Zeitgeist, 9/11, and Other Conspiracies

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by mikey_the_redneck

Yes it has been discussed ad naseum.......but it seems like newbies to this thread don't want to go back and read....
The popular mechanics articles depend on alot of NIST investigation, and well, lets just day the NIST investigation is not complete. They did not even address the molten steel that was witnessed by firefighters and confirmed with thermal images on the site of towers 1 and 2.
When it comes to building 7, they sum up the collapse as a "combination of fire and physical damage".........that caused it to collapse like a house of cards.
Who hired NIST?

If the newbies want to participate in a thread then they should read the damn thread, repeating the same discussion over and over again wastes time and band width. Its like walking into a conversation late and asking people to start over, its a rude assumption and a waste of time.


read up on the damage to building 7

http://www.debunking911.com/WTC7.htm

[jammies]

Who cares? Here is a point conspiracy theorists don't understand - it doesn't matter what actually happened, what matters is what we perceive as what happened: 9/11 may have been just as chronicled, or perhaps there was a successful conspiracy, but either way the world has changed, and it's never going back the way it was.

Look at the JFK assassination "conspiracy" - it's been 45 years, and there is no more evidence of a wide-ranging plot now than there ever was, despite all the lives wasted in a search for "evidence" of something more than the official story. The same kind of nutbars for 9/11 will be mumbling about "controlled demolition" in 2046, and there will still be a "controversy", and it still won't matter as to whether or not there was a conspiracy because there is no difference between reality and a successful fake. Go re-read your copy of 1984 and this time pay attention - history is malleable and the past doesn't exist except in how it is recorded and remembered.

If you really want to fight the powers that rule the world, spend your time working for realistic, achievable goals that increase human freedom and happiness, not circle-jerking with like-minded paranoids about how you've seen through the media fog to the Truth. Especially considering that this "Truth" is nothing more than an antithesis to accepted history, and not any kind of coherent thesis in itself.

[Tower]

Originally Posted by Bring_Back_Shantz

You're a God Damn Liar!
We've asked you too many times to count to give us even one little shred of evidence, even anectdotal from your own experience that anything you've spoken about is true, or works, and you've time and time again refused to give it up.

So I reiterate. You say you know who you are, well so do I, you are a hypocrite and a liar.

You sir have 0 right to call me a liar. I don't have to show you anything! Besides why would I put fourth my hard work for you to be the arrogant prick via comments that you seem to be by your posts. Your offers are not inviting they are rude shallow and ignorable.

I gave you evidence with the PPSA. It was broken it down for you. What it MEANS! But you disregard it.

[VladtheImpaler]

Originally Posted by mikey_the_redneck

Yes it has been discussed ad naseum.......but it seems like newbies to this thread don't want to go back and read....
The popular mechanics articles depend on alot of NIST investigation, and well, lets just day the NIST investigation is not complete. They did not even address the molten steel that was witnessed by firefighters and confirmed with thermal images on the site of towers 1 and 2.
When it comes to building 7, they sum up the collapse as a "combination of fire and physical damage".........that caused it to collapse like a house of cards.
Who hired NIST?

Ummmmm, let me guess, the Rothschilds?

[Bring_Back_Shantz]

Originally Posted by mikey_the_redneck

Yes it has been discussed ad naseum.......but it seems like newbies to this thread don't want to go back and read....
The popular mechanics articles depend on alot of NIST investigation, and well, lets just day the NIST investigation is not complete. They did not even address the molten steel that was witnessed by firefighters and confirmed with thermal images on the site of towers 1 and 2.
When it comes to building 7, they sum up the collapse as a "combination of fire and physical damage".........that caused it to collapse like a house of cards.
Who hired NIST?

Ahhh, I love the final bastion of the conspiracy theorist.

Sure all of the data on the collapse makes sense, and totally disproves a controlled demoltion, but you can't trust the people that gave you that information. For God's sake, I've got one tiny bit of information that doesn't fit.

