Guns, I don't care who you are as long as you are responsible with them. Own a tank if you want. Mistreat someone with it and watch that tank go by by.
You're kidding right? Why? theres alot of truth to that post. Says some things that epitomize American culture. To me guns and killing people, and the 2nd amendment are offensive.
I'm sure I could get away with a similar post rattling off all of the stereotypical Canadian beahviors/traits (largely untrue) and nobody here would be offended?
There are some posters here who have some serious anti-American sentiment that resonates beyond disliking policy and government. I find it disturbing and sad.
There are fat people in Canada who don't have a clue where Ohio is.
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I can't believed I just thanked a flip post. UNFREAKINGBELIEVABLE!
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I'm sure I could get away with a similar post rattling off all of the stereotypical Canadian beahviors/traits (largely untrue) and nobody here would be offended?
There are some posters here who have some serious anti-American sentiment that resonates beyond disliking policy and government. I find it disturbing and sad.
I watched a King of the Hill episode where a Canadian visits the Texan town and is depitced as a sanctimonious jackass.
Hit the nail on the head.
Us Canadians have become so full of ourselves and how great we are that we lost the good-natured humility that made us great.
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What I hate is the false boogeyman that righties in the United States set up regarding gun rights. Most democrats (including the President) don't have any problem with someone owning a gun. The only issue those on the left have is with irresponsible gun owners. You don't need to be carrying weapons out in the open like the protestor did in Phoenix yesterday. And gun stores need to stop selling weapons to known criminals.
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I watched a King of the Hill episode where a Canadian visits the Texan town and is depitced as a sanctimonious jackass.
Hit the nail on the head.
Us Canadians have become so full of ourselves and how great we are that we lost the good-natured humility that made us great.
What amazes me most is how many people, on both sides of the border, have no clue how interconnected we are through personal relationships. They cling to the uncanny power of that imaginary line to make us so different that one side is infinitely superior to the other.
So naive.
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What I hate is the false boogeyman that righties in the United States set up regarding gun rights. Most democrats (including the President) don't have any problem with someone owning a gun. The only issue those on the left have is with irresponsible gun owners. You don't need to be carrying weapons out in the open like the protestor did in Phoenix yesterday. And gun stores need to stop selling weapons to known criminals.
Great post. Like I said earlier, I've grown up with guns and hunting. Never been a member of the NRA for that exact reason. It's all or nothing with those people. Slippery slope my ass.
Same with both factions of the abortion debate.
__________________ I am in love with Montana. For other states I have admiration, respect, recognition, even some affection, but with Montana it is love." - John Steinbeck
I'm sure I could get away with a similar post rattling off all of the stereotypical Canadian beahviors/traits (largely untrue) and nobody here would be offended?
There are some posters here who have some serious anti-American sentiment that resonates beyond disliking policy and government. I find it disturbing and sad.
There are fat people in Canada who don't have a clue where Ohio is.
I blame Tim Horton's and Molson for their commercials brainwashing certain Canadians into becoming self righteous ######bags, and I blame the multiculturalism policy for the other's that consider themselves Canadians 2nd.
I can't believed I just thanked a flip post. UNFREAKINGBELIEVABLE!
YAY.
One thing I would like to point out DFF, because we have clashed before, is how the negative generalizations about a group are always hated and despised but the positive generalizations are embraced.
Candadians love being known (to a varying degree) for being nice, polite, friendly, fun loving, beer drinking people.
We don't like being known as a bunch of igloo dwelling hicks that are still living in the stone age.
Unfortunately for you Americans is that most of the stereotypes are negative. The fat, gun toting, 2nd amendment spewing mid-Westerner stereotype seems to be really prevalent.
I only point this out because I know you and a few of the other Yanks seem to get pretty rattled when these stereotypes are brought up. I'll say two things: First, don't worry, just because we are making generalizations doesn't mean we believe it to be true of every last soul. Second, though is that these stereotypes weren't just made up for no reason.
DFF I find it ironic that you are defending the sweeping generalizations and yet thanked Gozer's post which makes a sweeping generalization about Canadians which I find offensive (and I rarely get offended).
I am proud of all things Canadian, have stereotypes about Americans that so far have somewhat proved to be true (stupid NY people were WAY too friendly compared to what I was expecting), and I certainly don't believe that Gozer's ridiculous description of us (canadians) being a bunch of "sanctimonious jackasses" is fair or warranted. We are far from "full of ourselves" nor have we "lost the good-natured humility that made us great."
What I will say is that Canadians are slowly but surely developing an identity because I think, generally, Canadians have lacked a proud sense of ourselves. One thing is for sure, the stereotype of patriotic Americans was firmly reinforced when I visited the US and I do not mean that in a way that is synonymous with "arrogant dicks", although sometimes it certainly can be.
To think that Gozer is ashamed that Canadians seem to be embracing an identity, even one that has us labeled sanctimonious by some s****y ass tv show, is fine by me (although I think it is pretty sad and quite ridiculous).
I don't think this is a gun control debate so I'll steer clear of that debate that is ongoing in this thread.
I do believe it is a 2nd amendment debate and in and of itself, without considering "Canadian style gun control" or the social contexts of gun violence in the US, it is my belief that the 2nd amendment is complete and utter BS, when used in the context of walking around with assault rifles in public places.
By that I mean that it was totally appropriate and relevant when it was created and for about 100 years after that, and that is not to say it might not be relevant again. However, as it stands now, almost NO ONE should be using the 2nd amendment to defend gun toting needlessly around, unless they genuinely feel they are being oppressed by the wicked government and want to form a militia.
