Zeitgeist, 9/11, and Other Conspiracies

[Bring_Back_Shantz]

Originally Posted by Tower

There are lawful processes which must be taken in everything. It is not just letters. It is the process and that process is recorded and public record. All parties received NOTICE and have ample time to discuss. Also the wording is much different than what you're posting.

Money is not what you think it is. I would be acting just like a bank does. Are you saying banks are acting illegally? Cash is not money, it's a promise to pay at a later date when real money is in circulation. Fiat Currency isn't "real". You are accepting more responsability by doing everything yourself. I waive all benefits and take that responsibility for myself.

Admiralty law has EVERYTHING to do with it. Your registration basically is like an unmaned boat out at sea. Nobody there to claim it is theirs so it is claimed as salvage. You're then married to the province and your husband/wife...


Think about it this way.

You own your car right? Now if it is yours how can it be towed away against your consent? It would be stealing and holding it hostage is fraud and extortion.

However now you have registered it. Your car also belongs to the registered party as well. They are not stealing only claiming it as you are misusing their property by excessive speeding or driving drunk (egs of a car being towed). Now pay up or you will never see your car again!!!!

Yes driving drunk is irresponsible from my freeman-on-the-land view. I do not condone it...

Also the BC water site is not loading for me. I'll get to it when I can get on the site.

Okay, your reasoning as to why maritime salvage laws have anything to do with a marriage makes no sense so I'll just address your asseration that my car is owned by the province because I've registered it.

If the province owns my car then why is it unlawful for the province to take my car unless it is being used in a way that violates the law?

Edit: I just re-read why you think I'm married to the province and my wife (assuming I had one) and that doesn't make any sense. If it is similar to salvage laws, then wouldn't I be ONLY married to the province as it is the entity that claimed my registration?

For that matter if I haven't registered my car then why is it legal for the province to just take it away from me if I'm driving it, not doing anything illegal, other than driving it without being registered? By your reasoning if I haven't registered it then it is unlawful for the province to take it from me as they don't own it.

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by Cowboy89

I shall remedy one rock with my name signed on it. I trust it will be accepted it as appropriate specie!

Make sure that you give Tower the proper change of three bottle caps, one dead bird and a slightly used condom.

[Phaneuf3]

Originally Posted by Bring_Back_Shantz

Okay, your reasoning as to why maritime salvage laws have anything to do with a marriage makes no sense so I'll just address your asseration that my car is owned by the province because I've registered it.

If the province owns my car then why is it unlawful for the province to take my car unless it is being used in a way that violates the law?

Edit: I just re-read why you think I'm married to the province and my wife (assuming I had one) and that doesn't make any sense. If it is similar to salvage laws, then wouldn't I be ONLY married to the province as it is the entity that claimed my registration?

For that matter if I haven't registered my car then why is it legal for the province to just take it away from me if I'm driving it, not doing anything illegal, other than driving it without being registered? By your reasoning if I haven't registered it then it is unlawful for the province to take it from me as they don't own it.

oohhhhh i'll take a crack at that and channel my inner free man.

its legal for them to take it if you're driving without registration because you've consented to abide by an act which authorizes them to do so. its kind of a catch 22 and the only way to get around it is to revoke your consent to be governed by these acts.

[Tower]

I am not a lawyer and these are only opinions and not advice.



Many do not know the difference between legal and lawful, illegal and unlawful...

Legal is anything in Acts or Statues...
Lawful is Common Law...

Illegal is breaking a statue or act...
Unlawful is breaking Common Law.

If I have a legal name it's - First Middle Last or FIRST MIDDLE LAST this name only exists on paper... It is not a representation of a human being.

Claimant (Creditor) - FIRST MIDDLE LAST or First Middle Last
and
Respondent (Debtor) - FIRST MIDDLE LAST or First Middle Last

Lawful name this is a representation of a human being.

Claimant - First-Middle: Last
and
Respondent - First-Middle: Last

Not exactly like that as a Respondent or Debtor can not exist in real life and only on paper... (Too much right now? Did I open up a can there?)

