Free flu shot, anyone?

[peter12]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

Well, here is a doctors advice then

http://drbenkim.com/flu-shot-ingredients-dangers.htm

I don't want to trust a doctor whose website is a shill for natural health products.

[joe_mullen]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

Well, here is a doctors advice then

http://drbenkim.com/flu-shot-ingredients-dangers.htm

I would argue that the Health Canada and CDC know what they are talking about and are much more reliable sources of information. The flu shot saves thousands of lives every year. Vaccines are by far the most reliable and efficacious preventative treatment available to physicians. As for the myth that they make your immune system weaker and more likely to get sick...just ridiculous.

[SeeGeeWhy]

Originally Posted by Ford Prefect

No.

That was not the response I was fishing for.

[Acid Rush]

Yes, I would. Our family always gets flu shot every year and the only time that we got sick was when my youngest son got RSV (rvs?) and croup at the same time. I'd still get it this year.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by peter12

I don't want to trust a doctor whose website is a shill for natural health products.

Yes, because natural health products are much worse for you then what's in your flu shot! Besides the flu virus itself we have these quality ingredients:

1. What’s in the regular flu shot?

Egg proteins: including avian contaminant viruses

Gelatin: known to cause allergic reactions and anaphylaxis are usually associated with sensitivity to egg or gelatin

Polysorbate 80 (Tween80™): can cause severe allergic reactions, including anaphylaxis

Formaldehyde: known carcinogen

Triton X100: a strong detergent

Sucrose: table sugar

Resin: known to cause allergic reactions

Gentamycin: an antibiotic

Thimerosal: mercury is still in multidose vials

You go ahead and get your shot of detergent, Formaldehyde, and mercury just to try and avoid a flu virus that if you come into contact with you will contract anyhow because nothing in any scientific study has shown that the flu shot prevents getting the flu and even if it did the odds that it will be one of those three it supposedly protects against is like winning the lottery.

[Dion]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

Yes, because natural health products are much worse for you then what's in your flu shot! Besides the flu virus itself we have these quality ingredients:

1. What’s in the regular flu shot?

Egg proteins: including avian contaminant viruses

Gelatin: known to cause allergic reactions and anaphylaxis are usually associated with sensitivity to egg or gelatin

Polysorbate 80 (Tween80™): can cause severe allergic reactions, including anaphylaxis

Formaldehyde: known carcinogen

Triton X100: a strong detergent

Sucrose: table sugar

Resin: known to cause allergic reactions

Gentamycin: an antibiotic

Thimerosal: mercury is still in multidose vials

You go ahead and get your shot of detergent, Formaldehyde, and mercury just to try and avoid a flu virus that if you come into contact with you will contract anyhow because nothing in any scientific study has shown that the flu shot prevents getting the flu and even if it did the odds that it will be one of those three it supposedly protects against is like winning the lottery.

Thank you, I will get my flu shot. Have gotten one for a number of years without any ill side effects. I'll file that info where it belongs in my fear mongering basket

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by joe_mullen

I would argue that the Health Canada and CDC know what they are talking about and are much more reliable sources of information. The flu shot saves thousands of lives every year. Vaccines are by far the most reliable and efficacious preventative treatment available to physicians. As for the myth that they make your immune system weaker and more likely to get sick...just ridiculous.

Really? Show me proof of where the flu shot saves thousands of lives every year. The only thing ridiculous is how easy most people will buy into doing anything their government says is good for them or is ok. The facts are most doctors are split down the middle on flu shots. Half of them truly care about their patients and will advise you against it and half know that every time you go get a flu shot they make money on it so of course they want you to get one, they don't care about your health, they care about their bank account.

[Dion]

[quote=dissentowner;2042611]Half of them truly care about their patients and will advise you against it and half know that every time you go get a flu shot they make money on it so of course they want you to get one, they don't care about your health, they care about their bank account.[/quote]

Really? My GP cares about my health and isn't doing it to pad his bank account. I could give you examples of this but why bother - your mind is already made up.

[joe_mullen]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

Really? Show me proof of where the flu shot saves thousands of lives every year. The only thing ridiculous is how easy most people will buy into doing anything their government says is good for them or is ok. The facts are most doctors are split down the middle on flu shots. Half of them truly care about their patients and will advise you against it and half know that every time you go get a flu shot they make money on it so of course they want you to get one, they don't care about your health, they care about their bank account.

