Best way to get in shape?

[Azure]

Originally Posted by HOOT

Also as you may have noticed once we asked for studies showing the negative effects of Creatine the haters disappeared never to return.

I had a big argument with a member on here about a year ago regarding the same subject.

He couldn't come up with the negative effects either.

I've used it, I've liked it....its helped me, but I don't always use it.

Simply put....if you're pulling a 450# Deadlift, Creatine can give you an edge.

[HOOT]

Originally Posted by Azure

I had a big argument with a member on here about a year ago regarding the same subject.

He couldn't come up with the negative effects either.

I've used it, I've liked it....its helped me, but I don't always use it.

Simply put....if you're pulling a 450# Deadlift, Creatine can give you an edge.

I've had arguments with people where they actually believe it was an illegal substance. Its amazing how much information is at our finger tips yet people still believe this stuff.

[troutman]

Why Exercise Won't Make You Thin

By John Cloud Sunday, Aug. 09, 2009

http://www.time.com/time/health/arti...4857-2,00.html

"In general, for weight loss, exercise is pretty useless," says Eric Ravussin, chair in diabetes and metabolism at Louisiana State University and a prominent exercise researcher. Many recent studies have found that exercise isn't as important in helping people lose weight as you hear so regularly in gym advertisements or on shows like The Biggest Loser — or, for that matter, from magazines like this one.

The basic problem is that while it's true that exercise burns calories and that you must burn calories to lose weight, exercise has another effect: it can stimulate hunger. That causes us to eat more, which in turn can negate the weight-loss benefits we just accrued. Exercise, in other words, isn't necessarily helping us lose weight. It may even be making it harder.

If evolution didn't program us to lose weight through exercise, what did it program us to do? Doesn't exercise do anything?

Sure. It does plenty. In addition to enhancing heart health and helping prevent disease, exercise improves your mental health and cognitive ability.

Many obesity researchers now believe that very frequent, low-level physical activity — the kind humans did for tens of thousands of years before the leaf blower was invented — may actually work better for us than the occasional bouts of exercise you get as a gym rat.

In short, it's what you eat, not how hard you try to work it off, that matters more in losing weight. You should exercise to improve your health, but be warned: fiery spurts of vigorous exercise could lead to weight gain.

[Azure]

Originally Posted by HOOT

I've had arguments with people where they actually believe it was an illegal substance. Its amazing how much information is at our finger tips yet people still believe this stuff.

Okay....question.

I bought some Creatine at Walmart yesterday, without looking at the label.

It has 170 calories per scoop, 30 carbs, and 42 g of sugar.

What is with that?

The last batch of creatine I used came from Allmax, and they never had a label on there, so I had no idea about the macro nutrient content. Is it normal for creatine to have that much freakin' sugar?

[Ozy_Flame]

Originally Posted by troutman

Why Exercise Won't Make You Thin

By John Cloud Sunday, Aug. 09, 2009

http://www.time.com/time/health/arti...4857-2,00.html

"In general, for weight loss, exercise is pretty useless," says Eric Ravussin, chair in diabetes and metabolism at Louisiana State University and a prominent exercise researcher. Many recent studies have found that exercise isn't as important in helping people lose weight as you hear so regularly in gym advertisements or on shows like The Biggest Loser — or, for that matter, from magazines like this one.

The basic problem is that while it's true that exercise burns calories and that you must burn calories to lose weight, exercise has another effect: it can stimulate hunger. That causes us to eat more, which in turn can negate the weight-loss benefits we just accrued. Exercise, in other words, isn't necessarily helping us lose weight. It may even be making it harder.

If evolution didn't program us to lose weight through exercise, what did it program us to do? Doesn't exercise do anything?

Sure. It does plenty. In addition to enhancing heart health and helping prevent disease, exercise improves your mental health and cognitive ability.

Many obesity researchers now believe that very frequent, low-level physical activity — the kind humans did for tens of thousands of years before the leaf blower was invented — may actually work better for us than the occasional bouts of exercise you get as a gym rat.

Such is the "vicious cycle" of wanting to become a bodybuilder. You have to consume copious amounts of (good) calories, but you exercise just as much to burn the dead weight off.

Ultimately losing weight comes down to your diet first, and then your exercising. You may have a solid six-pack underneath just from everyday activities, but no one is going to see it unless you eat the right stuff, including vegetables and low-fat sources of protein.