Well guess what Mikey, the "Molten Steel" theory doesn't fit a controlled demoltion theory either.

My grandfather had a demoltion company for many years and did some implosions, and there wasn't any molten steel in any of those either.

Therefore, I reject your conspiracy theory because it has one tiny bit of information that doesn't fit your theory.

My new theory, is that the towers were brought down by time travelers using laser guns. Becasue surely laser guns would melt steel.

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by Tower

You sir have 0 right to call me a liar. I don't have to show you anything! Besides why would I put fourth my hard work for you to be the arrogant prick via comments that you seem to be by your posts. Your offers are not inviting they are rude shallow and ignorable.

I gave you evidence with the PPSA. It was broken it down for you. What it MEANS! But you disregard it.

You know, in university, if you can't defend your thesis you fail right. Merely saying it is what it is because I believe it and I don't have to provide proof is a pretty empty argument.

[Bring_Back_Shantz]

Originally Posted by Tower

You sir have 0 right to call me a liar. I don't have to show you anything! Besides why would I put fourth my hard work for you to be the arrogant prick via comments that you seem to be by your posts. Your offers are not inviting they are rude shallow and ignorable.

I gave you evidence with the PPSA. It was broken it down for you. What it MEANS! But you disregard it.

You are a liar.
I have shown two times (once in this thread, and once in another) where you have explictly stated that you will give us information on becoming a Freeman-on-the-land. In one case even expliclty stating that you would let us know how it worked out for you. And to date you have repeatedly refused to give us any sort of proof other than a link to another site that spouts the same dribble as you.

You've claimed that it has worked for you, yet when asked you've flat out refused to give examples despite previously stating that you would.

So you are a LIAR. I have every right to call you one, becasue I have twice shown your contradictions, and you've repetedly refused to prove otherwise.

So once again, to restate my point.

YOU ARE A LIAR!

[Phaneuf3]

Originally Posted by Bring_Back_Shantz

My new theory, is that the towers were brought down by time travelers using laser guns. Becasue surely laser guns would melt steel.

You know... there is no part of the story (official or otherwise) that couldn't be explained perfectly by time travellers with futuristic technology. All hail the new theory! All hail our new leader Bring_Back_Shantz!

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by Bring_Back_Shantz

Ahhh, I love the final bastion of the conspiracy theorist.

Sure all of the data on the collapse makes sense, and totally disproves a controlled demoltion, but you can't trust the people that gave you that information. For God's sake, I've got one tiny bit of information that doesn't fit.

Well guess what Mikey, the "Molten Steel" theory doesn't fit a controlled demoltion theory either.

My grandfather had a demoltion company for many years and did some implosions, and there wasn't any molten steel in any of those either.

Therefore, I reject your conspiracy theory because it has one tiny bit of information that doesn't fit your theory.

My new theory, is that the towers were brought down by time travelers using laser guns. Becasue surely laser guns would melt steel.

I was with you until the time travellers with laser guns. Personally I theorize that it was intelligent dinosaurs with molotov cocktails. They're still pissed about the whole extinction thing, and a small part of their community blames humanity for the asteroid hitting earth. They believe that a small rogue section of the CIA travelled back in time using illuminati technology provided by jesus and funded by Rothchild used an inverse tachyon pulse to pull an asteroid to earth leading the way to the destruction of the dominant species at the time, then the CIA planted the DNA of Lindsy Lohan and Barrack Obama so that humanity would rise.

My proof, my watch is 5 minutes slow, thus I'm living in the past therefore time travel is impossible. Now I'm going to wind my watch forward thus time traveling into the fut . . . .









And I'm back, where are my ninja protectors.

[mikey_the_redneck]

Originally Posted by Bring_Back_Shantz

Show me one group of engineers who actually got a look at the evidence available to the people who produced the official story that still believe that it was a controlled demoltion, or that a missle hit the pentagon.

http://www.ae911truth.org/downloads/...2009-06-17.pdf

I think I posted this way back.

