Islamic violence is a worldwide occurence. Will it ever stop?

[mikey_the_redneck]

Originally Posted by Azure

He's Obama's buddy.

Haha.............that is true.

[blankall]

There is something so counterproductive and bitter about the Nation of Islam taking an anti-semetic stance. Especially when you consider how active many Jewish Americans were in the civil rights movement. If it wasn't for these prominent Jewish activists the NOI might not even have the right to exist.

[bcb]

Originally Posted by mikey_the_redneck

Well he did say he didnt "hate" the jews.......

In one of the clips he comments on how the Warburgs(Jews) and Rothschilds(Jews), financed Hitlers Germany, who turned around and killed 6 million jews as we all know........and he says "and they call ME an anti-semite?!".........

To me, he just says what others are afraid to say. He sees things a certain way and he has a right to speak about it if he sees it as truth.

Do you take that as truth?

Of course he has a right to say what he wants. (See my sig. below.)
Now if I said all the things I wanted to about that man, I'd be thrown off this board.

[peter12]

Originally Posted by mikey_the_redneck

Well he did say he didnt "hate" the jews.......

In one of the clips he comments on how the Warburgs(Jews) and Rothschilds(Jews), financed Hitlers Germany, who turned around and killed 6 million jews as we all know........and he says "and they call ME an anti-semite?!".........

To me, he just says what others are afraid to say. He sees things a certain way and he has a right to speak about it if he sees it as truth.

Dude, you are such an idiot.

[Calgaryborn]

Originally Posted by Devils'Advocate

But we are talking extremists here. Fred Phelps types. And I will bet my bottom dollar that Phelps is talking Deuteronomy.

Extremists from every religion are going to quote scripture for their own evil ends.

Phelps is an extremist and representative of a small isolated group within Christianity. I don't think he or his sect has ever committed violence though. Haven't they just been guilty of bad free speech.

Islamic fundamentalists are in every country the religion of Islam has a foothold. It hardly an isolated group. There is no country in the world where as many as 5% of the Christian community supports actions such as Fred Phelps takes.

[RougeUnderoos]

Originally Posted by Calgaryborn

Islamic fundamentalists are in every country the religion of Islam has a foothold. It hardly an isolated group. There is no country in the world where as many as 5% of the Christian community supports actions such as Fred Phelps takes.

Christian fundamentalists are in every country the religion of Christianity has a foothold. It is hardly an isolated group. They may not support Fred Phelps, but more than 5% of them tacitly support the lunacy that ends up with dead Doctors and denying rights to certain segments of the population.

Now obviously the fundamentalist Christian nutcases willing to die for the cause are outnumbered, but they are out there.

[mikey_the_redneck]

Originally Posted by bcb

Do you take that as truth?

Of course he has a right to say what he wants. (See my sig. below.)
Now if I said all the things I wanted to about that man, I'd be thrown off this board.

Well I am currently learning about the history of central banks, and how it all started. I bought a documentary made in the mid 90's called Money Masters. It is over 3 hours long, so I have only caught the first half so far.......it is great but it is alot to take in.
Anyways, it seems to me that the Rothschild family, the Warburgs, J.P. Morgan, the Rockefellers etc. have a massive hand in the worlds finances.

Mayer Amschel Rothschild, who was a goldsmith from Frankfurt had 5 sons who went to different European countries (France, Austria, England, Italy, Germany) to expand the family business. They ended up being huge industrialists, owning rail companies, diamond and gold mines, steel production, and then became lenders.....

Well, you will have to watch the film or do some research but to answer your question yes, I am starting to see that most of the worlds wealth is in very few hands and they have an insatiable appetite for power and control. There is a quote in the film by one of the Rothschilds who says something along the lines of "give me the power to issue a nations money supply, and I care not who makes its laws".....

[blankall]

Originally Posted by mikey_the_redneck

Well I am currently learning about the history of central banks, and how it all started. I bought a documentary made in the mid 90's called Money Masters. It is over 3 hours long, so I have only caught the first half so far.......it is great but it is alot to take in.
Anyways, it seems to me that the Rothschild family, the Warburgs, J.P. Morgan, the Rockefellers etc. have a massive hand in the worlds finances.

Mayer Amschel Rothschild, who was a goldsmith from Frankfurt had 5 sons who went to different European countries (France, Austria, England, Italy, Germany) to expand the family business. They ended up being huge industrialists, owning rail companies, diamond and gold mines, steel production, and then became lenders.....

Well, you will have to watch the film or do some research but to answer your question yes, I am starting to see that most of the worlds wealth is in very few hands and they have an insatiable appetite for power and control. There is a quote in the film by one of the Rothschilds who says something along the lines of "give me the power to issue a nations money supply, and I care not who makes its laws".....

The Rothschild conspiracy is classic anti-semitism. They are one of many international investment banks. This one happens to be started by Jews (who by the way came from the ghetto).

