Obamacare for old folks: Just 'cut your life short'

[HotHotHeat]

I'm so incredibly sick of Tower and his agenda.

[Blaster86]

Originally Posted by HotHotHeat

I'm so incredibly sick of Tower and his agenda.

Gee, now you know how we felt =|

[EDBTZ12]

Originally Posted by flip

Hey EDBTZ12, you earned this:

Principal: Mr. Madison, what you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.
Billy Madison: Okay, a simple "wrong" would've done just fine.

As per usual, you are Mr Madison.

(for anyone counting this is only the 6th or 7th time I've busted this out, so you are among elite company)

Instead of trying to be funny why dont you tell me what you think is wrong with my post.

[EDBTZ12]

Originally Posted by Flames in 07

You know that there is two sides to the coin right? more people may mean more costs, but it means more revenue as well, that 3% would be applied to alot of money.

Some of your posts in this thread suggest that you have to ignore alot of simple and factual datapoints to get to the conclusions you do.

I don't know what's perfect for the US as it relates to health care, but I can tell you with all the confidence in the world that the president that you think is a fraud helped paved the way to avoid financial armageddon about 5 months ago. Speak to very senior bankers and traders and they'll tell you that although they may not have been inches away, there was a very real scenario of all banks crashing in the US, then all entities would have removed their credit in every way they could, with each other and with their own banks.

To have the last 7 months unfold and for you to say that Obama is a fraud only means one thing, and that is you are not burdened to deal with reality very often.

Obama helped pave way to avoid financial armageddon? You must be sipping on that Kool-aid if you think thats true.

Please show proof of this supposed SuperMan Obama saving washington because last time i checked banks did go into bankruptcy and the auto industry is damaged beyond repair.

Facts would be nice.

[Blaster86]

Originally Posted by EDBTZ12

Instead of trying to be funny why dont you tell me what you think is wrong with my post.

Because sometimes a dose of ones own medicine is funny for others.

This is one of those cases.

I lol'd

[Flames Draft Watcher]

Originally Posted by EDBTZ12

* Canada has 10 percent of the population.
* America debt is 57 trillion dollars or 186,000 per man woman or child. http://mwhodges.home.att.net/nat-debt/debt-nat.htm
* America has millions of illegals which will be hard to keep out of Public health care.
* huge recession in America alot worse than Canada.
*Canadas income per person is higher than Americans

You can buy a house in Detroit for about $15,000. Do you really think that someone who can barely afford to pay their mortgage or even put food on their plate will be able to afford the premium?

I know healthcare is important and it really is a terrible cycle to be in and i wish they eventually do get the universal health care system they need but realistically i dont see it happening for atleast 20 years.

In my Economics and Government course I took a few years back in University we did a comparison of Canadian, British and US health care systems.

Off the top of my head I think in the US they spend almost double the percentage of GDP that Canada does on health care for a crappier system. Britain has a public/public system which sounded fairly good albeit with some drawbacks. Canada's public/private system also sounded good. The US's private/private system sounded like a real hotbed of corruption of interests with Doctor's wanting to prescribe more expensive treatments in order to get paid more.

Universal health care should save Americans money, money which presumably would be redirected in the economy and probably help the economic downturn.

[MacFlame]

How does one write the title of this thread the way it is written by reading THAT article? Good grief. A little dramatic no? The title of this thread should be changed..is this article from the onion. Seriously.

[EDBTZ12]

Originally Posted by Flames Draft Watcher

In my Economics and Government course I took a few years back in University we did a comparison of Canadian, British and US health care systems.

Off the top of my head I think in the US they spend almost double the percentage of GDP that Canada does on health care for a crappier system. Britain has a public/public system which sounded fairly good albeit with some drawbacks. Canada's public/private system also sounded good. The US's private/private system sounded like a real hotbed of corruption of interests with Doctor's wanting to prescribe more expensive treatments in order to get paid more.

Universal health care should save Americans money, money which presumably would be redirected in the economy and probably help the economic downturn.

I agree that healthcare would benefit the economy in the long run but i just can't see it happening in Obama's term as president.

That's all im trying to say. America is broke right now more broke than they have ever been so i kinda hard to believe they would now implement a universal healthcare system.

Really is sad that kids whose parents are broke can't get affordable healthcare in the "greatest country in the world"

[bcb]

Originally Posted by Flames Draft Watcher

In my Economics and Government course I took a few years back in University we did a comparison of Canadian, British and US health care systems.

Off the top of my head I think in the US they spend almost double the percentage of GDP that Canada does on health care for a crappier system. Britain has a public/public system which sounded fairly good albeit with some drawbacks. Canada's public/private system also sounded good. The US's private/private system sounded like a real hotbed of corruption of interests with Doctor's wanting to prescribe more expensive treatments in order to get paid more.

Universal health care should save Americans money, money which presumably would be redirected in the economy and probably help the economic downturn.

I agree that our system is far better than the American one, but even the Supreme Court of Canada agreed it was cruel and unusual punishment forcing people to wait 2 years to get a hip replacement.

If we could solve the wait times issue, our system would be golden, me thinks.

[mikey_the_redneck]

At the end of the day, Obama will just be the face of frustaration for Americans. He is a likeable guy, charismatic, really good at reading speeches from a teleprompter.
But at the end of his tenure, whenever that is, the U.S.A. will be in more debt than ever, and their currency will be in the toilet. You can thank a sustained war in Iraq/Afghanistan and the big bank bail-out for that. The troops ain't comin' home folks.........

