Tell me there's nothing wrong with America

[bcb]

Originally Posted by Zarathustra

What good is going to come from a man carrying a combat weapon on his back in the streets of a city in the developed world? This is not Kabul.


Oh yeah totally. Because a registered gun owner has never used a legally purchased gun in any crimes or murders or anything!

Oh, well plenty of so-called law abiding people have committed violent crimes without guns as well.

[Zarathustra]

Originally Posted by bcb

It's the principle, set out in the second amendment, not the location.

To quote the great human rights lawyer Irwin Cotler,

"A right is a right is a right"

And this is why these American stereotypes exist.

[Azure]

Originally Posted by Zarathustra

Totally. Because using a weapon designed to kill is pretty much the same thing as drinking a beer!

Unfortunately, my friend, you are the one with flawed logic. You sound like a 10 year old. "Screw you mom, I can do whatever I want, it's a free country!"

Because I can do whatever I want....provided it is within the law.

And making a law that bans people from going to the range and shooting a bunch of targets twice a week is stupid, and it will never get passed.

I don't judge people for doing things I don't agree with. As long as they are within the law, how can I judge?

The 'holier than thou' attitude against guns is a bit ridiculous.

Especially when numerous people have already pointed out that while guns can be indeed used to kill people, they aren't for the most part. And yet, for some reason that is still a problem.

[mikey_the_redneck]

Originally Posted by Zarathustra

Maybe it's just me, but for some reason, when I think of a man carrying a loaded automatic Rambo-style weapon on his back during a rally in Phoenix, the first word that comes to my mind is stupidity, not freedom.

You know, I don't necessarily agree with carrying a gun like that in public either, but the guy is trying to make a statement for his rights at the rally. If you watch this 1-minute video interview with him, you will notice that not one of the other people in attendance appear to be bothered or uncomfortable by him carrying the gun. They are all in close proximity and it is no big deal. It looks like everyone is having a good time actually. To me, the media just took this and spun it way out of proportion.

Quit watching Rambo and applying that image to your typical gun owner.

http://www.infowars.com/man-exercisi...in-and-simple/

[bcb]

Originally Posted by Zarathustra

And this is why these American stereotypes exist.

Fine, stereotype me as well, then. I support the all or none version of a law. Either it applies, or it doesn't.

Perhaps you enjoy the sight of lawyers haggling over the extent to which you're entitled to a given right, but I don't.

[Zarathustra]

Originally Posted by Azure

And yet, for some reason that is still a problem.

Again, the problem is that guns are designed to kill.

Do you understand why people think that it may be a bad idea to allow people to openly carry around weapons that are designed to kill?

[bcb]

Originally Posted by Zarathustra

Again, the problem is that guns are can be used to kill.

Do you understand why some people think that it may be a bad idea to allow people to use their constitutionally entrenched right to openly carry around weapons that are designed to kill?

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[Azure]

Originally Posted by Zarathustra

Again, the problem is that guns are designed to kill.

Do you understand why people think that it may be a bad idea to allow people to openly carry around weapons that are designed to kill?

No, I don't see the problem at all.

Saying guns are 'designed to kill'....is a very vague definition of what guns actually do. What if they kill someone in self defense? What if they kill someone accidentally? What if they kill deer that puts food on your table?

And what if....despite being 'designed to kill'....they're not really used that way, and instead, the majority of the people who own guns are target shooters. Which they are, BTW.

[Zarathustra]

Originally Posted by bcb

Fixed

We've already went over this kiddo. Guns are designed to kill, just admit it and get over it.

But it's cute that you're trying to be clever.

It's also legal in Arizona to own one dildo. However owning two is illegal. So I assume you own a dildo, since it's within your rights!?

[Azure]

Originally Posted by Zarathustra

We've already went over this kiddo. Guns are designed to kill, just admit it and get over it.

But it's cute that you're trying to be clever.

It's also legal in Arizona to own one dildo. However owning two is illegal. So I assume you own a dildo, since it's within your rights!?

There is nothing in the constitution that says anything about the right to bear dildos.

[Zarathustra]

Originally Posted by Azure

There is nothing in the constitution that says anything about the right to bear dildos.

