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[onetwo_threefour]

Originally Posted by Tower

The court does not have Jurisdiction. Can they bring forth the contract that allows them to administer the action? Nope... not likely. Did the Freeman give his name? In other words did he contract with the judge. (Yes, crossing the BAR or giving your name contracts you to the judge. Sneaky!) You cross the BAR you step on his ship. It's Admiralty law. A "Security interest" because that's what makes "money" and makes good slaves. It is offensive, fraudulent, disrespectful to fellow man and CRIMINAL. A judge dismissing one means nothing. It's a case closed for a freeman. Your Societies Statues mean nothing to one such as him. And those statues will slowly erode to the fecal decaying abyss that they deservedly belong. More people are standing up to the BS. It is Raining Bliss and freedom and Law Society is not invited.

That's three times now.

In response to your insightful and nuanced arguments replying to me in this thread, I feel it behooves me to respond in kind...

I'm kookoo for Cocoa Puffs, ergo your arguments are all wrong.

And watch out for those Societies Statues, they're heavy if they fall on you.

[Hack&Lube]

I work for the Law Society of Alberta. Why didn't anybody tell me that I had the power to create Statutes???

I hereby decree that girls between the ages of 21 and 27 must present themselves to me for statutory inspection whereas such girls fulfill the requirements of being hot. R.S.A. 2009

[fredr123]

Tower, perhaps you can help me understand the end goal of the Freeman movement. I can see the appeal for an individual to avoid taxes or get out of a speeding ticket here or there. Assuming for a moment that what you are espousing is in fact true, what happens when everyone sees the light and becomes a Freeman on the Land?

From what I've read and the examples that have been provided thus far, it seems the real benefit to being a Freeman is taking advantage of the naive masses. As onetwo_threefour and Jammies have hit on, it seems like being a Freeman allows you to take advantage of the credit granted by banks or slurpees provided by 7-11 without upholding your end of the bargain. That, I think, is why a lot of people have a hard time debating the thinkfree movement (along with the sheer lunacy of a lot of the claims... but I digress).

Those are only benefits if a handful of people become enlightened while the rest continue to pay taxes and obey the law and fall in step with the evil edicts of the the Law Society.

What happens when everyone wakes up? Won't that throw everything into chaos? Will I still be able to access CalgaryPuck when I am my own soverign?

[Hack&Lube]

The Freeman movement is a bunch of social anarchist freeriders with the intellect and logical reasoning capacity of 6-year olds. "I want to be free! I don't want to have to listen to the rules! You're not the boss of me! Your rules don't count because you you didn't have my consent since I had my fingers crossed under the desk!"

If you really don't want to adhere to society's laws or the consequences of modern life, go become a hermit and live in a nudist colony. You can't expect to not pay taxes and avoid laws and still accept the services and protections provided by tax dollars and laws or even expect to be able to drive your car without having to pay the price for gas.

[troutman]

And we will be free
And people will see
That when we are free
That's the way we should be

FREE IS WHEN YOU DON'T HAVE TO PAY FOR NOTHING OR DO NOTHING

- Frank Zappa (Teenage Wind)

[CaptainCrunch]

Don't these people usually end up growing beards forgoing showers for long periods of time and living in heavily defended compounds off of the Grid?

[icarus]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

Don't these people usually end up growing beards forgoing showers for long periods of time and living in heavily defended compounds off of the Grid?

Yes they do! Such notables include Randy Weaver, Wiebo Ludwig, and the Unabomber.

[Flames Draft Watcher]

Originally Posted by Tower

Where is this written?

into the fabric of our society

[Bring_Back_Shantz]

I love how Tower falls back to "Where is this written?"
Isn't that sort of a fundamental part of Common Law? That it isn't necessarily written down?

Seems to me implied accpetance of the statutes that govern the use of public roads or any other public service for that matter, is a fundamental part of Common Law.

[Hack&Lube]

Originally Posted by Bring_Back_Shantz

I love how Tower falls back to "Where is this written?"
Isn't that sort of a fundamental part of Common Law? That it isn't necessarily written down?