[Agamemnon]

Originally Posted by bcb

I agree that our system is far better than the American one, but even the Supreme Court of Canada agreed it was cruel and unusual punishment forcing people to wait 2 years to get a hip replacement.

If we could solve the wait times issue, our system would be golden, me thinks.

If I could censor the font in your sig, I would. Super-annoying.

[Azure]

But on Saturday, the Congressional Budget Office said the proposal to give an independent panel the power to keep Medicare spending in check would only save about $2 billion over 10 years- a drop in the bucket compared to the bill's $1 trillion price tag.

"In CBO's judgment, the probability is high that no savings would be realized ... but there is also a chance that substantial savings might be realized. Looking beyond the 10-year budget window, CBO expects that this proposal would generate larger but still modest savings on the same probabilistic basis," CBO Director Douglas Elmendorf wrote in a letter to House Majority Leader Steny Hoyer on Saturday.

http://www.politico.com/news/stories...#ixzz0MOSpTzRu

[wittynickname]

Originally Posted by EDBTZ12

Obama helped pave way to avoid financial armageddon? You must be sipping on that Kool-aid if you think thats true.

Please show proof of this supposed SuperMan Obama saving washington because last time i checked banks did go into bankruptcy and the auto industry is damaged beyond repair.

Facts would be nice.

I'm certainly not saying Obama has fixed anything--but can you really blame him for the banks going into bankruptcy and the auto industry being destroyed?

All the crap with the banking industry hit the fan last autumn, and the auto industry has been a mess for years now. He might not be fixing it, nor am I claiming that he's done anything positive in regards to it, but by that same token, you can't blame him for all of it going wrong, as these were problems that were pre-existing before he stepped into office.

[Azure]

Only someone that is completely insane would blame Obama for any of this.

I don't think you can even blame Bush. The auto crisis goes back 30-40 years. I read an article lately that said GM has been falling apart for over 30 years now.

The problem is Obama's reckless spending thinking it will somehow solve the crisis.

[Jordan!]

Let me tell you, moving from Canada to the U.S. the only thing that bothers me is the lack of affordable health care. Even if you have health care you're not guaranteed treatment.

It's pretty terrifying actually. I'm literally praying this gets passed, and i'm not religious. Health Care is one thing NOBODY should need to worry about.

[Flame Of Liberty]

Originally Posted by wittynickname

I'm certainly not saying Obama has fixed anything--but can you really blame him for the banks going into bankruptcy and the auto industry being destroyed?

All the crap with the banking industry hit the fan last autumn, and the auto industry has been a mess for years now. He might not be fixing it, nor am I claiming that he's done anything positive in regards to it, but by that same token, you can't blame him for all of it going wrong, as these were problems that were pre-existing before he stepped into office.

Yeah, Obama himself cannot be blamed, but his Democratic and union brethren can.

[wittynickname]

Originally Posted by Flame Of Liberty

Yeah, Obama himself cannot be blamed, but his Democratic and union brethren can.

I don't know that you can blame it on any one party. Seems like the whole thing included a whole lot of people on both sides--and far outside of the political scene--fataing up for a very long time, and all of that finally catching up to them.

My father works in the automobile market--American automakers have had signs of this coming for ten years, but they ignored it. While foreign car companies started making smaller, fuel efficient models, Chevrolet, Ford, Dodge, etc. were still making massive trucks and SUVs, gas guzzlers--they ignored the changing times. This is their own doing. I find it hard to blame that on a president who's been in office for seven months.

[EDBTZ12]

Originally Posted by wittynickname

I'm certainly not saying Obama has fixed anything--but can you really blame him for the banks going into bankruptcy and the auto industry being destroyed?

All the crap with the banking industry hit the fan last autumn, and the auto industry has been a mess for years now. He might not be fixing it, nor am I claiming that he's done anything positive in regards to it, but by that same token, you can't blame him for all of it going wrong, as these were problems that were pre-existing before he stepped into office.

I'm certainly not blaming Obama for any of the problems. None of the current problems are his fault and i certainly didn't suggest that.

[wittynickname]

Originally Posted by EDBTZ12

I'm certainly not blaming Obama for any of the problems. None of the current problems are his fault and i certainly didn't suggest that.

I was just clarifying that, because it was implied earlier in the thread by someone (I don't recall who now, and I'm too lazy to go look) that he was a failure because these problems existed.

I tend to think you won't know the true impact a president has until at least halfway into his first term, because with the way things go in this country, it takes about that long to get anything done. I'm reserving judgment until he's truly had a chance to make an impact on life as I know it.

I end up detached from a lot of the current economic struggle, however--Pittsburgh/South Western Pennsylvania hit it's huge economic crisis 20 years ago when the steel mills all closed. We've been rebuilding ever since--and now, this current economic downturn hasn't really affected us as much, because we already know how to deal with it.

[Azure]

Originally Posted by Bouw N Arrow

Let me tell you, moving from Canada to the U.S. the only thing that bothers me is the lack of affordable health care. Even if you have health care you're not guaranteed treatment.

It's pretty terrifying actually. I'm literally praying this gets passed, and i'm not religious. Health Care is one thing NOBODY should need to worry about.

You know what would be more terrifying? A US 'federal' government mandated health care system.

This should be a state issue anyways. No way the Federal Government could deal with health care without screwing something up.