Take it easy bud. It's called a joke.

[bcb]

Originally Posted by Zarathustra

We've already went over this kiddo. Guns are designed to kill, just admit it and get over it.

But it's cute that you're trying to be clever.

It's also legal in Arizona to own one dildo. However owning two is illegal. So I assume you own a dildo, since it's within your rights!?

You can assume two things:
1.) I am not a kiddo, so no need to be condescending.
2.) I don't live in Arizona, so the 'dildo law' doesn't apply to me

[Azure]

Originally Posted by Zarathustra

Take it easy bud. It's called a joke.

Why do you hate dildos so much?

[mikey_the_redneck]

Originally Posted by Zarathustra

Oh yeah totally. Because a registered gun owner has never used a legally purchased gun in any crimes or murders or anything!

Check the stats...............it is pretty rare. The vast majority of guns used in crime are illegally acquired.
http://www.publicsafety.gc.ca/media/...116-2-eng.aspx

Quote;
Crime Statistics

• There are nearly 7 million registered long-guns in Canada. Yet of 2,441 homicides recorded in Canada since mandatory long-gun registration was introduced in 2003, fewer than 2 percent (47) were committed with rifles and shotguns known to have been registered. (Canadian Centre for Justice Statistics).
• Illegal smuggling by organized crime is by far the principal source of firearms on our streets. Indeed, the Vancouver police report that 97 percent of firearms seized in 2003 were illegal guns smuggled in from the United States, usually by organized crime (Vancouver Police, Strategic Plan 2004-08

[Zarathustra]

Originally Posted by Azure

Why do you hate dildos so much?

The terrorists will win if we allow dildos to corrupt our society!

[Zarathustra]

Originally Posted by mikey_the_redneck

Check the stats...............it is pretty rare. The vast majority of guns used in crime are illegally acquired.
http://www.publicsafety.gc.ca/media/...116-2-eng.aspx

Quote;
Crime Statistics

• There are nearly 7 million registered long-guns in Canada. Yet of 2,441 homicides recorded in Canada since mandatory long-gun registration was introduced in 2003, fewer than 2 percent (47) were committed with rifles and shotguns known to have been registered. (Canadian Centre for Justice Statistics).
• Illegal smuggling by organized crime is by far the principal source of firearms on our streets. Indeed, the Vancouver police report that 97 percent of firearms seized in 2003 were illegal guns smuggled in from the United States, usually by organized crime (Vancouver Police, Strategic Plan 2004-08

LOL. Yeah those 47 murders are nothing! Who cares about those 47 murders, they are insignificant! Tell that to the families of the deceased.

I'm actually very surprised at high how high that number is, especially being in Canada. I'd love to see how the American numbers compare.

[mikey_the_redneck]

Originally Posted by Zarathustra

LOL. Yeah those 47 murders are nothing! Who cares about those 47 murders, they are insignificant! Tell that to the families of the deceased.

I'm actually very surprised at high how high that number is, especially being in Canada. I'd love to see how the American numbers compare.

Well, I would say that 47 homicides out of 7 million long guns since 2003 is a pretty good rate.
I wonder how many people have died since 2003 from just playing recreation sports? Dangeous I tells ya.......

[longsuffering]

Originally Posted by Zarathustra

Unfortunately, my friend, you are the one with flawed logic. You sound like a 10 year old. "Screw you mom, I can do whatever I want, it's a free country!"

I was going to suggest Azure is beginning to sound like a Freeman on the land with his "its a frickin' free country, and I can do whatever the hell I want as long as it doesn't harm anyone else", but yeah, a 10 year old is a decent enough analogy.

[longsuffering]

Originally Posted by mikey_the_redneck

• Illegal smuggling by organized crime is by far the principal source of firearms on our streets. Indeed, the Vancouver police report that 97 percent of firearms seized in 2003 were illegal guns smuggled in from the United States, usually by organized crime (Vancouver Police, Strategic Plan 2004-08

Thanks Mikey! You just provided the clearest explanation as to why Canadians are so concerned about how easy it is for anyone to buy a gun in the US. Even legally purchased weapons bought in the US can be illegally smuggled into Canada.

[ResAlien]

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