Originally Posted by Bring_Back_Shantz

If the province owns my car then why is it unlawful for the province to take my car unless it is being used in a way that violates the law?

That wouldn't make much sense would it? Why take it if you have not done anything the PROVINCE deems illegal. That would cause a revolt as there is no logical cause (from everything you have been told), however in theory, based on what I said, it could happen.

Edit: I just re-read why you think I'm married to the province and my wife (assuming I had one) and that doesn't make any sense. If it is similar to salvage laws, then wouldn't I be ONLY married to the province as it is the entity that claimed my registration?

Your registration form is the metaphorical ship with both names - Mr. First Middle Last and Mrs. First Middle Last and THE PROVINCE OF ALBERTA at the top. (I'm guessing that is where it is as I don't have one as a reference, but the Province is always more important as it is higher on a page and/or in bigger letters.)

For that matter if I haven't registered my car then why is it legal for the province to just take it away from me if I'm driving it, not doing anything illegal, other than driving it without being registered? By your reasoning if I haven't registered it then it is unlawful for the province to take it from me as they don't own it.

It isn't illegal it's unlawful to take something that does not belong to you, but one may not know better and act upon it. If you are participating in commerce then you are driving an need a license and registration. If you are just going from one place to another you are traveling in your own private conveyance and acting lawfully and within your common law right. Like traveling in a horse and carriage a car is a private conveyance.


For the record. I am NOT against government and I'm not anti government. I do believe this government is acting corruptly and I am anti corrupt government. The more that speak out about this the stronger it gets. I would rather sit back drink a beer and watch a movie with my GF... Or maybe not "watch" the movie... Than spend all this time studying and learning about this stuff... But I feel the way we are being treated and the way we as human beings don't seem to matter anymore needs to change. This is my path that I have chosen and it is a difficult one. But I feel I am helping everyone I love in this world and the future. I'm proud of that.

It's not a LOOK WHAT I CAN DO or I'm soo important!!! I want to show people they can do it themselves. A $500 fine for traveling down the road and breaking some B.S. act is oppressive. So I remove myself from that equation and choose not to play that game. If ANYONE wishes to put on paper that I Tower-Handsome: Man is obligated to live under these Acts and Statues then they are outright calling me a slave. You think that files in Canada? Slavery is abolished. I gave the opportunity to ask many just that... You bet they wouldn't touch it with a ten foot pole and you know why? My and your common law rights exists and you are not a slave and in Canada you can not be a slave.

You are just doing what your told and reaping the "benefits"... Whatever those are. Jail is a benefit... That is why one is called an inmate and not a prisoner... Like a hospital. You accepted that benefit (You were tricked but accepted and that is good enough!)








http://www.thefreedictionary.com/inmate

[mikey_the_redneck]

Crunch has done a great job of trolling this thread.........

[Resolute 14]

Originally Posted by Tower

For the record. I am NOT against government and I'm not anti government. I do believe this government is acting corruptly and I am anti corrupt government.

Proof, please, backed up by reliable sources if you don't mind.

[Bring_Back_Shantz]

Originally Posted by Tower

Your registration form is the metaphorical ship with both names - Mr. First Middle Last and Mrs. First Middle Last and THE PROVINCE OF ALBERTA at the top. (I'm guessing that is where it is as I don't have one as a reference, but the Province is always more important as it is higher on a page and/or in bigger letters.)

Oh I see, it's the "Larger Bolded Font Rule", that's why I'm married to the province.

So when I get divorced do I get half of the province?

[Tower]

Originally Posted by Resolute 14

Proof, please, backed up by reliable sources if you don't mind.

While I understand you would like "proof" but I'm not sure what you need.

What about the whole idea (Fact) that when your name was registered by your parents at birth a legal fiction was created in your names likeness. This legal fiction gives the creator power over you as you have been tricked into thinking it is you....?

I can break down a birth certificate the you need to register with using a Law dictionary.

Stupid silly Acts that violate your rights?

