Doggonit, Vick gets his contract

[burn_baby_burn]

Originally Posted by Pagal4321

While the common person can come to that conclusion, it's a dangerous game if the NFL starts to try and piece things together based solely on conjecture like that.

While what he did was reprehensible, he deserves a second chance, and so far seems like he might have turned a corner. It doesn't hurt that Tony Dungy is also backing him....

Is it soley on conjecture? He was involved in illegal gambling. He wasn't playing poker in a garage with some buddies. He was financing and attending dog fights. So I suppose what he actually did at those dog fights, besides the obvious, is open to conjecture. Still he put himself in that situation. It looks bad on the league to have such an individual as a member. Like I said, the NFL doesn't need Michael Vick. They were doing just fine the last two years without him.

Everybody deserves a second chance and Michael Vick is getting a second chance as a free man after paying his debt to society. Still I believe that there is no room for anybody involved in illegal gambling in pro sports. I feel the same way about Rick Tocchet.

[Dr GonZo]

Originally Posted by burn_baby_burn

Is it soley on conjecture? He was involved in illegal gambling. He wasn't playing poker in a garage with some buddies. He was financing and attending dog fights. So I suppose what he actually did at those dog fights, besides the obvious, is open to conjecture. Still he put himself in that situation. It looks bad on the league to have such an individual as a member. Like I said, the NFL doesn't need Michael Vick. They were doing just fine the last two years without him.

Everybody deserves a second chance and Michael Vick is getting a second chance as a free man after paying his debt to society. Still I believe that there is no room for anybody involved in illegal gambling in pro sports. I feel the same way about Rick Tocchet.

This is more what I'm getting at. It's not only the fact that there was a venture in animal cruelty, but the entire scheme and organization proves to me he has no soul.

I recall the heated discussion on this board about Bertuzzi, especially when he came to the Flames. His incident was one not necessarily of total impulse, but the result was most likely unintended. If I recall correctly he was not found guilty for breaking any crimial law, meaning he has no debt to society, however still many thought he should not have been reinstated.

I don't mean to insinuate that animal cruelty is worse than cruelty to humans (although in many cases I am disgusted by the disparity in punishment) but just because a wife beater is allowed back in the game, does that automatically mean a dog killng kingpin should too? Had he been running a slavery organization, would you have reacted the same way now too?

Cruelty to man, woman, child or animal should not be tolerated. That's how I see it at least.

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by Pagal4321

While the common person can come to that conclusion, it's a dangerous game if the NFL starts to try and piece things together based solely on conjecture like that.

While what he did was reprehensible, he deserves a second chance, and so far seems like he might have turned a corner. It doesn't hurt that Tony Dungy is also backing him....

That's the thing though...this is so far beyond a "second chance". This guy has made bad decision after bad decision after bad decision....since the day he was drafted to the NFL.

The dog-fighting and associated gambling is one thing. What he personally allocuted to is something else. He admitted to personally electocuting, hanging, and drowning innocent dogs. On top of that he took his family pet dog and threw it in the ring and watched it get annihalted by his pit bulls. He is a piece of crap as a human being...period.

Now i agree he likely should be allowed to play again, but i just get tired of this second chance stuff that seems to be a media spawned myth.

[Pagal4321]

Ya, but only one of this stupid decisions got him suspended from football, bankrupted him and put him in jail, hence the second chance. Not quite the myth you are making it out to be.

No one is saying he isn't a piece of crap as a human being.....hell I think he's a pretty crappy football player and don't even like the guy.

But he still deserves another shot to play again in the NFL, and clearly I'm not the only one who thinks that way.

Hell wasn't there a football player who abused pain pills and came back to be a legend? Not that the two situations are even remotely similar, but that guy was given a chance (second, third or whatever) to piece his career back together, and look how that turned out.

