Was Paul Hinman campaigning outside a polling station today?

[Slava]

It looks like it's a done deal. Ugh. Not only does the worst possible party win a seat hee but looks like I am stuck with the same useless alderman.

[Kjesse]

Originally Posted by Slava

It looks like it's a done deal. Ugh. Not only does the worst possible party win a seat hee but looks like I am stuck with the same useless alderman.

If Dyrholm or Willerton win the leadership race, I agree with you, however, I think Smith will pull it through and marginalize the right wing-nuts.

[moon]

I can't believe there are that many idiots out there that would vote for Roberts.

That is scary.

[St Loomis]

Fixed.

Originally Posted by moon

I can't believe there are that many idiots out there that would vote for Hinman.

That is scary.

[Resolute 14]

Interesting to compare the vote totals to the general election. The Liberal message was completely rejected, yet again. One has to wonder when that party will find an identity Albertans would support.

Turnout in 2008 was about 12,500. Tonight was about 10,000.
WRA +2600 votes (+29.0%)
Libs -800 votes (+1.0%)
PC -4000 votes (-25.1%)
NDP -300 votes (-2.3%)
(at 64/66 polls)

[Slava]

Originally Posted by Delgar

If Dyrholm or Willerton win the leadership race, I agree with you, however, I think Smith will pull it through and marginalize the right wing-nuts.

Just in case this is more than a "none of the above" type of vote I will be voting for Dyrholm. The province has enough to worry about without moving further to the right.

[Kjesse]

Originally Posted by Resolute 14

Interesting to compare the vote totals to the general election. The Liberal message was completely rejected, yet again. One has to wonder when that party will find an identity Albertans would support.

Turnout in 2008 was about 12,500. Tonight was about 10,000.
WRA +2600 votes (+29.0%)
Libs -800 votes (+1.0%)
PC -4000 votes (-25.1%)
NDP -300 votes (-2.3%)
(at 64/66 polls)

The Liberals elected the wrong leader, someone who doesn't appeal to Albertans.... rural or urban.

[Kjesse]

Originally Posted by Slava

Just in case this is more than a "none of the above" type of vote I will be voting for Dyrholm. The province has enough to worry about without moving further to the right.

Say 'Hi' to Craig Chandler for me.... no wait.... spit on his feet for me. I think he's the puppetmaster of the otherwise 1/2 respectable views Dryholm holds. With Chandler behind him, he's not even considerable IMHO.

FURTHER EDIT: Dyrholm is just pushing 'Old Reform'. Its a tired message, directed by Chandler, and Dyrholm will fail in the leadership, even without Chandler behind him, but with him, he also loses respect.

[moon]

Originally Posted by St Loomis

Fixed.

Really?

He was the only viable alternative to those that didn't want to support Stelmach or send a message that they wanted change.

Not hard to see why people would vote for him at all.

[Resolute 14]

Originally Posted by Delgar

The Liberals elected the wrong leader, someone who doesn't appeal to Albertans.... rural or urban.

That describes about the last half dozen Liberal leaders.

I just found it really funny that the Liberals were flat in this election. Seriously, with everything that has gone on under Stelmach, how the hell do you only pick up 1% in popular support relative to the last election?

[Kjesse]

Originally Posted by Resolute 14

That describes about the last half dozen Liberal leaders.

I just found it really funny that the Liberals were flat in this election. Seriously, with everything that has gone on under Stelmach, how the hell do you only pick up 1% in popular support relative to the last election?

Avalon Roberts is hardly inspiring....

[moon]

Originally Posted by Resolute 14

Interesting to compare the vote totals to the general election. The Liberal message was completely rejected, yet again. One has to wonder when that party will find an identity Albertans would support.

The problem is the people running/supporting the party don't want a party identity that Albertans would support they want to shoe horn Albertans into supporting the party that they want.

They still want to live in the dream world that people actually do support their party they just somehow continually show that they completely reject it.

[St Loomis]

Originally Posted by moon

Really?

He was the only viable alternative to those that didn't want to support Stelmach or send a message that they wanted change.

Not hard to see why people would vote for him at all.

Yes really. The last thing Alberta needs is a further shift to the right.

Of course that is my opinion.

I don't see how Roberts wouldn't also be a viable alternative for those who do not want to support Stelmach. It's not as if the Liberals are PC's in disguise.

[JerzeeGirl]

I met Roberts and liked her, would've liked to see her win TBQH.

[Azure]

Yeah, the last thing this province needs is fiscal responsibility.

[Dion]

Originally Posted by JerzeeGirl

I met Roberts and liked her, would've liked to see her win TBQH.

I've met her on a few occassions also. I was hoping she would win.

[moon]

Originally Posted by St Loomis

Yes really. The last thing Alberta needs is a further shift to the right.

Of course that is my opinion.

I don't see how Roberts wouldn't also be a viable alternative for those who do not want to support Stelmach. It's not as if the Liberals are PC's in disguise.

Roberts wouldn't be a viable option is because the Liberals are a joke of a party that don't represent Albertans views at all.

Roberts is a blah candidate with no real intelligent views other than she is a member of the Liberal party.

Hinman getting into office doesn't move Alberta one inch further to the right but considering that his party is closer to being a real threat to Stelmach depending on which way the leadership vote goes certainly puts a lot more pressure on him to make changes.

Adding one more useless Liberal voice to a group that has zero power and never will does nothing. Adding a new party that could develop into a rival of the PC's at least has Stelmach having to pause and think for a second.

Neither are going to do much at all really but Hinman at least does something in terms of providing a protest vote.

[mykalberta]

Originally Posted by St Loomis

Yes really. The last thing Alberta needs is a further shift to the right.

Of course that is my opinion.

I don't see how Roberts wouldn't also be a viable alternative for those who do not want to support Stelmach. It's not as if the Liberals are PC's in disguise.

This is the reason the Liberals will never hold a majority in this province

Pierre Trudeau.

If they want real change in Alberta they would rebrand something a little less Toronto leftist, but not Tory right and they would win the cities firstly causing a PC minority, eventually being able to get a few Cochrane/Airdrie type ridings to form a slim majority.

Very similar to what the Sask Party did by dropping the PC brand which had been tainted. Its sometimes easier to rebrand than to fix your original brand.

[St Loomis]

Originally Posted by mykalberta

This is the reason the Liberals will never hold a majority in this province

Pierre Trudeau.

If they want real change in Alberta they would rebrand something a little less Toronto leftist, but not Tory right and they would win the cities firstly causing a PC minority, eventually being able to get a few Cochrane/Airdrie type ridings to form a slim majority.

Very similar to what the Sask Party did by dropping the PC brand which had been tainted. Its sometimes easier to rebrand than to fix your original brand.

I completely agree, very well put argument.

[Resolute 14]

Pierre Trudeau is not the reason why the Liberals were never judged to be a viable governing party for the 60 years previous to the NEP.

You really underestimate the incompetence of the provincial party.