Islamic violence is a worldwide occurence. Will it ever stop?

[Devils'Advocate]

Originally Posted by 666DanceParty

As long as the CIA is still in business, there will be violence.

And is you are scared to go on an airplane because of 9/11, perhaps you might want to check out a few documentaries and learn a little more about what actually went down that day...

Ruh-roh. Not yet ANOTHER conspiracy theorist I hope....

I feel bad for many Muslim people. I mean, my best friend is Muslim and I have heard nasty stories. The most brutal one was going to the mosque and when everyone came out all their tires were slashed. When police came to investigate nobody claimed to have seen anything... how can a guy slash the tires of 30 vehicles and nobody see anything? Most Muslims are good peaceful people that have to suffer from the intolerance and hate justified by vilifications like "Islamic violence is a worldwide occurrence - will it ever stop?"

[Gozer]

Originally Posted by corporatejay

Okay, I'll bite.

What actually happened?

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by 666DanceParty

As long as the CIA is still in business, there will be violence.

And is you are scared to go on an airplane because of 9/11, perhaps you might want to check out a few documentaries and learn a little more about what actually went down that day...

[burn_this_city]

They've been treated like 2nd class citizens by the world powers since WW2 and people wonder why some are angry.

[HotHotHeat]

Man, Rerun, you're sure stirring the pot. Did you retire or something?

[Flames Draft Watcher]

Originally Posted by SebC

Religion may not be the root cause of conflict (although I for one believe that it certainly could be), but it definitely makes it harder to resolve them. Give a non-religious person enough of what they want and it's no longer worth it for them to fight you. A religious person is often unable to make the compromises required for conflicts to end.

IMO what needs to happen is that moderate muslims need to marginalize the extremists rather than sympathizing with them.

Well then you're generalizing religions unfairly. Do we ever see Buddhist suicide bombers? Taoist suicide bombers? ETC? Why not? They are also prevalent in poor, subjected areas of the world.

Religions that claim to the be the sole path to salvation, the sole source of truth, the sole way to live forever, create intolerance. There is a history of intolerance in both Christianity and Islam. It creates a feeling of, "I'm right", and "Those guys are wrong". It can help to fuel hatred. Both Christianity and Islam have spread through the world and not always peacefully or by choice. Colonized countries were basically forced to convert in many circumstances to the technologically superior colonizer.

But like I said, one has to take into account the history of the US intervening (or meddling) in the politics and economy of the middle east. Taking down regimes, supporting dictatorial regimes. Their choice to favour Israel and how that is viewed by Arab countries. The history of colonialism in Africa. The drawing of borders that include several ethnic groups that literally hate each other and want to destroy each other and the problems that can have for any sort of governance over those disparate peoples. If your interests are not being represented, you're going to feel repressed, ignored, etc.

If the USSR was the superpower on Earth right now and was assassinating leaders in Canada and supporting other ones who were favourable to their interests we'd probably be outraged as well.

I'm sure there must be some amazingly enlightening books on the causes of religious extremism and violence that talk about the religious factors, the economic factors, the social factors, the cultural factors, etc.

But IMO often it comes down to power. People who feel completely repressed, who have no global voice, often have no recourse other than violence to make their point, to demand their own self-governance. Religion is a part of it but it usually overstated IMO.

[flamingreen]

Originally Posted by Flames Draft Watcher

Well then you're generalizing religions unfairly. Do we ever see Buddhist suicide bombers? Taoist suicide bombers? ETC? Why not? They are also prevalent in poor, subjected areas of the world.

You might remember the terrorist attack in 1995 when some members of Aum Shinrikyo released sarin gas into the Tokyo subway. They were Buddhists.

[666DanceParty]

Ok, maybe the official report was correct and a team of 'muslim extremists' high-jacked a couple airplanes, crashed them into the two steel towers and, made them collapse conveniently inside their own footprint at a free fall pace, which strangely was the only time in history a building like that collapsed it that fashion.

I mean, I am not going to write an essay for you folks but if you can actually believe the official story then all i am saying is do some research...

There is a news report announcing the collapse of Building 7 as it still stood erected over the reporters shoulder. There is no scientific way the pentagon story could have matched up and I am not even going to touch Flight 93... Spend some time on youtube and you will find hundreds of inconsistencies on what the news has tried to lead everyone to believe.

Conspiracy or not, every single one of us was lied to that day. I dont let the news make my decisions anymore.

[burn_this_city]

I wouldnt be surprised if flight 93 was shot down by F-16s.

[Flames Draft Watcher]

Originally Posted by 666DanceParty

Ok, maybe the official report was correct and a team of 'muslim extremists' high-jacked a couple airplanes, crashed them into the two steel towers and, made them collapse conveniently inside their own footprint at a free fall pace, which strangely was the only time in history a building like that collapsed it that fashion.

I mean, I am not going to write an essay for you folks but if you can actually believe the official story then all i am saying is do some research...

