Zeitgeist, 9/11, and Other Conspiracies

[Burninator]

Originally Posted by T@T

Some guy claims the Lockness monster has be photographed by the google earth guys.

Put this in google earth and see for yourself.

57°12'52.13"N, 4°34'14.16"W

Looks like a boat with a wake to me.

[RougeUnderoos]

57°10'7.90"N 4°37'53.13"W

A little further south is another monster. This one's a baby.

[icecube]

I'm reading two highly enjoyable books right now that have a bit to do with aliens and are not your run of the mill abduction story. They both hypothesize that contact with beings and other so called spiritual or supernatural phenomena (near death experiences, spontaneous mystical/religious experiences, exploring invisible dimensions) may be something that has a basis in the chemistry of the brain.

The first is called DMT: the spirit molecule and the other is called Inner Paths to Outer Space: Journeys to alien worlds through psychedelics and other spiritual technologies.

Here are some cool links I'm certain many will enjoy. I wish I could remember how to embed youtube vids so that people would be more willing to give them a look. It's well worth a debate.

the intro to inner paths to outer space
http://www.slawcio.com/inner.html

joe rogan talks about his dmt trips
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m51X4z1xVWE
and
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=grcqs9cDuN8

a preview of the upcoming dmt documentary
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v905fhCqq2Y

dr. rick strassman discusses dmt (very cool video and summary of the spirit molecule)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6MQUGjd21MA

a simulated ayahuasca (brew containing dmt) trip from the movie blueberry- around the 7 minute mark the trip gets f'n insane
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FINU71FyMto

watch and discuss!!!

[mikey_the_redneck]

Bump.

I found this page that features credible critics of the official account of 9/11.........I thought I would pass it along for those interested. There are high ranking military, intellegence, government people who question the event...including

Major General Albert Stubblebine
General Wesley Clark, U.S. Army
Col. Ronald D. Ray, U.S. Marine Corps
Capt. Edgar Mitchell, U.S. Navy
Major Scott Ritter, U.S. Marine Corps
Capt. Eric H. May, U.S. Army
Lt. Col. Anthony Shaffer, U.S. Army Reserve
Major Erik Kleinsmith, U.S. Army
David L. Griscom, PhD
Raymond L. McGovern (intellegence)
William Christison (intellegence)

and the list goes on..........

http://patriotsquestion911.com/#McGovern

[mikey_the_redneck]

Oh, and a former high ranking intellegence officer David Steele says that “9/11 was at a minimum allowed to happen as a pretext for war”, and that Dick Cheney had a big hand in it.

http://www.infowars.com/former-high-...sible-for-911/

[troutman]

the intro to inner paths to outer space
http://www.slawcio.com/inner.html

Perhaps Eric von Däniken (author of “Chariots of the Gods”) has a point: Humankind has had visitors—and they may have come to visit us through either inner space or outer space.

Oh brother - not Chariots of the Gods again.

http://www.skepdic.com/vondanik.html

The term 'ancient astronauts' designates the speculative notion that aliens are responsible for the most ancient civilizations on earth. The most notorious proponent of this idea is Erich von Däniken, author of several popular books on the subject. His Chariots of the Gods? Unsolved Mysteries of the Past, for example, is a sweeping attack on the memories and abilities of ancient peoples. Von Däniken claims that the myths, arts, social organizations, etc., of ancient cultures were introduced by astronauts from another world. He questions not just the capacity for memory, but the capacity for culture and civilization itself, in ancient peoples. Prehistoric humans did not develop their own arts and technologies, but rather were taught art and science by visitors from outer space.

Where is the proof for von Däniken's claims?

There is little evidence to support the notion that ancient myths and religious stories are the distorted and imperfect recollection of ancient astronauts recorded by ancient priests. The evidence to the contrary--that prehistoric or 'primitive' peoples were (and are) quite intelligent and resourceful--is overwhelming.

The ancient astronaut hypothesis is unnecessary. Occam's razor should be applied and the hypothesis rejected.

[troutman]

http://www.tripzine.com/listing.php?id=dmt_pickover

In short, I do not believe DMT is a gateway to an alternate dimension, nor does it induce contact with autonomous elves and alien entities. Yes, DMT produces a vivid other-worldly landscape when ingested, often including elves, aliens, insects, snakes, jaguars, etc. This is true for the majority of people who try it. Some people do not have such vivid responses, but many do. Although this may appear at first glance to be "shocking," it is actually no more shocking then the fact that most people dream at night, or that most people see geometric patterns (pressure phosphenes) when they close their eyes and press against their eyeballs.

[Gozer]

Originally Posted by troutman

most people see geometric patterns (pressure phosphenes) when they close their eyes and press against their eyeballs.[/I]

My eyes hurt now.

[troutman]

Originally Posted by Gozer

My eyes hurt now.

I never knew there was a name for those things.

[arsenal]

Originally Posted by mikey_the_redneck

Oh, and a former high ranking intellegence officer David Steele says that “9/11 was at a minimum allowed to happen as a pretext for war”, and that Dick Cheney had a big hand in it.

http://www.infowars.com/former-high-...sible-for-911/

Quote from what this guy says:

Cheney saw an opportunity for what Bush called his trifecta, and gave it to him by giving the go-ahead to ISI and Al Qaeda, and ordering up a terrorism exercise that allowed him to send all relevant close-in air defense strip alert craft away from the target areas, and to disable the NORTHCOM normal response to flight path diversion.

The bolded part.. NORTHCOM (guessing he means USNORTHCOM), was not established until October 2002.

