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Hanna Sniper · 08-01-2009, 11:49 PM

Something that I haven't seen mentioned much... maybe it's been talked about elsewhere I don't know.

But Fedor owns the video of his fights and his image... one big thing that the UFC has always been bullying fighters with is that they own their image for life not just the term of the contract. I personally see this as being the biggest hurdle with Fedor (like I said just my opinion).

Best thing for the UFC would be if Mirko can regain his Grand Prix level and defeat Brock. Fedor has a huge amount of respect for Mirko and I think Mirko would be more successful in bringing him to the UFC then Dana's bullying tactics or questioning his legitimacy (which is complete bull)

kipperfan · 08-02-2009, 06:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Hanna Sniper

Something that I haven't seen mentioned much... maybe it's been talked about elsewhere I don't know.

But Fedor owns the video of his fights and his image... one big thing that the UFC has always been bullying fighters with is that they own their image for life not just the term of the contract. I personally see this as being the biggest hurdle with Fedor (like I said just my opinion).

Best thing for the UFC would be if Mirko can regain his Grand Prix level and defeat Brock. Fedor has a huge amount of respect for Mirko and I think Mirko would be more successful in bringing him to the UFC then Dana's bullying tactics or questioning his legitimacy (which is complete bull)

Man, that would be sick! I love Cro Cop. Honestly though, Fedor aside, I see Lesnar losing that title as soon as he has to fight Shane Carwin, that guy is the beast Lesnar wishes he was. Carwin is a beauty, he can match Brock in the wrestling game (former national champion) and will dominate him in the stand up game - screw Lesnar, I dont care what anyone says, it is pretty clear he is taking steroids.

kukkudo · 08-02-2009, 04:49 PM

*mod edit do not post entire articals ever. Provide a link and quote a couple lines.*

ResAlien · 08-02-2009, 04:55 PM

nm. Sylvanfan on the job like the A-team.

Hanna Sniper · 08-03-2009, 11:06 AM

Nice to see Fedor signed with Strikeforce

Canada 02 · 08-03-2009, 11:46 AM

not bad, Strikeforce now has three top 10 heavyweights

valo403 · 08-04-2009, 10:47 AM

Every promotion now officially has a half assed HW division. No matter who holds the belt they're not going to be universally regarded as a champion. This is the kind of crap that plagued boxing throughout the 90's, the good news is that Strikeforce will likely collapse just like the rest of the fly-by-night operations out there. Normally I wouldn't care whether a promotion succeeds, but if these guys were stupid enough to hand over half of their company to Fedor they deserve to go under.

fundmark19 · 08-04-2009, 11:18 AM

Well ufc since they are the biggest should just buy everyone out or sign some sort of deal for a battle royal so we can all find out who the real hw champ is

valo403 · 08-04-2009, 12:16 PM

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Well ufc since they are the biggest should just buy everyone out or sign some sort of deal for a battle royal so we can all find out who the real hw champ is

The UFC tried to sign Fedor, he literally demanded that he and his camp get half of the company.

corporatejay · 08-04-2009, 01:23 PM

Strikeforce is half-assed, the UFC is just now becoming a household name, Fedor isn't doing himself any favours by signing with a second tier promotion.

Hanna Sniper · 08-04-2009, 02:12 PM

To be the man you have to beat the man... Fedor is that man

Keep believing all that smoke Dana is blowing up your a$$, remember Dana is a promoter (and a great one at that) and start judging from your own eye's rather then being sheep.

This is not a knock on Dana, I think the guy is great but you have to remember half of what comes out of his mouth is only what is good for the UFC and not MMA.

Hanna Sniper · 08-04-2009, 02:15 PM

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Originally Posted by fundmark19

Well ufc since they are the biggest should just buy everyone out or sign some sort of deal for a battle royal so we can all find out who the real hw champ is

There is no question, in over 30 fights there is only one man that has never lost a decision, never been knocked out. never been summited... that man is Fedor

The only person that wouldn't agree is someone trying to hype their own champ to legitimatize their own belt.... and if they repeat it enough then enough people will think it's true

corporatejay · 08-04-2009, 02:17 PM

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To be the man you have to beat the man... Fedor is that man

How is Fedor the man? Because he fights in tier 2 promotions and wins? To me he isn't the man, Brock is.

an Emailer on Rome today had a good point, this is like Tiger playing putt putt golf, as good as he might be, until you play in the big show, you're not the man.

valo403 · 08-04-2009, 02:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Hanna Sniper

There is no question, in over 30 fights there is only one man that has never lost a decision, never been knocked out. never been summited... that man is Fedor

The only person that wouldn't agree is someone trying to hype their own champ to legitimatize their own belt.... and if they repeat it enough then enough people will think it's true

Fedor has been the man for the last 5 years, maybe longer, but there comes a point when what he did back in Pride stops making him the current greatest in the world. I think he'd probably beat Lesnar, but I'm not certain about it. He hasn't fought the very best opposition over the last few years, and it seems he's set to go out without doing so over the next few years. I don't know about you, but I don't think you get to keep being 'the man' simply because at one point in time you were the man.

