Proof-existence of an intelligent Creator+His Purpose for humankind

[andersbranderud]

MOD EDIT: Removed, no need to increase his google rank.

[SeeGeeWhy]

[Jayems]

begin flame war

[Antithesis]

[Sliver]

Bahahahahahahaha. Nice copy paste there guy.

[Nage Waza]

What about the bermuda triangle?

[Matata]

Originally Posted by andersbranderud

From timespace=0, scientists hold that nothing in the universe magically "popped in" with no cause. It is a fundamental law of physics that every physical occurrence in the universe has a cause.

Quantum mechanics.

There is not a single proof in the argument, only hypothesis based on assumption. Another case of 'we don't know exactly how the universe started, therefor, God.' dressed up with $10 words.

[Finny61]

Quick hit the deck the athiests are coming!!!

[stuck_in_chuk]

A perfect creator created a perfectly ordered universe, and a perfectly ordered world, and filled it with tragically imperfect humans? Was he sleeping one off on whatever day it was that he formed Adam out of clay?

These little logic games - from both theists and atheists - concerning proof of the existence/non-existence of god may bolster your own opinion, but will do nothing to sway people on the other side of the fence.

[Vulcan]

Originally Posted by Matata

Quantum mechanics.

There is not a single proof in the argument, only hypothesis based on assumption. Another case of 'we don't know exactly how the universe started, therefor, God.' dressed up with $10 words.

That's what it sounds like to me too but because god isn't explained through physical means, doesn't mean he doesn't exist.
In other words for the physical part of me that asks, does god exist, he doesn't but another part of me knows he does.

[Shazam]

I thought that the babel fish conclusively proved that God exists, and therefore vanished in a puff of logic.

[Matata]

Originally Posted by stuck_in_chuk

These little logic games - from both theists and atheists - concerning proof of the existence/non-existence of god may bolster your own opinion, but will do nothing to sway people on the other side of the fence.

Given the current prevalence and growth of atheism in civilized countries (even the US is starting to turn), I think it's safe to say that theists are getting their butts kicked in this argument.

[Reaper]

The original post has to be a joke post. Nobody can seriously think "because I said so" is what constitutes truth.

[4X4]

I think the most obvious proof that there is a god is that we have no other explanation. Everybody knows that when you don't know the answer, the best solution is to make up a story and tell it to your kids.

[Iowa_Flames_Fan]

Originally Posted by stuck_in_chuk

A perfect creator created a perfectly ordered universe, and a perfectly ordered world, and filled it with tragically imperfect humans? Was he sleeping one off on whatever day it was that he formed Adam out of clay?

These little logic games - from both theists and atheists - concerning proof of the existence/non-existence of god may bolster your own opinion, but will do nothing to sway people on the other side of the fence.

It's mostly absurd because neither can be proven. And for those who believe, isn't that the point? Wouldn't logically proving the existence of God be antithetical to the notion of faith?

For me, there isn't a lot of point in obsessing over the non-knowable. Could there be a God? Sure--why not? Could there not be a God? Absolutely.

At least when we're discussing whether Superman could beat up Batman, we can present some kind of evidence on either side.

[4X4]

Batman's way craftier than Superman. With his arsenal, he'd wreck Superman.

Batman FTW.

[Vulcan]

Originally Posted by 4X4

I think the most obvious proof that there is a god is that we have no other explanation. Everybody knows that when you don't know the answer, the best solution is to make up a story and tell it to your kids.

and the atheists take those stories and shoot them down, to prove there is no god.

[bcb]

www.netzarim.co.il

Interesting website. It's a bit like a "back to basics" movement to convince Christians they are misguided in their 'evolved' beliefs.

What's more, Jews rarely proselytize, which is what this website appears to be doing. But with only 15 million Jews on this planet, a few more couldn't hurt.

[4X4]

Originally Posted by Vulcan

and the atheists take those stories and shoot them down, to prove there is no god.

Shoot them down? More like refuse to acknowledge ridiculous tales about talking snakes and men that get swallowed by whales and seas parting and food raining from the sky and water flowing from a stone and two fish feeding 5,000 people and blind men that can suddenly see after being molested by a superhuman that can die and then come back from hell only to say hi quickly to his friends and then float up to the sky to watch your every move so you better give us money or else you'll go to hell.

[TurnedTheCorner]

Felt dark planet turn under my feet and knew what cats know that makes them scream like babies in night. Looked at sky through smoke heavy with human fat and God was not there. The cold, suffocating dark goes on forever and we are alone. Live our lives, lacking anything better to do. Devise reason later. Born from oblivion; bear children, hell-bound as ourselves, go into oblivion. There is nothing else. Existence is random. Has no pattern save what we imagine after staring at it for too long. No meaning save what we choose to impose. This rudderless world is not shaped by vague metaphysical forces. It is not God who kills the children. Not fate that butchers them or destiny that feeds them to the dogs. It’s us. Only us.