Yes the people who own them make lots of money. You can see their profits which are publicly declared every year. They earn less than 100 million dollars in profit a year. Although the company is almost entirely owned by the Rothschilds the money is split many ways as there are many Rothschild decendants now.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_billionaires_(2009)

Here is a list of the richest people in the world. I believe it excludes heads of state, since in situations where the state and personal ownership are the same thing it becomes impossible to determine actual wealth. Therefore you won't find the kings/queens of Saudi Arabia or England on that list.

More importantly no one on that list is named Rothschild. In fact, there aren't any investment bankers on that list. The people on that list are mostly telecomunications moguls, producers of consumer goods, and oil tycoons, with a few steel companies thrown in.

Just because a bank is involved in large transactions, does not mean it owns all the money.

[RougeUnderoos]

Originally Posted by mikey_the_redneck

I am starting to see that most of the worlds wealth is in very few hands and they have an insatiable appetite for power and control.

Is this the birth of a communist?

[mikey_the_redneck]

Originally Posted by blankall

The Rothschild conspiracy is classic anti-semitism. They are one of many international investment banks. This one happens to be started by Jews (who by the way came from the ghetto).

Yes the people who own them make lots of money. You can see their profits which are publicly declared every year. They earn less than 100 million dollars in profit a year. Although the company is almost entirely owned by the Rothschilds the money is split many ways as there are many Rothschild decendants now.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_billionaires_(2009)

Here is a list of the richest people in the world. I believe it excludes heads of state, since in situations where the state and personal ownership are the same thing it becomes impossible to determine actual wealth. Therefore you won't find the kings/queens of Saudi Arabia or England on that list.

More importantly no one on that list is named Rothschild. In fact, there aren't any investment bankers on that list. The people on that list are mostly telecomunications moguls, producers of consumer goods, and oil tycoons, with a few steel companies thrown in.

Just because a bank is involved in large transactions, does not mean it owns all the money.

I do not belive that the Rothschild stake in central banks is published. Their business ties are vast and diverse.
It says right in Wikipedia;
"An essential part of Mayer Rothschild's strategy for future success was to keep control of their businesses in family hands, allowing them to maintain full discretion about the size of their wealth and their business achievements."

Have you seen pictures of Rothschild properties in Europe? Rothschild castles put royalty ones to shame.......

[mikey_the_redneck]

Rothschild info:

"TIME LINE OF THE ROTHSCHILD OWNED FEDERAL RESERVE BANK
1791-1811: Rothschild’s First Bank of the United States
1816-1836: Rothschild’s Second Bank of the United States.

1837-1862: Free Banking Era – no formal Central Bank through the efforts of President Andrew Jackson, who , according to Jackson, the Rothschild’s later tried to assassinate.
1862-1913: System of National Banks through the efforts of President Andrew Jackson.
In 1862 Abraham Lincoln issued his own fiat money to finance the Civil War and bucked the New York Banks who wanted to charge the government 24- 30% interest on any loans. Lincoln was assassinated on April 14, 1865.
President James Garfield tried to buck the banks and was assassinated on July 2, 1881.
1913-Current: President Wilson Federal Reserve Act creates a consortium of privately held Jewish & associated banks called the Federal Reserve Bank. The largest shareholders of the Federal Reserve Bank are the Rothschild’s of London holding 57% of the stock which is not available for public trading."

[mikey_the_redneck]

Here is a short 3 minute youtube clip that was taken from some news show. It talks about Rothschild stakes in gold, media, oil, banks etc. They say Rothschild wealth is in the trillions.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oWFhf...eature=related

P.S. ignore the first 5 seconds......it has nothing to do with the rest of the clip. It was pulled from some tv program......

[blankall]

Originally Posted by mikey_the_redneck

Rothschild info:

"TIME LINE OF THE ROTHSCHILD OWNED FEDERAL RESERVE BANK
1791-1811: Rothschild’s First Bank of the United States
1816-1836: Rothschild’s Second Bank of the United States.

1837-1862: Free Banking Era – no formal Central Bank through the efforts of President Andrew Jackson, who , according to Jackson, the Rothschild’s later tried to assassinate.
1862-1913: System of National Banks through the efforts of President Andrew Jackson.
In 1862 Abraham Lincoln issued his own fiat money to finance the Civil War and bucked the New York Banks who wanted to charge the government 24- 30% interest on any loans. Lincoln was assassinated on April 14, 1865.
President James Garfield tried to buck the banks and was assassinated on July 2, 1881.
1913-Current: President Wilson Federal Reserve Act creates a consortium of privately held Jewish & associated banks called the Federal Reserve Bank. The largest shareholders of the Federal Reserve Bank are the Rothschild’s of London holding 57% of the stock which is not available for public trading."

This part didn't tip you off to anything?

The Federal Reserve Bank is entirely controlled by the government. It is controlled by the Board of Governors who are in turn appointed by the President.