Hanna Sniper · 08-04-2009, 02:33 PM

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How is Fedor the man? Because he fights in tier 2 promotions and wins? To me he isn't the man, Brock is.

an Emailer on Rome today had a good point, this is like Tiger playing putt putt golf, as good as he might be, until you play in the big show, you're not the man.

If thats what you think, then I have to welcome you to MMA.. you missed some fun times... MMA is not UFC, UFC is only a part of MMA and a small part of it that is having huge success right now, but thats only been the case for a few years (under 5)

There was once a time that everyone thought Mark Kerr was unstoppable... until he got hooked on painkillers... then Igor Vovchanchyn was striking fears in the hearts of fighters... he just scared people. That was until Mark Coleman made one of the greatest comebacks of all time (who would have thought he could win a tournament like that stacked as it was).

But Coleman was no match for the submission magician Nogueira, but Nog was pretty much keeping the chair warm till Fedor came around.... and since then there has been many to try and take the crown away but all have been defeated.

Dana, has always hyped his champion up, but giving the first chance to fight, Fedor has knocked their blocks off. The only fight that didn't happen was Fedor and Randy and coming from a guy that just wants to give the fans the fights they wasnt to see... he sure blicked that fight pretty quickly.

Brock hasn't proved himself, hopefully he continues to progress like he's doing and build up a history for himself.... when that time comes we the fans will have a super fight... thats assuming that Brock is still the champion for the UFC.

Hanna Sniper · 08-04-2009, 02:41 PM

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Originally Posted by valo403

Fedor has been the man for the last 5 years, maybe longer, but there comes a point when what he did back in Pride stops making him the current greatest in the world. I think he'd probably beat Lesnar, but I'm not certain about it. He hasn't fought the very best opposition over the last few years, and it seems he's set to go out without doing so over the next few years. I don't know about you, but I don't think you get to keep being 'the man' simply because at one point in time you were the man.

I agree, he will lose... time defeats everyone

sadly I'm seeing my favourites fall to that now, and loosing to opposition that they would have walked over a few years ago.

I just don't think that some of the new blood has earned the respect to question Fedor yet. This opposition he's fought that are not supposed to be the best.. just happened to be the new hope that the UFC were pumping down our throats telling us that they were better then Fedor and how they would beat Fedor.

For the first time in YEARS, the UFC is just starting to draw attention to their heavyweights, their focus has always been elsewhere. It's great to see them headed in this direction... and in 2 years if they continue to pump money into the division it can be one hell of a fight. Maybe they sign Fedor and that time and they wash the floor with him... or maybe the heavyweights will want to prove themselves against the best and go to strikeforce to fight Fedor... either or we as fans will. Right now there is 5 organizations to watch and all of them are putting on great fights.

valo403 · 08-04-2009, 02:50 PM

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I agree, he will lose... time defeats everyone

sadly I'm seeing my favourites fall to that now, and loosing to opposition that they would have walked over a few years ago.

I just don't think that some of the new blood has earned the respect to question Fedor yet. This opposition he's fought that are not supposed to be the best.. just happened to be the new hope that the UFC were pumping down our throats telling us that they were better then Fedor and how they would beat Fedor.

For the first time in YEARS, the UFC is just starting to draw attention to their heavyweights, their focus has always been elsewhere. It's great to see them headed in this direction... and in 2 years if they continue to pump money into the division it can be one hell of a fight. Maybe they sign Fedor and that time and they wash the floor with him... or maybe the heavyweights will want to prove themselves against the best and go to strikeforce to fight Fedor... either or we as fans will. Right now there is 5 organizations to watch and all of them are putting on great fights.

I'm going to make a prediction that Strikeforce no longer exists in 2 years.

Hanna Sniper · 08-04-2009, 02:52 PM

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Originally Posted by valo403

Fedor has been the man for the last 5 years, maybe longer, but there comes a point when what he did back in Pride stops making him the current greatest in the world. I think he'd probably beat Lesnar, but I'm not certain about it. He hasn't fought the very best opposition over the last few years, and it seems he's set to go out without doing so over the next few years. I don't know about you, but I don't think you get to keep being 'the man' simply because at one point in time you were the man.

First of all valo403, like I said before I agree with you, and I think we understand each other. The one thing I don't understand and I highlited your post about it because it's a common thing I'm hearing...

I don't understand how Fedor isn't fighting the best opposition (ranked top ten before the fights) and yet Brock is. The people Brock has defeated isn't a step above the guys Fedor knocked out easily. The only difference between the two is the hype machine behind it

Hanna Sniper · 08-04-2009, 02:53 PM

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Originally Posted by valo403

I'm going to make a prediction that Strikeforce no longer exists in 2 years.

good for you, hope you win a cookie for it as well

corporatejay · 08-04-2009, 03:16 PM

Hanna:

I've been pretty clear that I'm a casual MMA fan, but my point is although UFC is not MMA, it is the NHL/NBA/NFL/MLB of MMA, and until your prove it in the show, you can't claim to be (or be considered) the greatest or "the man".