...pro choice. Anyone who tries to sway either side needs a swift punch to the face. If you are strictly for or against, fine. If you are pro CHOICE fine. Just let it be. This will not ever be an issue to which a universal solution is found.

Let it go. And for the record, as the OP said, your posters? I can't unsee those. You still didn't change my mind. pro CHOICE.

I dunno.

If you're strictly for abortions, I have concerns.

[Superfraggle]

Originally Posted by flylock shox

I dunno.

If you're strictly for abortions, I have concerns.

It would solve a whole lot of problems. No more overpopulation, the environment might have a fighting chance in the next century. I've always considered myself pro-choice, but this pro-...uh...death stance seems to be pretty reasonable.

[wooohooo]

Originally Posted by DOK

This is a key point I think. Their posters are hugely graphic, photos you could only imagine. One of the points is that I can't unsee what I've already seen. Having those posters there waving in front of me is, in a way, forcing me to listen to their view.

I agree, freedom to demonstrate peacefully, but at the same time when that peaceful demonstration incites violence from the opposition, isn't that against the rules?

Okay, that's another thing. I haven't seen any of these posters.

In that case, I might personally be against the protest, but I don't think it's against the law to have the protest.

[Vedder]

I didn't walk by this today, but did anyone else find it strange that they had their kids there yesterday? Hottest day of the summer and these young kids were inside the barricade lying on the grass under the posters.

[wooohooo]

Originally Posted by Superfraggle

It would solve a whole lot of problems. No more overpopulation, the environment might have a fighting chance in the next century. I've always considered myself pro-choice, but this pro-...uh...death stance seems to be pretty reasonable.

Then the definition of when a baby is to be comes into play. We are given the ability to have babies. But we are not given the right to kill them... and rightfully so.

Life is about consequences, and if you choose to not wear a rubber or be on birth control, well that's your fault. However, if the baby has a high chance of being mentally unfit for society, or deformed, I think that deserves a second look.

[Superfraggle]

Originally Posted by wooohooo

Then the definition of when a baby is to be comes into play. We are given the ability to have babies. But we are not given the right to kill them... and rightfully so.

Life is about consequences, and if you choose to not wear a rubber or be on birth control, well that's your fault. However, if the baby has a high chance of being mentally unfit for society, or deformed, I think that deserves a second look.

Not much to say. You're fully entitled to your opinion. Just thought it curious you chose that particular post to quote. In case anyone's confused, I was joking. I'm not actually advocating killing all babies. Even if it would solve a lot of problems. Most problems. In fact, almost all the big "problems" that seem to come up would pretty much be solved or cease to be a problem within about a century of us ceasing to successfully procreate.

[V]

Originally Posted by DOK

This is a key point I think. Their posters are hugely graphic, photos you could only imagine. One of the points is that I can't unsee what I've already seen. Having those posters there waving in front of me is, in a way, forcing me to listen to their view.

I agree, freedom to demonstrate peacefully, but at the same time when that peaceful demonstration incites violence from the opposition, isn't that against the rules?

It's my opinion that if a peaceful demonstration incited violence from the opposition it would say more about the opposition than the demonstrators.

[moon]

Originally Posted by V

It's my opinion that if a peaceful demonstration incited violence from the opposition it would say more about the opposition than the demonstrators.

Even if the "peaceful" demonstration was designed to get that exact response from the opposition?

[WesternCanadaKing]

I'm really glad these people got moved, just seeing their ridiculous signs for one day was more than enough. I don't need to see pictures of dead fetuses, plus I think its very wrong to compare abortion to the Holocaust or Rwanda. If they protested a little more respectively I would have no problem with having them around. But they don't, so I signed the petition to have them kept from the campus.

[flip]

Originally Posted by WesternCanadaKing

I'm really glad these people got moved, just seeing their ridiculous signs for one day was more than enough. I don't need to see pictures of dead fetuses, plus I think its very wrong to compare abortion to the Holocaust or Rwanda. If they protested a little more respectively I would have no problem with having them around. But they don't, so I signed the petition to have them kept from the campus.

Luckily no one takes them seriously. Of the 5000 or so people that walk by about 20 stop and 19 of those tell them that they are stupid.

Every single person I've talked to has laughed at the fact that these pro-life people have no idea what genocide means. Actually that isn't entirely true. They actually have the CORRECT definition of genocide on their pamphlet and still choose to misrepresent the term genocide.

[Hemi-Cuda]

considering the huge overpopulation in many parts of the world, i just don't get the pro-life argument. the answer to global warming, the decline of natural resources, and animal extinction certainly isn't to make more humans

[Azure]

Originally Posted by Hemi-Cuda

considering the huge overpopulation in many parts of the world, i just don't get the pro-life argument. the answer to global warming, the decline of natural resources, and animal extinction certainly isn't to make more humans

Nor is it to abort more babies.

[GreenLantern]

PRO CHOICE!

I choose Fluery!

wait.. what..?