Anyone who believes a word of your post is totally ignorant to the way monetary supply, interest rates, central banking, or any concept of finance works, so I'll simplify. The Federal Reserve Bank, the First Bank of the United States (note its name is not the "Rothschild’s First Bank of the United States") and all the banks you listed are not or were they at any point controlled by the Rothschilds. They are chartered banks created by and controlled by the government of the United States of America.

Once again because the banks have money in them does mean they own that money.

Because the bank is capable of printing money does not meant the money they print has any value.

[VladtheImpaler]

Clearly, Mikey was born about 70 years too late - he would have made an exceptional brownshirt...

[blankall]

Originally Posted by mikey_the_redneck

Here is a short 3 minute youtube clip that was taken from some news show. It talks about Rothschild stakes in gold, media, oil, banks etc. They say Rothschild wealth is in the trillions.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oWFhf...eature=related

P.S. ignore the first 5 seconds......it has nothing to do with the rest of the clip. It was pulled from some tv program......

I hate to break it to you but that is not from "some tv program". It is clearly a home made propaganda piece made with a hand held camcorder.

[mikey_the_redneck]

If you actually think the Federal Reserve is controlled by the U.S. government, there is no point in me trying to argue.
Why are they trying to pass a bill in Congress (HR1207 I believe) right now to have the Fed audited?? The Fed does not answer to anyone, they are not transparent and that is what people are questioning.
They want to know where the bail out money went.
If the government controlled the Fed, this would be a non-issue. The Fed is private. Just because it is called the FEDERAL Reserve, does not mean it is gov. controlled. Wow.......

Fed-Ex is not a government entity either......

"Because the bank is capable of printing money does not meant the money they print has any value. "
Exactly. But they print money that is not backed by anything and then charge interest on it...............this is how they get filthy rich, especially when they make huge loans for war efforts that they can collect interest on.

[mikey_the_redneck]

Originally Posted by blankall

I hate to break it to you but that is not from "some tv program". It is clearly a home made propaganda piece made with a hand held camcorder.

It sounds like a broadcast to me......I was just trying to get something quickly. Watch it, there is good info there.

Here is a clip from Money Masters;
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8F4IGwuKdUQ

More money masters...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q2Yjoi2_5pw

[bcb]

Originally Posted by mikey_the_redneck

Well I am currently learning about the history of central banks, and how it all started. I bought a documentary made in the mid 90's called Money Masters. It is over 3 hours long, so I have only caught the first half so far.......it is great but it is alot to take in.
Anyways, it seems to me that the Rothschild family, the Warburgs, J.P. Morgan, the Rockefellers etc. have a massive hand in the worlds finances.

Mayer Amschel Rothschild, who was a goldsmith from Frankfurt had 5 sons who went to different European countries (France, Austria, England, Italy, Germany) to expand the family business. They ended up being huge industrialists, owning rail companies, diamond and gold mines, steel production, and then became lenders.....

Well, you will have to watch the film or do some research but to answer your question yes, I am starting to see that most of the worlds wealth is in very few hands and they have an insatiable appetite for power and control. There is a quote in the film by one of the Rothschilds who says something along the lines of "give me the power to issue a nations money supply, and I care not who makes its laws".....

This does not prove that Farrakhan is correct. It only shows that the Rothschilds were rich.

[Calgaryborn]

Originally Posted by RougeUnderoos

Christian fundamentalists are in every country the religion of Christianity has a foothold. It is hardly an isolated group. They may not support Fred Phelps, but more than 5% of them tacitly support the lunacy that ends up with dead Doctors and denying rights to certain segments of the population.

Yes Christian fundamentalists exist in every country where Christianity has a foot hold. The difference is political violence and forced conversion are not part of Christian fundamental practice. More importantly violence and forced conversion are not mandated practices within the holy scriptures.

Originally Posted by RougeUnderoos

Now obviously the fundamentalist Christian nutcases willing to die for the cause are outnumbered, but they are out there.

I suggest you try reading the "Fox's book of Martyrs" or "The Martyrs Mirror". There is also sites that keep track of modern day Christian martyrs. They are more common then one would think.

[Traditional_Ale]

I've said it before, here it is again:

Christianity is horrible. It is responsible for centuries of hatred, bigotry, and murder. Also things like the Inquisition and the Crusades. It has also matured out of that and evolved if you will into something that isn't going to hurt anyone unless they're a rich idiot getting taken for a ride from some Evangelist preacher. And don't jump all over me like I'm taking a personal jab at Evangelists. I could have used multiple other examples there as well (although Evangelism bothers me as much as Islam), but I digress.

The point is that in the era of computers, internet, modern medicine, education, science etc etc etc, Islam is still in the dark ages on a lot of basic human principles. I understand the texts say one thing, but there is talk and there is walk, and the way Islam extremism is walking lately is something that is not sitting well in the pit of my stomach. Christianity did not have the above listed modern innovations/aids to evolve.

Sorry if you think I'm a racist, but I don't think I am. Its no secret around here I don't like any religion, really. Just churning through a difficult discussion.