And more so, you shouldn't be eating until you're full; you should only be eating until you're not hungry. Spread out 5 healthy little meals over the course of the day, and it's an ideal solution to weight loss

[troutman]

Quackwatch on Creatine Supplements:

http://www.quackwatch.org/01Quackery.../creatine.html

There appears to be some potential for creatine supplementation. However, many questions remain. Are there any long-term harmful effects from supplementation? Is there a point where enhanced performance levels off from long-term supplement usage? What effect does "stacking" or taking two ergogenic aids simultaneously have on the body? What happens if you immediately stop taking the creatine supplement? Is the enhanced performance great enough to warrant the expense of the supplement? Until further research answers these questions, creatine is not recommended for the average athlete.

[Azure]

Originally Posted by troutman

Why Exercise Won't Make You Thin

Even Gary Taubes has been saying that for a long time now.

Know what will make you lose fat? Not eating carbs.

Can someone write a mainstream article about that already?

[The Ditch]

I subscribe to the theory that no one is above the laws of the universe, everyone is going to be subject to the laws of thermodynamics, it doesn't matter where you get the calories 1 calorie is 1 calorie.

Everyone will have a different resting metabolic rate, to lose weight you need to burn more calories then you take in. Exercising regularly and eating healthy will help your metabolic rate making it easier to burn calories.

[Azure]

Originally Posted by The Ditch

I subscribe to the theory that no one is above the laws of the universe, everyone is going to be subject to the laws of thermodynamics, it doesn't matter where you get the calories 1 calorie is 1 calorie.

It doesn't seem a bit strange to you that each calories is then the same?

Carbs, protein, fat....they all process through your body the same way?

Because they don't.

Sure, 1 calories is 1 calories....but you have to blatantly ignore how your body regulates fat, and the role insulin plays in order to believe that simply cutting calories is the only way to lose fat.

[HOOT]

Originally Posted by Azure

Okay....question.

I bought some Creatine at Walmart yesterday, without looking at the label.

It has 170 calories per scoop, 30 carbs, and 42 g of sugar.

What is with that?

The last batch of creatine I used came from Allmax, and they never had a label on there, so I had no idea about the macro nutrient content. Is it normal for creatine to have that much freakin' sugar?

Yes. It needs a way to transfer the Creatine to your system and from what I have read is sugar is the best way to do it.

This is another reason why I prefer Kre-Alklyn over Creatine. 0 Carbs, 0 Sugars, 0 Calories. Because it is already broken down the body does not need a delivery system for the supplement.

[The Ditch]

Originally Posted by Azure

It doesn't seem a bit strange to you that each calories is then the same?

Carbs, protein, fat....they all process through your body the same way?

Because they don't.

Sure, 1 calories is 1 calories....but you have to blatantly ignore how your body regulates fat, and the role insulin plays in order to believe that simply cutting calories is the only way to lose fat.

I guess it's simplistic but I've never had a BMI over 20 (I know BMI is inaccurate, doesn't take into account muscle mass blah blah), never had my body fat % over 10, it's about 8 right now. Maybe I just have freak genetics but I usually will just base what my calorie intake that day should be around how active I am going to be. I exercise 6 days a week for at least 30 minutes.

[Azure]

Originally Posted by HOOT

Yes. It needs a way to transfer the Creatine to your system and from what I have read is sugar is the best way to do it.

This is another reason why I prefer Kre-Alklyn over Creatine. 0 Carbs, 0 Sugars, 0 Calories. Because it is already broken down the body does not need a delivery system for the supplement.

Interesting.

I didn't really pay attention earlier when you guys were discussing it, thats why I'm asking now.

[Flame Of Liberty]

Originally Posted by Azure

Okay....question.

I bought some Creatine at Walmart yesterday, without looking at the label.

It has 170 calories per scoop, 30 carbs, and 42 g of sugar.

What is with that?

The last batch of creatine I used came from Allmax, and they never had a label on there, so I had no idea about the macro nutrient content. Is it normal for creatine to have that much freakin' sugar?

You probably bought a combo, similar to Muscletech's Halo. Creatine monohydrate should always be 100% pure. Why would you pay extra for freakin' sugar???

[NoWorries]

Originally Posted by Azure

Even Gary Taubes has been saying that for a long time now.

