I read somewhere that Kirk Cameron was an atheist who suddenly started believing in god in his late teens. Once he started hanging around Ray Comfort he lost all sense of reality.
I'll at least give him credit for being genuine. I don't think he's trying to con anyone out of money. You see him in that damn banana video and he's got that goofy grin on his face. He clearly believes this stuff.
I don't know about his talking monkey though. Ray Comfort, I think he's a crook. You simply can't be that stupid. It's an act. It has to be. He knew North Americans were dumb and he could get more dough out of us, so he left Australia and hooked up with a celebrity. I'm sure he's making a fine living now.
I'll at least give him credit for being genuine. I don't think he's trying to con anyone out of money. You see him in that damn banana video and he's got that goofy grin on his face. He clearly believes this stuff.
I don't know about his talking monkey though. Ray Comfort, I think he's a crook. You simply can't be that stupid. It's an act. It has to be. He knew North Americans were dumb and he could get more dough out of us, so he left Australia and hooked up with a celebrity. I'm sure he's making a fine living now.
Don't forget Ken Ham, the other crazy Australian and his creation museum:
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You've read plenty of religious criticism, but have you read any religious philosophy? Have you read religion?
Yeah and it makes me weep to think of all that energy spent on folderol and flapdoodle. Imagine if Saul of Tarsus would have been an engineer - he could have built a great aqueduct to water the deserts! Or if Augustine had invented the horsecollar and revolutionized agriculture 600 years early! Or if Luther had been a writer, and had written a classic novel still studied today for its insight into human character!
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Philosophy is everything.
How is that different than someone who claims that science is everything? I think you are projecting your own monomania when you make claims about how atheists here think.
Philosophy is like abstract mathematics in that it can be useful - but only through serendipity and not design. One of the great flaws of philosophers is that they far over-estimate their importance, for philosophy is but one of many inputs that guide modern thought. Von Clausewitz, for example, had as much of an impact on the 20th century as Marx; Henry Ford and his cars did more to liberalize sexuality than any beatnik professor declaiming free love.
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Ray Comfort is claiming now on his blog that he and Kirk Cameron will be canceling their original plans to distribute an abridged version of 'Origin of Species' with a creationist intro, and will instead be distributing twice as many copies of an unedited version with a more honest intro that doesn't blame Darwin for the Holocaust, and things of that nature.
Naturally, we're all a little skeptical and think that Comfort has some trick up his sleeve that we just haven't been able to figure out yet. Because of that, we've started up a second group called, "KEEP RAY COMFORT HONEST!"
If you haven't already, please join this group and promote the hell out of it. It would be such a shame for Ray and Kirk to succeed at their original plan simply by making an empty promise to get all of us off of their back.
Awesome. Nothing better than a cute chick putting down a dbag. And she even manages to be smarter than Kirk Cameron even though she breathes fumes from her formaldehyde soaked OSB headboard every night.
That banana video is so forking ridiculous. Especially considering that primates don't open bananas that way. (thanks to Machivelli for alerting us all to this fact) (at least I think it was Machievelli)
Is she ironically wearing some new age symbol around her neck?
Tis an Anhk. About as 'old age' as you get. About 5000 years old from Ancient Egypt. Sometimes also called the original cross because it is believed the Christian cross and other symbols like that came from it.
Obviously there is a TON of mythology surrounding it (Isis and Osiris, Phraohs breathing it in to get to the afterlife, etc.) but some of the imagry and philospohy in it's meaning is the sun rising over the horizon, as the Sun god Ra was central in their beliefs (as with most early religions though they obviously gave it different names. In fact some people believe Sun god became Son of God over the years, but that's obviously more of an english translation and would probably make no sense in translations or history)
It is also used to show the importance of both male and female energies. The loop representing the womb and the stem representing the phallus. It has also been used as a symbol for the energy in water which of course is very important to a desert culture.
People do use it for new age beliefs, and it became trendy for 'vamps' after Anne Rice wrote Queen of the Damned which basically made Egypt the beginning for her vampire culture, but the true meanings behind it are very historically, philisophically, and spiritually interesting.
While I believe some of Cameron's tactics are over the top and guerilla-esque, he has ever right to put forth his point of view, just as Dawkins or other athiests have every right to put forth their point of view.
It is a slippery slope when you begin to talk about stopping someone from speaking out about what they believe. If you advocate stopping Cameron, then how would you feel if Dawkins was stopped from distributing the Bible with his own preface to it?
Right or wrong, freedom of speech should be supported, even if you disagree with the message. The only time it should be restricted is if it is inciting hate.
I may disagree with your opinion, but I would always support your right to express it.
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He and those other whacko's do nothing other than hurt people who actually believe in the Bible.
Of course evolution exists. Darwin didnt say humans came from pond scum, he said that living species adapt to their environment. THAT IS TRUE.
Everyone adapts to their environment. People like Cameron and the rest of the whacks simply go on false prophets talking points. Read the damn book for yourself to see what it actually says (FYI - New Testament is what is important for us, Old Testament is a history lesson).
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That banana video is so forking ridiculous. Especially considering that primates don't open bananas that way. (thanks to Machivelli for alerting us all to this fact) (at least I think it was Machievelli)
I open my banana that way too... . Maybe I'm regressing?
Yeah and it makes me weep to think of all that energy spent on folderol and flapdoodle. Imagine if Saul of Tarsus would have been an engineer - he could have built a great aqueduct to water the deserts! Or if Augustine had invented the horsecollar and revolutionized agriculture 600 years early! Or if Luther had been a writer, and had written a classic novel still studied today for its insight into human character!
I think my own perspective is at odds with a lot of people on this board who are predominantly liberal, classically or progressive, and modernist. I have no real problems with this mindset so far that it represents the most revolutionary form of thought to ever exist. You want to talk about flapdoodle? If John Locke and Thomas Hobbes, among the liberal social theorists, had been engineers or farmers instead of philosophers, we would not live in the society we have today. Everything springs from ideas.
We think in terms of reductionism and practicality, sadly there is no use for virtue or wisdom anymore, unless it is deemed realistic.
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How is that different than someone who claims that science is everything? I think you are projecting your own monomania when you make claims about how atheists here think.
Philosophy is like abstract mathematics in that it can be useful - but only through serendipity and not design. One of the great flaws of philosophers is that they far over-estimate their importance, for philosophy is but one of many inputs that guide modern thought. Von Clausewitz, for example, had as much of an impact on the 20th century as Marx; Henry Ford and his cars did more to liberalize sexuality than any beatnik professor declaiming free love.
I entirely accept the legitimacy of atheism and the scientific method. I do not accept reductionism as a legitimate worldview. That's fine, we can always argue about it.
Philosophy is the pursuit of knowledge. Thus in its quest to understand the human condition, it encompasses all the disciplines. Even science is guided by a philosophy formed by thinkers such as Spinoza, Descartes, and even Luther (the Protestant roots of modern science are quite undeniable).
Clausewitz was probably more of a philosopher than Marx. In fact what made Clausewitz's theory so profound was it's searing insight into the human condition.
Ford probably read Smith at one point and Plato, Shakespeare, Rousseau and many others wrote the book on erotic love.
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