[Dr GonZo]

Originally Posted by Pagal4321

Hell wasn't there a football player who abused pain pills and came back to be a legend? Not that the two situations are even remotely similar, but that guy was given a chance (second, third or whatever) to piece his career back together, and look how that turned out.

I can't help but wonder what Vick's going to do with his Second Chance fortunes. Were he obligated to donate a substantial amount to animal protection organizations or abuse awareness programs, fine. To me he's proven to be an evil person who doesn't know what to do with his money. So let there be limitations to his return.

Naturally that should go for all players that have done some form of abuse in any way. You want back in? You've changed your ways? Prove it, financially.

[moon]

Originally Posted by Dr GonZo

I can't help but wonder what Vick's going to do with his Second Chance fortunes. Were he obligated to donate a substantial amount to animal protection organizations or abuse awareness programs, fine. To me he's proven to be an evil person who doesn't know what to do with his money. So let there be limitations to his return.

Naturally that should go for all players that have done some form of abuse in any way. You want back in? You've changed your ways? Prove it, financially.

He owes a lot of money.

Most of what he makes will go to pay off creditors.

[dirk diggler]

Originally Posted by InCoGnEtO

He would have been better off mowing down a person in his car. no one would even care about that.

its sad that in this world, people care more about innocent dogs than they do about innocent people.

That isnt what it is about, Stallworth made a stupid mistake but it wasnt a premeditated act, whereas Vick is truly a piece of garbage who knew exactly what he was doing...

[HOOT]

Did anyone see Vick on 60 minutes?

[burn_baby_burn]

Originally Posted by HOOT

Did anyone see Vick on 60 minutes?

No. Did he cry?

[BigFlamesFan]

Originally Posted by dirk diggler

That isnt what it is about, Stallworth made a stupid mistake but it wasnt a premeditated act, whereas Vick is truly a piece of garbage who knew exactly what he was doing...

I agree that Vick is an evil POS. But if you hold him to that set of guidelines then every evil prick in the NFL that has problems that are at least just as bad and sometimes worse should not be allowed back either. The NFL has set a precedence in the past of allowing people who have made "mistakes" to come back. They shouldnt treat Vick any different than they have any of the others in the past.

Does he DESERVE a second chance?? No way. In my opinion none of these guys that do these things DESERVE a second chance. But since some have ben given a second chance they need to treat them all equally. He DESERVES to have to try and get a regular job like anyone else who was just released from prison.

[HOOT]

Originally Posted by burn_baby_burn

No. Did he cry?

Not sure I have it PVRd and about to watch it. Wasn't sure if it was worth watching so just seeing if anyone saw it yet.

[HOOT]

I'm bored...

60 Minutes Interview:

- Vick could make upwards of $7M in the two year contract with the Eagels.
- Cried many nights in prison (ha ha stupid Vick)
- He thought (dog fighting) was cool, fun and exciting at times
- He blames everything on himself
- Vick is paying nearly $1M to rehabilitate the animals that were rescued from his ring
- He knows he should have stopped it but didn't. He wasn't a leader.
- Vick agrees this shows a lack of moral character
- He wouldn't say what drove him to do this. Just kept saying "I know why"
- Understands why people are outraged; and he is disgusted in himself
- He could have shut it down but was concerned with the people he would have to tell it was shutting down
- Says he deserved to lose his $135M contract because of what he was doing
- Was exposed to dog-fighting at 8 years old
- Learned about dog-fighting where he grew up, police were even involved
- He lied to everyone because he was scared and knew he was guilty
- Regrets lying to Blank; looked like he was about to cry talking about him
- Knows he was lazy even when he was playing in the NFL; last one in, first one out of the practice facility
- God helped him make it through prison
- Is going to let actions speak louder than his words
- Wants to be in the community to show the kids he is an example of someone NOT to be

Dungy:

- Knows people (especially African American men) need a second chance; made a mistake and are looking to bounce back
- He is not concern just for Vick but hundreds of guys he has talked too
- Vick took everything for granted

