Liberals will move to topple Conservative Gov't

[transplant99]

Interesting that you're so sure what the Liberals "would have done"--

Are you seriously saying that the Liberals wouldnt of spent more than the Conservatives?

Wasnt that what the whole friggin charade of the coup was based on...that the Cons werent going to do enough to "stimulate" the economy, but the Lib/NDP were going to make sure it was done.

I mean really IFF...you, I consider, one of the brightest observers of politics on this site, but to suggest the alliance would of been more fiscsally prudent is just ridiculous. Especially knowing Layton was involved in those decisions.

[Shazam]

All I keep thinking is... "Would have" "Would've"...

[Rerun]

I predict another Conservative minority government.... and this seems to be born out by the latest poll.

http://www.thestar.com/news/canada/article/687829

Not sure what Ignatieff is thinking. Right now, he can't win.

[BlackArcher101]

I hate Canadian politics

[peter12]

Originally Posted by Rerun

I predict another Conservative minority government.... and this seems to be born out by the latest poll.

http://www.thestar.com/news/canada/article/687829

Not sure what Ignatieff is thinking. Right now, he can't win.

Anything less than a majority for Harper means he's out of there.

[Ducay]

God, its junk like this that forces me to debate voting for the shyster. (see: Rob Anders). Luckily, I never do.

[Rerun]

Originally Posted by peter12

Anything less than a majority for Harper means he's out of there.

I doubt that a minority win, by the Conservatives, will result in a new Conservative leader. I suspect it will take an outright defeat. Harper still has a lot of support in the party.

[4X4]

Originally Posted by peter12

Anything less than a majority for Harper means he's out of there.

This election is going to be the end of all three leaders, methinks.

[Ducay]

Obviously, with the Bloc winning a majority, they will all have to go

Originally Posted by 4X4

This election is going to be the end of all three leaders, methinks.

[GoinAllTheWay]

Originally Posted by MarchHare

What's childish about an opposition party threatening to topple the government in a minority situation? That's exactly how our parliamentary system works.

I don't think an election this fall is really a good idea for any party, but there's nothing childish about it. Did you think it was "childish" when Harper toppled Paul Martin's minority government three years ago?

I know that's how our system works, doesn't mean for a second that it has to be done. You don't find anything childish about a power grab? This country is finally starting to recover and he figures it's a good time for an election? Great idea.

Paul Martin was an idiot, he needed to go. I have had no real issues with Harper as of yet. I honestly don't think this Ignatief (or however you spell his name) has the countries best needs in mind.

[Puppet Guy]

more millions of dollars spent, only to come back to the same situation - minority government. Can we just name Sutter for PM and get on with things?

[peter12]

Originally Posted by 4X4

This election is going to be the end of all three leaders, methinks.

Unless Ignatieff bombs really badly like Dion, they'll probably keep him around for another election.

[4X4]

Originally Posted by Puppet Guy

more millions of dollars spent, only to come back to the same situation - minority government. Can we just name Sutter for PM and get on with things?

If Sutter wanted to be pm, he would be. Obviously he has more important things to do...

[CaptainCrunch]

To me this is a stupid move, and it almost makes me thing that Ignatieff doesn't have control over his party at the moment.

Is there a good reason for an election, and is an election beneficial to the Liberal's?

Not really:

We're starting to get good news about the economic recovery of this nation. While to me the Conservatives didn't need to build the stimulus package that they did, they can honestly fight the Liberal's on the dollars spent as its something that the Liberal's forced on the government so that they could stay in power, and now the Liberal's are going to topple this over that? To me its almost a debate that the Liberal's can't win.

The Kadr thing, its a stupid dumb thing to fight an election over, The fashionable Lib left will vote to support the Liberal's over it, the Conservative right will vote against it, the middle of the pack either won't care, or will look at the Khadr family and ask why the hell we should fight an election over it and back lash the Liberal's over it. I doubt its enough to change the government, and that and the stupid passport fight aren't really strong election items in a weak economic time. Plus if it is over that little monster, the Conservatives can merely drop their court challenge and bring him back to Canada and parade him around pre-election.