Yeah, it's the law of precedent and application and interpretation of precedent and not the law of anything that is codified and written down in any civil code.

Of course, these still need to be applied according to Federal and Provincial statutes but these are enacted by the legislature and parliament and theoretically through our duly elected officials. That's another debate there...

[Bobblehead]

Originally Posted by troutman

And we will be free
And people will see
That when we are free
That's the way we should be

FREE IS WHEN YOU DON'T HAVE TO PAY FOR NOTHING OR DO NOTHING

- Frank Zappa (Teenage Wind)

Freedoms just another word for nothin' left to lose

- Kris Kristopherson, performed by Janis Joplin

[Clever_Iggy]

Originally Posted by Tower

And this is why Lawyers are not liked... Lawyer - You have no choice but to follow OUR rules. You do not need to give consent. You are a slave.
HA! See you bring up your Legal mumbo jumbo inside that box that the society you belong to has created. You have no choice due to your oath but to follow. You arguments IMO will soon be obsolete, and those not part of the Law Society will be free from it's BULL. (I have better names for it but I won't use them here.)

Making this monetary system obsolete is also a great thing. Perpetual self-creating debt does nothing but create slaves.

Have you ever needed a lawyer? Are you planning on buying a home, setting up a will/trust for your children with your fellow Freemans without any form of legal assistance? If you commit a crime or get sued are you going to represent yourself and argue Freeman garbage? Absolutely not.

You're a leach and a parasite. You follow the rules when they are convenient for you and pull this crap when they aren't.

You talk a lot of big talk about breaking the rules set up by society that you did not consent to. My guess - you don't break any of them. You think this movement is great and the new wave and you love to preach your passion for the movement, but when it comes down to it, you don't take action.

It honestly frightens me that you may (or have) reproduce someday.

[fredr123]

Canada Revenue Agency's response to the Natural Person argument (along with other tax myths): http://www.cra-arc.gc.ca/nwsrm/myths/menu-eng.html

Myth # 5
The Income Tax Act applies only to corporate entities and not to "natural" persons or human beings. The Common Law rights dating back to the Magna Carta make all taxes on individuals voluntary.

The Facts
These myths have been rejected by Canada's courts. For example, on August 31, 2000, the Ontario Superior Court of Justice issued a ruling rejecting arguments that the Income Tax Act applies only to corporate entities and that all taxes are voluntary.

The judge said, "I find that a 'person' as defined in s. 248(l) of the Income Tax Act includes both a natural person and an artificial person. It follows that the applicant is a 'person' and a 'taxpayer.' … His obligations include the filing of annual income tax returns and the payment of any income tax owing under his returns."

The judge said, "In my view, there is no support in 'the common law, (also known as) the rule of law' for the extremely broad proposition that all taxes are voluntary."

A number of individuals and groups are actively promoting claims that there are lawful ways to declare oneself exempt from tax. Relying on such "advice" could result in anything from late-filing penalties and interest imposed by the CRA to fines and imprisonment imposed by the courts -- in addition to having to pay your taxes.

Before paying for such information, or participating in such groups, seek advice from a trusted and knowledgeable tax professional or the CRA.

[Jason14h]

Oh yeah, like we can trust the Canada Revenue Agency!

[onetwo_threefour]

Originally Posted by Hack&Lube

I work for the Law Society of Alberta. Why didn't anybody tell me that I had the power to create Statutes???

I hereby decree that girls between the ages of 21 and 27 must present themselves to me for statutory inspection whereas such girls fulfill the requirements of being hot. R.S.A. 2009

Ummm... that would be S.A 2009, not R.S.A. , unless you passed one earlier and forgot to tell us... Come on man, you guys at the law society gotta keep us lawyers in the loop with all these crazy statutes you create.

[Bring_Back_Shantz]

So, you know how Tower has absolutely refused to give us an example of how this has worked out for him?
Well I'm not one for calling someone a hypocrite, but I wanted to see if he had started any other crazy threads that I had missed and I stumbled across this little tidbit that I think is relevant.

http://forum.calgarypuck.com/showpos...31&postcount=1

In particular I really enjoyed this part:

"What I believe and what needs to be brought out can only be said with facts or it's just a bunch of crap, or verbal diarrhea. So... if I experience something. If I succeeded in anyway - eg. everyones favorite topic "Remitance" - then I will post it. With facts and data.