There is a news report announcing the collapse of Building 7 as it still stood erected over the reporters shoulder. There is no scientific way the pentagon story could have matched up and I am not even going to touch Flight 93... Spend some time on youtube and you will find hundreds of inconsistencies on what the news has tried to lead everyone to believe.

Conspiracy or not, every single one of us was lied to that day. I dont let the news make my decisions anymore.

I believe this is the thread you were looking for....

http://forum.calgarypuck.com/showthread.php?t=69563

You're a few weeks late to the discussion but inside this thread you will find friends such as Tower and mikey_the_redneck as well a host of others who are skeptical of your claims to conspiracy. Should make for some interesting reading for you.

[Locke]

Originally Posted by 666DanceParty

Ok, maybe the official report was correct and a team of 'muslim extremists' high-jacked a couple airplanes, crashed them into the two steel towers and, made them collapse conveniently inside their own footprint at a free fall pace, which strangely was the only time in history a building like that collapsed it that fashion.

I mean, I am not going to write an essay for you folks but if you can actually believe the official story then all i am saying is do some research...

There is a news report announcing the collapse of Building 7 as it still stood erected over the reporters shoulder. There is no scientific way the pentagon story could have matched up and I am not even going to touch Flight 93... Spend some time on youtube and you will find hundreds of inconsistencies on what the news has tried to lead everyone to believe.

Conspiracy or not, every single one of us was lied to that day. I dont let the news make my decisions anymore.

Again? Theres more? Come on...

[Yeah_Baby]

Originally Posted by HotHotHeat

Man, Rerun, you're sure stirring the pot. Did you retire or something?

I was just about to suggest he wins most controversial thread starter award. But then I thought he might be insulted by my low ball offer.

[bcb]

Originally Posted by 666DanceParty

Ok, maybe the official report was correct and a team of 'muslim extremists' high-jacked a couple airplanes, crashed them into the two steel towers and, made them collapse conveniently inside their own footprint at a free fall pace, which strangely was the only time in history a building like that collapsed it that fashion.

I mean, I am not going to write an essay for you folks but if you can actually believe the official story then all i am saying is do some research...

There is a news report announcing the collapse of Building 7 as it still stood erected over the reporters shoulder. There is no scientific way the pentagon story could have matched up and I am not even going to touch Flight 93... Spend some time on youtube and you will find hundreds of inconsistencies on what the news has tried to lead everyone to believe.

Conspiracy or not, every single one of us was lied to that day. I dont let the news make my decisions anymore.

I take it you've watched "loose change" on You tube and that is now your gospel.

I have close family in New York City who are still reeling from that day.

You make me sick.

[_Q_]

Originally Posted by Locke

Really? That's a bit extreme. Yes let's get rid of 1.7 billion Muslims, since they are obviously inferior to us Westerners. How about we just bomb anyone that's ignorant here in the West too? I'm sure the world can do with a little bit less idiots like yourself if we want to acheive true peace.

[ResAlien]

Originally Posted by _Q_

Really? That's a bit extreme. Yes let's get rid of 1.7 billion Muslims, since they are obviously inferior to us Westerners. How about we just bomb anyone that's ignorant here in the West too? I'm sure the world can do with a little bit less idiots like yourself if we want to acheive true peace.

Relax youngin, did you even look to see who posted that?

[_Q_]

Originally Posted by ResAlien

Relax youngin, did you even look to see who posted that?

Hey just because he has 1 million more posts than myself, it doesn't mean he's allowed to be racist.

[photon]

Originally Posted by peter12

I don't really want to pull this stuff up, but Pew polls and the like have shown a considerable minority of Muslims, around 30%, to show support for suicide murder tactics.

I'd like to see those stats divided up by socioeconomic groupings and/or education or something like that.

If 30% of Muslims support suicide bombers, but a much larger portion of the Muslim community are poor/oppressed/illiterate,etc that could be a factor.

I want to believe FDW's take; religion as a facilitator and enabler but not a source of the conflict.

[666DanceParty]

Originally Posted by bcb

I take it you've watched "loose change" on You tube and that is now your gospel.

I have close family in New York City who are still reeling from that day.

You make me sick.

I am not trying to ruin anyone's day or make you lose their lunch and I am very sorry about your family's suffering.

I believe that was one of the worst days in recent history and I remember that as it went down, the story just didn't make sense. It breaks my heart that so many people died needlessly but I have watched and read quite a little bit more than just "Loose Change" that supports my sense that maybe it just didn't go down like they said it did.

I am pretty new to this site and this is a very interesting topic and I just wanted to make a point that there is no reason whatsoever to be afraid of going on an airplane or of any 'suspicious looking brown people'.

[photon]

Lets keep this thread on topic and conspiracy theory free please, if one wants to discuss it take it to PMs or something.

[Clever_Iggy]

Originally Posted by _Q_

Really? That's a bit extreme.

Just a bit? What would have been a lesser extreme that would have been acceptable?

It's a joke. If you can't appreciate that, you're too sensitive.