Pieselli(?) American Humane Society President

- Remains skeptical; enlisted Vick as an anti dog-fighting ambassador
- Felt they needed to get involve to reach kids
- Hopes Mike sticks with it so he reaches these kids and turns them around
- 40,000 professional dog-fighters and over 100,000 street dog-fighting rings
- Fights can last 10min to 3hrs
- Dogs die from shock, blood loss and suffer if they survive just to fight again
- They have high expectations for Vick; they are not interested in a flash in the pan help for them
- They will let everyone know if he slips up on his commitment to their organization

It was tough to say if it was Vick talking or his team but at some points it seemed he was regretting losing everything and lying more than the actual killing and abuse of these animals. I believe in second chances so he will get on in my eyes but he should tread lightly because all eyes will be on him if he makes even a small mistake.

[Dr GonZo]

Excellent recap, thank you for this HOOT.

Good to see the diligence of the Humane Society that will keep him accountable for his actions concerning his Second Chance limitations.

[burn_baby_burn]

$1 Million to rehabilitate the dogs rescued from his fighting kennel? That seems a little steep.

[HOOT]

Originally Posted by burn_baby_burn

$1 Million to rehabilitate the dogs rescued from his fighting kennel? That seems a little steep.

That's what I thought too but...

Suspended Atlanta Falcons quarterback Michael Vick has agreed to set aside close to $1 million to pay for the care of the 54 pit bulls seized from his dogfighting operation.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3133102

[Dr GonZo]

Originally Posted by burn_baby_burn

$1 Million to rehabilitate the dogs rescued from his fighting kennel? That seems a little steep.

Have you ever watched MTV Cribs? Everything's overdone concerning NFL players.

Perhaps the money could better be spent for the rehabilitation of animals in the community, not necessarily those from his hellhole.

[burn_baby_burn]

Listening to the replay of Howard Stern. He is talking about the Vick interview on 60 Minutes. He seems pretty disgusted that they didn't ask any tough questions or put Vick on the spot or talk about any of the horrible things he did. Basically just asked if he was sorry. Stern even commented that CBS was too afraid to ask Vick the tough and obvious questions because of their contract with the NFL.

[HOOT]

Originally Posted by burn_baby_burn

Listening to the replay of Howard Stern. He is talking about the Vick interview on 60 Minutes. He seems pretty disgusted that they didn't ask any tough questions or put Vick on the spot or talk about any of the horrible things he did. Basically just asked if he was sorry. Stern even commented that CBS was too afraid to ask Vick the tough and obvious questions because of their contract with the NFL.

I wondered the same watching it. It seemed very setup by both sides of the interview. They also didn't air much of what the Humane Society guy said besides a few short clips about Vicks involvement. Nothing really on what happened to the dogs, how many lived, etc.

Not surprised though. Now a days if you ask the tough questions you don't' get the interviews.

[Flames in 07]

Originally Posted by burn_baby_burn

Is it soley on conjecture? He was involved in illegal gambling. He wasn't playing poker in a garage with some buddies. He was financing and attending dog fights. So I suppose what he actually did at those dog fights, besides the obvious, is open to conjecture. Still he put himself in that situation. It looks bad on the league to have such an individual as a member. Like I said, the NFL doesn't need Michael Vick. They were doing just fine the last two years without him.

Everybody deserves a second chance and Michael Vick is getting a second chance as a free man after paying his debt to society. Still I believe that there is no room for anybody involved in illegal gambling in pro sports. I feel the same way about Rick Tocchet.

He was on his second chance many, many chances ago.

However he did serve his time, I don't know, if Ray Lewis is allowed back it's hard to say Vick can't come back.

[EVERLAST]

The NFL used to market the league as the League with it all.

Yeah they got it all all right ......all the murderers, rapists, drunks druggies,deadbeat dads, drug dealers, addicts and now pooly animal murderers.

at least we only have one 10 cent thug in the NHL.