You are geniunely not smart, sorry but you ignore everything argued against your points and never respond to them.
Go back a few pages..........I have made plenty of responses. I don't want to get in a big debate against 20 or more posters again as I do have to work during the day.
You insulting the intellegence of someone you don't know on the internet isn't "genuinely smart".
BTW you spelled "genuinely" wrong..............dumba$$.
Someone should remind these idiots that when you have about 6 million tonnes of concrete and steel collapsing it might just sound like an explosion.
The explosions reported by first responders and other witnesses happened on the lower floors and basement area after the planes hit and before the actual collapse.
There will never be enough. There will always be something else.
At some point, the debate becomes a waste of time and you leave the other guy to wallow in his private hell.
Eventually, it's the conspiracy theorists themselves as pyschological subjects which becomes the more intriguing conversation.
In that, I found the documentary interesting.
Cowperson
That was the part that I also thought was outstanding in that documentary.
I would really like to see the Truthers put in the work to actually test their theories using actual recreations of their own.
However I don't think they can because they plug in large leaps of logic such as the nebulous Super thermite that is more of a rumor then a proven reality.
Proving through recreation that a plane couldn't have caused the damage to the pentagon and a missile was used.
They would have a lot more validity if they did this, and they would have a case to reopen the investigation.
but right now, they have theories that are next to unprovable because they use leaps and fill in the gap with unproven monkey science (Throw enough of your own feces at a whole and you'll fill it).
After watching that special the only guy that sounded the least bit rational was Dylan Avery (I think) who wrote and directed Loose Change, but he flirts pretty fast and lose in terms of creative quote editing and ignoring or snorting at anything that disproves his theories.
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Uhhhhh, wut?
Conducting military training exercise, without notifying anyone else, on 9/11, near the pentagon, where the president currently is resulting in reports of shots fired...
Either this is a bit of a cover story for what really happened or this is some of the worst planning I've seen ever.
Uhhhhh, wut?
Conducting military training exercise, without notifying anyone else, on 9/11, near the pentagon, where the president currently is resulting in reports of shots fired...
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Federal agency emergency operations centers were not aware of or notified about the exercise on the Potomac, and they began implementing response procedures, a federal source said.
Even the police department's Harbor Patrol, which is responsible for patrolling the river, was not notified, law enforcement sources in Washington said.
And these are the people 9/11 "truthers" are trying to tell us engaged a multi-year, multi-level, multi-target, ultra-secret, iincredibly expensive conspiracy using ultra-secret components/explosives which they carried off with pinpoint precision while keeping thousands of participants quiet eight years after the fact.
Goooooooooooood luck with that!!!
Cowperson
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Well since september 11th Ive been reading and watching documentaries about them. I stumbled upon this great movie that you can watch for free. Take the information however you want, but I rather enjoyed it. Makes you think.
Well since september 11th Ive been reading and watching documentaries about them. I stumbled upon this great movie that you can watch for free. Take the information however you want, but I rather enjoyed it. Makes you think.
"The Falling Man" is another great documentary.
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Well since september 11th Ive been reading and watching documentaries about them. I stumbled upon this great movie that you can watch for free. Take the information however you want, but I rather enjoyed it. Makes you think.
So another movie with the same BS garbage thats been debunked time and time again. If any of these truthers actually had any kind of proof beyond theories that have been massively disproved time and time again I might listen to them.
But a bunch of amateur film makers trying to get their reputations boosted with goofy semi ######ed theories is just not interesting anymore, its side.
Basically it sounds like this movie is another copy of loose change.
Maybe they can bring up a theory of alien laser beams cutting down the towers, laser beams that were seized by the government in the 50's and stored at Roswell in the 50's until it was needed.
Looking at them talking about demolition charges, war games and evil government secret covert operations, this isn't new territory its all been looked at before.
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So another movie with the same BS garbage thats been debunked time and time again. If any of these truthers actually had any kind of proof beyond theories that have been massively disproved time and time again I might listen to them.
But a bunch of amateur film makers trying to get their reputations boosted with goofy semi ######ed theories is just not interesting anymore, its side.
Basically it sounds like this movie is another copy of loose change.
Maybe they can bring up a theory of alien laser beams cutting down the towers, laser beams that were seized by the government in the 50's and stored at Roswell in the 50's until it was needed.
Looking at them talking about demolition charges, war games and evil government secret covert operations, this isn't new territory its all been looked at before.
You didnt even watch it but You're entitled to an opinion I guess. Its not as insane as you would think. Some of the "theories" make sense. This film explores more the properties of the building and just asks questions. The trailer is a little misleading its not as nutty as it lets on. Anyways http://freedocumentaries.org/theatre...92&wh=1000x720 if you feel like watching it.
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I can't even imagine how angry I would be if I had someone die in one of those planes that crashed that day hearing truthers suggest it wasn't terrorism but some super secret conspiracy.
You didnt even watch it but You're entitled to an opinion I guess. Its not as insane as you would think. Some of the "theories" make sense. This film explores more the properties of the building and just asks questions. The trailer is a little misleading its not as nutty as it lets on. Anyways http://freedocumentaries.org/theatre...92&wh=1000x720 if you feel like watching it.
How do you know I didn't watch it, or haven't watched it. The demolitions theory in any shape is garbage, and has been looked at by popular mechanics, and other publications, discussed in the 9/11 commission finding. And even most recently gamed out on a discovery channel special looking at the truthers theories.
Both logistically and scientifically the demolition charge and even cutting agent theories have been debunked.
Just because someone say it looks like a controlled demolition, doesn't mean it was a controlled demolition when you look at all of the factors behind why the buildings fell, which has been discussed ad naseum in this thread and others.
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I can't even imagine how angry I would be if I had someone die in one of those planes that crashed that day hearing truthers suggest it wasn't terrorism but some super secret conspiracy.
Insulting to those people to say the least.
Especially since one of the more radical truther theories was that the planes were substituted and the passengers landed safely then were executed by elements of the U.S government to cover it up.
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How do you know I didn't watch it, or haven't watched it. The demolitions theory in any shape is garbage, and has been looked at by popular mechanics, and other publications, discussed in the 9/11 commission finding. And even most recently gamed out on a discovery channel special looking at the truthers theories.
Both logistically and scientifically the demolition charge and even cutting agent theories have been debunked.
Just because someone say it looks like a controlled demolition, doesn't mean it was a controlled demolition when you look at all of the factors behind why the buildings fell, which has been discussed ad naseum in this thread and others.
Yes I agree I do find the demolitions theory far fetched-I mean theres no way a demolitions team could pull this off un noticed, but the film explored steel and its melting point, jet fuel and how long it can burn, pictures and video, etc... I can see why people ask questions though, I mean the fact that both buildings collapsed is unreal.
I can't even imagine how angry I would be if I had someone die in one of those planes that crashed that day hearing truthers suggest it wasn't terrorism but some super secret conspiracy.
Insulting to those people to say the least.
Yeah its terrorism no matter how you slice it. This film however does not suggest it was not terrorism.
Yes I agree I do find the demolitions theory far fetched-I mean theres no way a demolitions team could pull this off un noticed, but the film explored steel and its melting point, jet fuel and how long it can burn, pictures and video, etc... I can see why people ask questions though, I mean the fact that both buildings collapsed is unreal.
Really? Each one being slammed into by a 300,000+ lb airplane and common sense tell me the fact that both buildings collapsing is what I'd expect.