Unfortunately for anyone who wants to form a militia the country isn't actually tyrannical enough to warrant it and they should just STFU and talk to their elected official or go to court.
Until the country is in disarray and ordinary, innocent citizens are being dragged away in the middle of the night Nazi Germany style, anyone who uses the 2nd amendment to defend their right to carry around a gun in public is a fool.
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I'm a bit lost at why this is an issue. Guy was carrying a visible gun in public. He was not breaking any laws. OK, fine with me.
I'm not pro or anti gun by any means, my apathy outweighs any concerns, but while the laws are the laws, well, so be it. You wanna rock a fully legal assault rifle in a crowd? Go to town buddy.
I remember reading stories out of Texas after the VT Shootings (a campus where the possession of guns are banned, FYI - I'm surprised Cho wasn't deterred by this law...). Students were saying that Cho would have gotten off a few rounds before being taken out by fellow students. I assume that means it's legal to carry a concealed weapon on campus at least in certain places in Texas.
Maybe in a private university but not on any public campus.
The problem isn't really the legal guns per se, however, having so many easily accessible avenues for legally obtaining assault weapons is bound to increase the number of "bad guys" who also get them. You basically create an arms race among the citizens and it would be really hard to convince me that makes for a safer country
I bet many weapons that were illegally purchased were at one time obtained legally.
The whole weapons thing seems to be cultural in America. I'd still live there just for the weather though...
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I love it when Canadians bash Americans over there right to carry arms. I suggest you read a US History book sometime. They actually had to FIGHT for their independence, they didnt just let some oppressive British regime run them into the ground and then negotiate their peaceful release. There is a reason its a constitutional right. Because the founding fathers in their wisdom knew that everyone who has power, will at some point try to use that power against those not in power. And those not in power need some way to fight back, in the US that is by private citizens owning assault rifles among other things.
Did that person fire his Assault rifle at that rally? Did anyone die at that rally? Did anyone strap C4 to their chest and blow up any protesters? Comparing them to jihadist pricks is sickening.
This.
The second amendment does not exist so people can go out and shoot bears. It exists so people can go out and shoot corrupt gov't.
More or less.
I dont get all warm and fuzzy seeing a guy pack around a automatic assault rifle, but it his his right. People can choose to exercise their rights if they feel compelled to do so. I dont see what all the fuss is here.
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Yeah, USA! Woooooooooo!!! America, f*** yeah! Do you want to arm wrestle? I was so inspired by your rhetoric I'm going to driver a Hummer 160km per hour down a toll highway and blast some Springsteen while tossing gernades and styrofoam containers of the Big Macs I just inhaled on the side of the road. The US is the best! That's why they have never lost a war.
No one died this time. What about next time or the time after that? How many presidents of the US have been assassinated? And many, many, MANY civilized nations don't grant their citizens the "god-given right" to bare arms, and like Canada, have a much lower crime and murder rate per capita than the United States. But hey, if people want to carry guns and kill each other in the US, why do I care?
Your BS stereotypical post about the US would be more offensive if your knowledge of the American culture didn't include thinking that Springsteen goes along with the rest of that stuff. Way to go...
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Also, those that think an AK-47 is a banned firearm in Canada obviously know nothing about our gun laws.
A semi auto AK-47 is 100% completely legal. Now, why you would want to use a lead chucking POS with a spaghetti esque barrel for hunting game is beyond me, but they are in fact legal.
Also, those that think an AK-47 is a banned firearm in Canada obviously know nothing about our gun laws.
A semi auto AK-47 is 100% completely legal. Now, why you would want to use a lead chucking POS with a spaghetti esque barrel for hunting game is beyond me, but they are in fact legal.
I'm willing to bet that they are far more controlled in Canada though.
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Great post. Like I said earlier, I've grown up with guns and hunting. Never been a member of the NRA for that exact reason. It's all or nothing with those people. Slippery slope my ass.
Same with both factions of the abortion debate.
Your exactly right. The NRA doesn't want any part of responsible gun ownership. They won't be satisfied until every man and woman in America can carry a gun in public.
I really have no issue with the hunter who owns a gun. I have no issue with a person who likes to spend some time at the range every weekend. I have no issue with anyone who responsibly owns and cares for a gun. The second amendment is fine by me.
But earlier this month, there was a man who walked into a health club in an otherwise safe community, turned off the lights, and shot up a room full of women taking an aerobics class. Because he was deeply disturbed, and he took it as a personal affront that they wouldn't go out with him.
He owned the guns legally.
My issue isn't the stable hunter or the recreational gun owner. My issue comes with a guy like that owning firearms legally. Just because you can't stop the black market doesn't mean you shouldn't at least attempt to keep psychopaths from purchasing firearms.
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I'm willing to bet that they are far more controlled in Canada though.
What does this even mean?
If its semi auto, its legal.
Its its fully auto, its not.
So your willing to bet "that they are far more controlled in Canada?"
A semi auto AK 47 is "far more controlled" than the rest of the other 100% legal firearms in Canada? Whos controlling it? I dont understand why you think a legal firearm is more controlled in Canada when its legal and no more of a risk than the other firearms.
Do you know its possible to make a weapon outlawed by every G8 nation made only from a bic pen tube, pin, eraser, rubber band and a peice of string? Im willing to bet those bic pen tubes are far more controlled in Canada though.