It should be fun!"

Should be fun indeed!

Edit: He He He, there are also threads where he
a) asks for help from a lawyer
and
b) gets all excited about the price of gas

Of course those are both before he posted his first Freeman-on-the-land thread, so I'd be interested if declaring himself a freeman-on-the-land, if his need for a lawyer went away, and if he now doesn't care about the price of gas becasue he pays for it with old speeding tickets.

Should be pretty simple for him to let us know, seeing as how he explictly told us that he would do so if any of this stuff worked for him.

Still waiting...........

[Tower]

Originally Posted by onetwo_threefour

That's three times now.


And watch out for those Societies Statues, they're heavy if they fall on you.

And you will receive 20 time if so. Banks make money out of thin air. There is no responsibility moral or otherwise to pay. Fractional Banking it is called. And THAT SIR is immoral.


Society will FLEX it's juiced up muscle. It will intimidate to get it's way....

[ResAlien]

Originally Posted by Tower

And you will receive 20 time if so. Banks make money out of thin air. There is no responsibility moral or otherwise to pay. Fractional Banking it is called. And THAT SIR is immoral.


Society will FLEX it's juiced up muscle. It will intimidate to get it's way....

You really need to go back to the Brick "Loud Noises!" avatar. It really fit you much better.

By the way, any chance you'll take me up on my request for you to provide one single instance when your garbage actually worked somewhere? Just once? You won't, because you're so full of BS that it's palpable.

[kermitology]

Originally Posted by Tower

And you will receive 20 time if so. Banks make money out of thin air. There is no responsibility moral or otherwise to pay. Fractional Banking it is called. And THAT SIR is immoral.


Society will FLEX it's juiced up muscle. It will intimidate to get it's way....

What?

Fractional banking is the basis by which our monetary system works. It works on credit. What a bank actually holds in it's inventory at any given point is a fraction of what each person who banks with the bank has held by the bank. (Hence fractional)

The money that is deposited into a bank by a person is then held in trust by the bank under the condition that it can be reclaimed by the person at any time, and then the duty is on the bank to provide those funds.

Now, it wouldn't make much sense if all the banks just kept that money in the vault, no, it make far more sense to loan it out to other people in need of credit, mortgages, cash, etc.

So they don't make money out of thin air. They just transfer credit.

If every single person went to a bank and demanded their money in cash, then likely the bank would ask each person they've loaned money to for the money back. But doing so would destroy the financial system.

And while I realize that this is all a ploy for you to get attention, I still feel compelled to attempt to enlighten you.

You do realize the effect that all persons in society living in a pure cash based system would turn into? It's anarchy. I'm pretty sure you're into that, but it's ANARCHY. It's not a way to actually live.

[Tower]

Originally Posted by Bring_Back_Shantz

http://forum.calgarypuck.com/showpos...31&postcount=1

In particular I really enjoyed this part:

"What I believe and what needs to be brought out can only be said with facts or it's just a bunch of crap, or verbal diarrhea. So... if I experience something. If I succeeded in anyway - eg. everyones favorite topic "Remitance" - then I will post it. With facts and data.

It should be fun!"

Should be fun indeed!

Edit: He He He, there are also threads where he
a) asks for help from a lawyer
and
b) gets all excited about the price of gas

I am so grateful for Lawyers here to take the position they did. Knowledge is key.

As for offers... HA! You don't get it! I don't care if you don't believe me. I posted info on the PPSA which tells you exactly what payments are. Reference that! Or do you not understand what was written there. The PPSA is the equivalent of the UCC in the states (adopted by the UN and used world wide)... Take a Blacks Law dictonary and break down some ACTs. Start with a simple one. The Moter Vehicle Act.

What is a Driver.


AAAAAAAANNNNND done. Becuse YOU won't do anything for yourself. You act like children, thus need to be spoon fed.