Know what will make you lose fat? Not eating carbs.

Can someone write a mainstream article about that already?

Carbs themselves are not evil...it is the source of the carbs that is the problem - especially in the typical north american diet:

http://www.fitnessspotlight.com/2009...okinawa-diets/

Incidently though, I consume about 30 % protein, 60% fat, and 10% carbs...mmmmm, 5 whole eggs almost every morning fried in bacon fat (pastured pork from a local farmer, nitrate free and cured naturally)!

Originally Posted by The Ditch

I subscribe to the theory that no one is above the laws of the universe, everyone is going to be subject to the laws of thermodynamics, it doesn't matter where you get the calories 1 calorie is 1 calorie.

Everyone will have a different resting metabolic rate, to lose weight you need to burn more calories then you take in. Exercising regularly and eating healthy will help your metabolic rate making it easier to burn calories.

Originally Posted by Azure

It doesn't seem a bit strange to you that each calories is then the same?

Carbs, protein, fat....they all process through your body the same way?

Because they don't.

Sure, 1 calories is 1 calories....but you have to blatantly ignore how your body regulates fat, and the role insulin plays in order to believe that simply cutting calories is the only way to lose fat.

Originally Posted by The Ditch

I guess it's simplistic but I've never had a BMI over 20 (I know BMI is inaccurate, doesn't take into account muscle mass blah blah), never had my body fat % over 10, it's about 8 right now. Maybe I just have freak genetics but I usually will just base what my calorie intake that day should be around how active I am going to be. I exercise 6 days a week for at least 30 minutes.

In my opinion not all calories are created equal.

It does matter where the calories come from because they are handled differently by our bodies and different bodies will handle protein, fat and carbs differently as well.

Essentially, each individual needs to find out what works for them, as everyone will be different. But to do that it is easier if you know how your body handles the different macro nutrients.

Here is a good read:

http://www.fitnessspotlight.com/univ...metabolism.htm

[rubecube]

Originally Posted by NoWorries

Incidently though, I consume about 30 % protein, 60% fat, and 10% carbs...mmmmm, 5 whole eggs almost every morning fried in bacon fat (pastured pork from a local farmer, nitrate free and cured naturally)!

Yeah, I was allocating carbs, fats and proteins into 1/3s before and I wasn't cutting fat the way I wanted to. Switched up to 50% fat, 25% protein, 25% carbs and I've been shedding pretty quickly. I'm going to try to up my protein and drop the carbs by about 5%.

[habernac]

yes, changing your diet can make you lose weight. But to say exercise is "pretty useless" is a bit of a bold statement. Must have been magic that made me lose 30 pounds. Oh, wait... it was all that pedalling to work and back every day that did it. I changed nothing in my diet.

[NoWorries]

Originally Posted by rubecube

Yeah, I was allocating carbs, fats and proteins into 1/3s before and I wasn't cutting fat the way I wanted to. Switched up to 50% fat, 25% protein, 25% carbs and I've been shedding pretty quickly. I'm going to try to up my protein and drop the carbs by about 5%.

Great work! That's how you find out what works for you...make a change and see how your body responds!

[rubecube]

Originally Posted by habernac

yes, changing your diet can make you lose weight. But to say exercise is "pretty useless" is a bit of a bold statement. Must have been magic that made me lose 30 pounds. Oh, wait... it was all that pedalling to work and back every day that did it. I changed nothing in my diet.

Exactly what I said when Cowperson posted that article earlier in thread. The article is incredibly misleading. Of course you're not going to lose weight if your eating habits don't improve along with the excersise you're doing.

[NoWorries]

Originally Posted by habernac

yes, changing your diet can make you lose weight. But to say exercise is "pretty useless" is a bit of a bold statement. Must have been magic that made me lose 30 pounds. Oh, wait... it was all that pedalling to work and back every day that did it. I changed nothing in my diet.

Exercise will also send signals to your body on how to adapt to the stress (exercise) you put on it. Also, the type of exercise you do will play a role in your body composition. Compare the bodies of a sprinter vs a marathoner...

[NoWorries]

Originally Posted by rubecube

Exactly what I said when Cowperson posted that article earlier in thread. The article is incredibly misleading. Of course you're not going to lose weight if your eating habits don't improve along with the excersise you're doing.

Yup, body composition is ~80 % diet.