[Tower]

Originally Posted by Bring_Back_Shantz

Oh I see, it's the "Larger Bolded Font Rule", that's why I'm married to the province.

So when I get divorced do I get half of the province?

GREAT QUESTION!!!!! I need to explore that one!

[Bring_Back_Shantz]

I am not a lawyer and these are only opinions and not advice.

That statment really means alot.

That wouldn't make much sense would it? Why take it if you have not done anything the PROVINCE deems illegal. That would cause a revolt as there is no logical cause (from everything you have been told), however in theory, based on what I said, it could happen.

In theory based on what I've said, I can jump off of the Calgary Tower and Fly. Neither of us has backed up what we've said with any sort of proof, or even anecdotal evidence.


It's not a LOOK WHAT I CAN DO or I'm soo important!!! I want to show people they can do it themselves. A $500 fine for traveling down the road and breaking some B.S. act is oppressive. So I remove myself from that equation and choose not to play that game. If ANYONE wishes to put on paper that I Tower-Handsome: Man is obligated to live under these Acts and Statues then they are outright calling me a slave. You think that files in Canada? Slavery is abolished. I gave the opportunity to ask many just that... You bet they wouldn't touch it with a ten foot pole and you know why? My and your common law rights exists and you are not a slave and in Canada you can not be a slave.

Well slavery was only abolised by the Slavery Abolition Act.
So I'm gonna go ahead and declare myself a Feeman-on-the-land, and absolve myself from responsibiltiy of that act, and since you are one too, then I guess I can go ahead and make you my slave. Be at my place tomorrow at 6:30 and have bacon and eggs on the table by 7:00.
Oh and shine my shoes!

[jayswin]

Originally Posted by Tower

This legal fiction gives the creator power over you as you have been tricked into thinking it is you....?

It's a good thing I didn't read this while high, my brain would have exploded.

[Bring_Back_Shantz]

Originally Posted by Tower

While I understand you would like "proof" but I'm not sure what you need.

What about the whole idea (Fact) that when your name was registered by your parents at birth a legal fiction was created in your names likeness. This legal fiction gives the creator power over you as you have been tricked into thinking it is you....?

I can break down a birth certificate the you need to register with using a Law dictionary.

Stupid silly Acts that violate your rights?

See that's the thing, you keep bringing up law dictionaries, specifically Black's law dictionary, and that's great, but unless laws specifically make reference to that dictionary, then it is compltely irrelevant.

That my friend is the real jist of Common Law. When there is some sort of grey area, or dispute over the definition or interpretation of a law, a judge can make a ruling and set a precedent. That is the defining quality of common law, not your supposed ability to just ignore laws as you see fit.

[Resolute 14]

Originally Posted by Tower

While I understand you would like "proof" but I'm not sure what you need.

What about the whole idea (Fact) that when your name was registered by your parents at birth a legal fiction was created in your names likeness. This legal fiction gives the creator power over you as you have been tricked into thinking it is you....?

I can break down a birth certificate the you need to register with using a Law dictionary.

Stupid silly Acts that violate your rights?

The fact that you scream that you are not a lawyer immediately signals to the reader that your legal opinions are not worth the electrons used to display them on the screen.

So lets start with this: I would like to see some case law where a real lawyer has successfully argued these claims. If others are as confident in your beliefs as you are, then this should be easy for you to provide.

[Bring_Back_Shantz]

Originally Posted by Resolute 14

The fact that you scream that you are not a lawyer immediately signals to the reader that your legal opinions are not worth the elections used to display them on the screen.

So lets start with this: I would like to see some case law where a real lawyer has successfully argued these claims. If others are as confident in your beliefs as you are, then this should be easy for you to provide.

Hey, stop demanding things of my slave.

Now that I've figured out that I can make Lawfully make Tower my slave, I don't want him looking into case law about being a Freeman-on-the-land for two reasons

1) it could lead to him figuring out that it makes no sense, and he doesn't have to be my slave
and
2) it takes up time that he could spend cooking bacon and eggs for me

[RougeUnderoos]

Originally Posted by Tower

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You are just doing what your told and reaping the "benefits"... Whatever those are. Jail is a benefit... That is why one is called an inmate and not a prisoner... Like a hospital. You accepted that benefit (You were tricked but accepted and that is good enough!)