Actually, I've yet to meet one MD that is against flu shots (I work in the medical field, so I see many daily). As for getting paid for them, quite the opposite. They actually lose money in the long term by giving out flu shots since it means less people coming in for the flu and complications from the flu, which means less patients to bill for in the long run. The flu shot saves the government money, so I guess they do care about a bank account, but not their own. Would be much more profitable to advise against flu shots and see the money roll in from your practice being overrun by patients with the flu that require a short visit...so you can bill more and pad your bank account.

[Ashartus]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

Formaldehyde: known carcinogen

Thimerosal: mercury is still in multidose vials

You go ahead and get your shot of detergent, Formaldehyde, and mercury just to try and avoid a flu virus that if you come into contact with you will contract anyhow because nothing in any scientific study has shown that the flu shot prevents getting the flu and even if it did the odds that it will be one of those three it supposedly protects against is like winning the lottery.

Formaldehyde is already produced by your body in much higher amounts than you get from a vaccine. Thimerosal is not remotely the same as methyl mercury or inorganic mercury (the "toxic" forms of mercury), and again the amount you get from a vaccine is low compared to background mercury exposures (you do realize that formaldehyde, mercury etc. are natural substances and that there are a lot of toxins in natural health products?). I've looked into both formaldehyde and various forms of mercury as a toxicologist, and am not concerned at all from the amounts in vaccines.

Public Health Agency stats pretty clearly show that vaccination is very beneficial - the chance of significant adverse effects is very low compared to the chance of significant adverse effects if you get the associated disease; otherwise they wouldn't offer them. Contrary to what some conspiracy theory types believe, the government and your doctor want you to be healthy.

Also, my doctor is not making money from recommending that I get vaccinated - I get it done at a public clinic (where it's free, because the government has realized it's cheaper to vaccinate people than to treat illnesses or have too many people off work sick). Doctors and pharmacy companies would make more money if you got sick than they do from vaccinating you.

[habernac]

Originally Posted by peter12

I don't want to trust a doctor whose website is a shill for natural health products.

My wife worked for one of these clowns for a year or so. You'd get more benefit from a witchdoctor than one of these frauds.

[peter12]

Originally Posted by habernac

My wife worked for one of these clowns for a year or so. You'd get more benefit from a witchdoctor than one of these frauds.

But you get really good teeth soap and goiju berries.

[ernie]

For those enjoying copious amounts of natural products I'd take into account most are not really controlled in any sort of manner. If you spent a few hundred dollars and sent some supplements for even a simple full metals screen by ICP-MS I think there is a good chance it would scare the crap out of you if the amount of "toxins" in a flu shot scare you.

Just because it's not on the label doesn't mean it's not there.

[mikey_the_redneck]

Just get a vitamin D supplement and you will be fine.........

[REDVAN]

I'm getting a flu shot. I get early access apparently because I have a chronic condition. Have fun dying.

[Lucifer]

I'm diabetic so of course I get a flu shot every year.

[Burninator]

Originally Posted by Komskies

The only times I've been sick in the last 10 years are the years that I got a flu shot.

Correlation does not equal causation.

[Bring_Back_Shantz]

Originally Posted by Burninator

Correlation does not equal causation.

Wait a second. Are you saying that one or two examples of dubious anecdotal evidence don't trump years and years of emperical studies?

You're crazy dude.

[ken0042]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

Yes, because natural health products are much worse for you then what's in your flu shot! Besides the flu virus itself we have these quality ingredients:

1. What’s in the regular flu shot?

Egg proteins: including avian contaminant viruses

Gelatin: known to cause allergic reactions and anaphylaxis are usually associated with sensitivity to egg or gelatin

Polysorbate 80 (Tween80™): can cause severe allergic reactions, including anaphylaxis

Formaldehyde: known carcinogen

Triton X100: a strong detergent

Sucrose: table sugar

Resin: known to cause allergic reactions

Gentamycin: an antibiotic

Thimerosal: mercury is still in multidose vials

I think it's time to also explore the dangers of Dihydrogen Monoxide while we are at it:
http://www.dhmo.org/dihydrogen-monoxide/

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by mikey_the_redneck

Just get a vitamin D supplement and you will be fine.........

Will a multivitamin be sufficient or do I need to get a seperate Vitamin D?

Cause I take enough pills as it stands.