[jammies]

Originally Posted by Tower

I gave you evidence with the PPSA.

Evidence would be me getting a free slurpee.

Anybody can *say* their methods would get me a free slurpee, and I should try it myself and see. That's a variant of "begging the question" - first I have to believe what you say, put in into practice, and then the evidence follows. Much more convincing is where the person making the claims demonstrates the truth FIRST - in this case, obtaining me a free slurpee - and then I can believe or not based on observed fact, not on rhetoric.

Until you come up with evidence, your claims are nothing more than rhetoric - and not, I must say, rhetoric of the convincing sort. The only thing I'm sure of after reading your collected posts is that you are unable to communicate effectively as your station is set exclusively on transmit.

[Bring_Back_Shantz]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

I was with you until the time travellers with laser guns. Personally I theorize that it was intelligent dinosaurs with molotov cocktails. They're still pissed about the whole extinction thing, and a small part of their community blames humanity for the asteroid hitting earth. They believe that a small rogue section of the CIA travelled back in time using illuminati technology provided by jesus and funded by Rothchild used an inverse tachyon pulse to pull an asteroid to earth leading the way to the destruction of the dominant species at the time, then the CIA planted the DNA of Lindsy Lohan and Barrack Obama so that humanity would rise.

My proof, my watch is 5 minutes slow, thus I'm living in the past therefore time travel is impossible. Now I'm going to wind my watch forward thus time traveling into the fut . . . .









And I'm back, where are my ninja protectors.

Dude you couldn't be more wrong. Think about what you're saying.
What kind of dinosaur could throw a molotov coctail? The only dinosaurs that had "arms" that they could use to light and throw one of those things, were raptors and t-rex type dinosaurs, and their arms are way to short to light, let alone throw a molotov coctail. Jeeze, how dense can you be.

Clearly my explination is the only one that fits.

[mikey_the_redneck]

Originally Posted by Bring_Back_Shantz

Ahhh, I love the final bastion of the conspiracy theorist.

Sure all of the data on the collapse makes sense, and totally disproves a controlled demoltion, but you can't trust the people that gave you that information. For God's sake, I've got one tiny bit of information that doesn't fit.

Well guess what Mikey, the "Molten Steel" theory doesn't fit a controlled demoltion theory either.

My grandfather had a demoltion company for many years and did some implosions, and there wasn't any molten steel in any of those either.

Therefore, I reject your conspiracy theory because it has one tiny bit of information that doesn't fit your theory.

My new theory, is that the towers were brought down by time travelers using laser guns. Becasue surely laser guns would melt steel.

Controlled demolition is just a term that the truthers use to describe the events as "done with purpose, or with intent"...........thats how I take it. Knowone really knows how explosives were planted or used to bring it down, hence the term "theory".
.....and if you were referring to the commission report "data", well to me that speaks for itself. The commission report is garbage.

[Phaneuf3]

Originally Posted by Phaneuf3

Ok, lets just pretend for the sake of argument that all the wild crazy conspiracy theories are true: 9-11 was an inside job, Barack Superallah Obama is a secrect muslim born in Kenya, the moon landing was a hoax, the Illuminati under supervision of the lizard people are monitoring this conversation through a transmitter implanted in my teeth... For the duration of this post, its all true.

What now?
If these people are that powerful and evil that they will ruthlessly murder about 3000 of their own citizens in the matter of a couple hours just because they were bored and wanted a war, what are you going to do about it?! What power do you feel you have to stop this? What good does this knowledge do you? Why aren't you dead yet for not only knowing their secrets but spreading them?

Mikey,
Every time I see this thread get bumped I get excited that you may be answering these important questions. Every time I'm let down when I open the thread.

If you've done so much research into what happened on 9/11, surely you've thought about why it happened and what to do about it now.

[Bring_Back_Shantz]

Originally Posted by mikey_the_redneck

http://www.ae911truth.org/downloads/...2009-06-17.pdf

I think I posted this way back.