From the history about USNORTHCOM: ( http://www.northcom.mil/About/histor...n/history.html )

As authorized by President George W. Bush April 17, 2002, the Department of Defense (DoD) announced the establishment of U.S. Northern Command (USNORTHCOM) to consolidate under a single unified command those existing homeland defense and civil support missions that were previously executed by other military organizations. On May 8, 2002, U.S. Air Force Gen. Ralph E. “Ed” Eberhart, the commander of the North American Aerospace Defense Command (NORAD) and U.S. Space Command, was nominated by DoD to be the first commander of USNORTHCOM. USNORTHCOM attained initial operational capability, that is, assumed its responsibilities, Oct. 1, 2002. Deputy Secretary of Defense Paul Wolfowitz and Gen. Richard Meyers, Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, participated in the ceremony at which command of USNORTHCOM was presented to Gen. Eberhart, who continued to serve as the commander of NORAD. At the same ceremony, U.S. Space Command transitioned its missions and responsibilities to the U.S. Strategic Command at Offutt Air Force Base, Neb.

Maybe he means NORAD, but it has been stated numerous times that NORAD did not have the capability to track within the continental US in 2001.
So how does one disable the nominal tracking of flight path deviation of a body that doesn't exist until a year later?

[CaptainCrunch]

Doc . . . where are we going?

We're going back to the future Marty, Cheney is going to give me a pink belly if I don't disable NorthCom which won't be established until after the events of 9/11 before 9-11

Ya ever get a feeling that they're just mailing these sequels in now.

[arsenal]

Well.. one would hope that an ex-CIA guy would know governmental agencies and their roles and responsibilities. But maybe that is too much to ask.

[Vulcan]

CBCNW is showing 9/11 Conspiracy Files at 7PDT + 10 PM this Monday for anyone interested. Channel 502 on Bell.

[bcb]

Originally Posted by Vulcan

CBCNW is showing 9/11 Conspiracy Files at 7PDT + 10 PM this Monday for anyone interested. Channel 502 on Bell.

Praise the Lord for not getting channel 502!

[ResAlien]

Mikey or that 666 dude need to post again. Without the crazy this thread is no fun anymore.

[Thor]

Originally Posted by icecube

I'm reading two highly enjoyable books right now that have a bit to do with aliens and are not your run of the mill abduction story. They both hypothesize that contact with beings and other so called spiritual or supernatural phenomena (near death experiences, spontaneous mystical/religious experiences, exploring invisible dimensions) may be something that has a basis in the chemistry of the brain.

The first is called DMT: the spirit molecule and the other is called Inner Paths to Outer Space: Journeys to alien worlds through psychedelics and other spiritual technologies.

Here are some cool links I'm certain many will enjoy. I wish I could remember how to embed youtube vids so that people would be more willing to give them a look. It's well worth a debate.

the intro to inner paths to outer space
http://www.slawcio.com/inner.html

joe rogan talks about his dmt trips
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m51X4z1xVWE
and
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=grcqs9cDuN8

a preview of the upcoming dmt documentary
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v905fhCqq2Y

dr. rick strassman discusses dmt (very cool video and summary of the spirit molecule)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6MQUGjd21MA

a simulated ayahuasca (brew containing dmt) trip from the movie blueberry- around the 7 minute mark the trip gets f'n insane
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FINU71FyMto

watch and discuss!!!

I run the biggest mushroom site on the web, and sorry but because you have wild trips and imagine amazing things does not mean these are doorways or glipses of the other side.

Just means you are high, and your brain is having fun.

[RougeUnderoos]

Originally Posted by mikey_the_redneck

Oh, and a former high ranking intellegence officer David Steele says that “9/11 was at a minimum allowed to happen as a pretext for war”, and that Dick Cheney had a big hand in it.

http://www.infowars.com/former-high-...sible-for-911/

See, the problem with that is that this David Steele guy, and all the guys mentioned in the previous post, are "high ranking" (whether they are or not, I don't know) so that makes them credible to you. But if one of those guys said "this conspiracy stuff is nonsense" the response would be along the lines of "yeah, well he's a high-ranking guy, he's got blood on his hands too, we can't trust him".

You can trust someone with credentials who agrees with the theory because he's an insider, but you can't trust a guy who disagrees, because he's got credentials and he's an insider.

In other words, the only trustworthy sources are guys who agree with you.

That being said, Cheney is such a son of a bitch I wouldn't put anything past him. But since he's been pinched for lesser crimes, I can't see him (or anyone else) pulling off this kind of caper.

It's like saying "my friend Dave got caught stealing a Mars bar from 7-11 last week and on Sunday he walked out of the Louvre in broad daylight with the Mona Lisa up his ass, and nobody noticed, because he's a master thief".

[Thor]

Basing legitimacy based on the 'qualifation' of your supporters is one of the weakest forms of a weak argument.

Just saying.

[666DanceParty]

Originally Posted by ResAlien

Mikey or that 666 dude need to post again. Without the crazy this thread is no fun anymore.

Thanks for thinking about me dude, I am glad I can entertain!

Ok, so I have a dandy here for you folks. Nothing really to argue my 'crazy' conspiracy theories or whatever, so sorry to disappoint on this one. I have come to realize that a lot of people believe that an airplane actually flew into the Pentagon, and that cowardly terrorists made this whole thing go down even though the government is covering all types of stuff up and the whole darn thing is just one gigantic gray area. That's cool though, because ResAlien is right, that's what makes this thread fun.

Anyways, I was reading a bunch of stuff online not too long ago and I crawled upon this article called the "Top 5 Worst 9/11 Memorials", which I think will be interesting for some folks. After seeing that insensitive picture from Brazil this week of all the airplanes aimed at New York, it made me think of sharing this one here. Enjoy!

http://vigilantcitizen.com/?p=1813

[CrusaderPi]

This thread is bad. You should feel bad for posting in it. Stop posting in it. Let it die.