What does this even mean? We all know that an inmate is a prisoner. They are just interchangeable words. It's no different than me saying "you think you have a car, but you really have an automobile. You've been tricked".

Anyway, comparing our (by our I mean "us") situation to slavery is ridiculous. The people reading this forum live easier and longer lives than 99.9% of all the other people that have ever been alive. That's not generally how slaves were treated in the past.

If, as you seem to believe, there is some sinister overlord out there pushing all the buttons and enslaving us without our noticing, he's not doing a bad job.

[Tower]

Originally Posted by Bring_Back_Shantz

I am not a lawyer and these are only opinions and not advice.

That statment really means alot.

That wouldn't make much sense would it? Why take it if you have not done anything the PROVINCE deems illegal. That would cause a revolt as there is no logical cause (from everything you have been told), however in theory, based on what I said, it could happen.

In theory based on what I've said, I can jump off of the Calgary Tower and Fly. Neither of us has backed up what we've said with any sort of proof, or even anecdotal evidence.


It's not a LOOK WHAT I CAN DO or I'm soo important!!! I want to show people they can do it themselves. A $500 fine for traveling down the road and breaking some B.S. act is oppressive. So I remove myself from that equation and choose not to play that game. If ANYONE wishes to put on paper that I Tower-Handsome: Man is obligated to live under these Acts and Statues then they are outright calling me a slave. You think that files in Canada? Slavery is abolished. I gave the opportunity to ask many just that... You bet they wouldn't touch it with a ten foot pole and you know why? My and your common law rights exists and you are not a slave and in Canada you can not be a slave.

Well slavery was only abolised by the Slavery Abolition Act.
So I'm gonna go ahead and declare myself a Feeman-on-the-land, and absolve myself from responsibiltiy of that act, and since you are one too, then I guess I can go ahead and make you my slave. Be at my place tomorrow at 6:30 and have bacon and eggs on the table by 7:00.
Oh and shine my shoes!

LOL - Yup, you don't want to be serious. Whatever. We are done.

[Blaster86]

Originally Posted by Tower

Whatever. We are done.

Promise?

[Bring_Back_Shantz]

Originally Posted by Tower

LOL - Yup, you don't want to be serious. Whatever. We are done.

Am I using an extreme example, sure, but I am 100% serious.

You say you are not bound by any Acts, well if I declare myself a Freeman-on-the-land, thereby freeing me from the yoke of the Slavery Aboltion Act, then what is stopping me from making you my slave?

If you can show me where it is written in Common Law that I can't make you my slave, the I'll concede the point, but you made the claim that we can't own slaves in Canada. I've shown you the Act that binds the rest of Canadians from doing just that, so if you can show me where in Common Law it says that I can't have a slave then I'll leave it alone. Otherwise, I'm sending Stephen Harper a letter, and start getting someone to cook me breakfast.

[Tower]

Originally Posted by Bring_Back_Shantz

Am I using an extreme example, sure, but I am 100% serious.

You say you are not bound by any Acts, well if I declare myself a Freeman-on-the-land, thereby freeing me from the yoke of the Slavery Aboltion Act, then what is stopping me from making you my slave?

If you can show me where it is written in Common Law that I can't make you my slave, the I'll concede the point, but you made the claim that we can't own slaves in Canada. I've shown you the Act that binds the rest of Canadians from doing just that, so if you can show me where in Common Law it says that I can't have a slave then I'll leave it alone. Otherwise, I'm sending Stephen Harper a letter, and start getting someone to cook me breakfast.

I disagree 100%. I offered to you a place of discussion under terms and you agreed. I am participating with honour and you sir are in dishonour. You have chosen to make a mockery of this discussion and are acting malicious.

You have a remedy here. Until that is cured I will not discuss this with you further.

[Resolute 14]

Waiting on that case law.