I said show me guys who had access to the same information as the official story guys, not show me a bunch of guys who looked at videos and said "Hey that's an awfully symetrical collapse", or guys who read the official report and figured they'd left something out.

There's a big difference between someone who reads a final report and doesn't believe it, and someone who was involved in the investigation who has a reasonable interpretation of same data and has come to a different conclusion. And I doubt you'll be able to find one of those.

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by Bring_Back_Shantz

Dude you couldn't be more wrong. Think about what you're saying.
What kind of dinosaur could throw a molotov coctail? The only dinosaurs that had "arms" that they could use to light and throw one of those things, were raptors and t-rex type dinosaurs, and their arms are way to short to light, let alone throw a molotov coctail. Jeeze, how dense can you be.

Clearly my explination is the only one that fits.

Thats not what Jake Smithers of Thompson, Ill said, he figures that the dinosaurs would have adapted molotive cocktail technology to their air length by developing really long matches, and he must be an expert because he once read the big book of dinosaurs by Richard Scary.

[Bring_Back_Shantz]

Originally Posted by mikey_the_redneck

Controlled demolition is just a term that the truthers use to describe the events as "done with purpose, or with intent"...........thats how I take it. Knowone really knows how explosives were planted or used to bring it down, hence the term "theory".
.....and if you were referring to the commission report "data", well to me that speaks for itself. The commission report is garbage.

Yeah, and no one really knows how the time travlers managed to get into the building without being seen.

You know why? Because it didn't happen. (the explosives I mean, clearly the time travelers were there)

And again the old fallback, of "You can't belive the official story, becasue it clearly isn't true". Good job!

EDIT: I guess I do agree with the "Truthers" on one thing, I 100% absolutely agree that the twin towers were destroyed "With purpose, or with intent". You know, by a bunch of pissed off terrorists.

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by mikey_the_redneck

http://www.ae911truth.org/downloads/...2009-06-17.pdf

I think I posted this way back.

Except that these guys ignore the facts that came out and were pointed out in the link that I provided.

[jammies]

Originally Posted by Bring_Back_Shantz

What kind of dinosaur could throw a molotov coctail? The only dinosaurs that had "arms" that they could use to light and throw one of those things, were raptors and t-rex type dinosaurs, and their arms are way to short to light, let alone throw a molotov coctail.

Ah, but what if the evidence for long-armed dinosaurs is being covered up? What if the 1902 Massey-Collins expedition to the Alberta badlands really did discover "reptilius monkeyarmsius", and the skeletons they found were actually intercepted by agents of the dinosaurs and not "lost in transit" as was claimed at the time. After all - EVERY SINGLE MEMBER of that 1902 expedition is now dead - coincidence, or more evidence of a conspiracy successfully kept hidden for 65 million years?

Personally I think New York was a battleground between the dinosaurs, aliens, and the uber-Elvis. The government had to scramble to come up with a convincing cover story to prevent an even greater panic. Obviously the reason the Pentagon also got damaged was because that was where the uber-Elvis has been cryogenically preserved since his ascension to godhood and madness in 1976, and only the desperate peril of the dino-alien war becoming overt convinced Bush to authorize unleashing this terrible weapon.

Anyone who believes differently is obviously a dupe of Big Media, Big Government, Big Business, Big Pharma and/or Big Steve.

[mikey_the_redneck]

Originally Posted by Bring_Back_Shantz

I said show me guys who had access to the same information as the official story guys, not show me a bunch of guys who looked at videos and said "Hey that's an awfully symetrical collapse", or guys who read the official report and figured they'd left something out.

There's a big difference between someone who reads a final report and doesn't believe it, and someone who was involved in the investigation who has a reasonable interpretation of same data and has come to a different conclusion. And I doubt you'll be able to find one of those.

They did review the "official" story........there is alot of material at the Architects and Engineers for 9/11 truth site, and that was just a small sample.
If you think they just "looked at videos and said "Hey that's an awfully symetrical collapse".........then you are insulting their intellegence. I am sure they are smarter than you and I.