The Unemployment thing? Maybe, I can almost get on board with standards across the nation, but really each region is going to have different requirments. But the Conservatives could destroy the Libs over the reduction of eligibility time just by pointing out the economic model.

The food scandal or the H1N1 flu? Nobody wants to see the government fall over that.

Senate reform due to Harper adding conservatives to the Senate? I would think that Harper could pretty successfully pound on Iggy in a senate reform debate.

Lets face it, Jack Layton hasn't performed well this time around, and I think people are tiring of the NDP. The Green's have become a complete fringe party and a non entity, and I would doubt that they will be invited to the debate no matter how much queen green insano bean screams about it.

The Liberal's haven't done a good job of taking momentum due to their leadership change and they've stalled in the polls, and Ignatieff hasn't really shown much in the way of vision or smart policies whereas the Conservatives have a lot of ammo in the bag.

If there's anytime for the conservatives to gain a majority, its now, because I'm hoping that there will be a severe backlash against the Liberal's calling a wastfull pointless election.

[Incogneto]

Anything to get rid of Harper. The guy is just bad for the country. I would LOVE a Prentice-led Conservative party.

[zukes]

If the Liberals are basing this whole election on the economy, I would think that most Canadians would realize that the fall had little to do with what party was in power.

This may actually work against the Liberals and lead to a majority government.

[nik-]

Originally Posted by InCoGnEtO

Anything to get rid of Harper. The guy is just bad for the country. I would LOVE a Prentice-led Conservative party.

With the added bonus of the RCMP kicking in the doors of downloaders!

[LChoy]

In a campaign-style address to supporters in Sudbury, Ont., Liberal Leader Michael Ignatieff said Tuesday that Harper has failed to meet the four conditions the Liberals set out for him in June to remain in power.
"You’ve failed to protect the most vulnerable, you’ve failed to create jobs, you’ve failed to defend our health care, you’ve failed to restore our public finances," Ignatieff said.
http://www.cbc.ca/canada/story/2009/...als090109.html

Personal thoughts:
Create jobs and restore public finances are hard to judge Harper on imo. I think no matter who was in charge, the Libs or the Cons, Ontario's manufacturing and car industry was going to get hit no matter what. Same goes with the current state of finances

Failed to defend Health Care - Probably my most informed issue of the four. I understood the PMO's statement that they don't want to get involved with the Politics of another country, but the Americans trashing of our Health Care system had a lot of Canadians upset about it. I wish there was a little more direction from the Prime Minister to counter what was being said over the border. Health care in general is hard for the public to judge since services are provided provincially. On our OCED rankings, we remain pretty much the same. The Feds did order 52 million flu vaccines and have been pretty consistent with warning Canadians about Swine Flu. As for the other stuff like wait times, shortages, and other contentious issues, it's more of a Provincial matter

Failed to protect the vulnerable. The last one I think will more refer to the woman that was trapped in Sudan (since as mentioned above, Khadre is a political landmine)

Other topics that Canadians will be evaluating:
- Buy American policy in the States
- Recent emphasis on Artic Soveriegnty
- Committment to Afghanistan
- Harmonized sales Tax (for everyone but Alberta I think)

[Savvy27]

Ugh. I'm no fan of the Conservatives but I don't see a Liberal minority being any better than a Conservative minority. Actually, I think we'll be worse off regardless of the winner because parties are going to be making stupid promises that they can't keep just to get in power instead of focusing on being steady and waiting for the economy to recover.

I suppose Ignatieff must think that he can come out on top against Harper in a tight election. I wouldn't be so sure...

[BlackArcher101]

How do Ontarions feel about this though? I imagine their viewpoint is different, relying so much on Manufacturing. Maybe this is what the Liberals are hoping for? A clean sweep of Ontario? That's the part that worries me.