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View Poll Results: Do you believe man walked on the moon?
Yes- man walked on the moon 239 89.51%
No- it was all faked 28 10.49%
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Old 07-16-2009, 12:33 PM   #21
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The flag poll was L-shaped to cause the flag to stand out straight. It appears to be waving because the astronauts were handling the pole: if you bump a flag pole or the flag itself on the moon, it'll actually wave more than it would on the earth for two reasons: one, gravity is what ultimately causes a flag to 'hang', and less gravity means that it will return to hang straight up and down slowly; two, atmosphere provides resistance that keeps the flag hanging straight. No atmosphere, and the flag will move around more.
I would believe your point if you say the flag was made from steel.
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what exactly do you want explained?
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Old 07-16-2009, 12:33 PM   #23
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IN short, yes we landed on the moon.

Glenflames, I urge you to read everything in the following link:

http://www.badastronomy.com/bad/tv/foxapollo.html

It will thoroughly go through and answer your problems you have posted thus far and then some.
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Old 07-16-2009, 12:34 PM   #24
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I would believe your point if you say the flag was made from steel.
Why are conspiracy theorists experts in practically anything?

So far this board's resident nuts have proclaimed their expertise in law, politics, biology, astronomy, economics, international finance...
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This is so dumb. I really wish Nasa would send a spy sattelite or a probe with a good camera to the moon to take pics of the landing sites. Think about how many people would be in on a ficticious moon landing. There would be no way to conceal it for this long.
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They did this on Mythbusters if you look at your picture there is a pole that runs vertically across the top to hold the flag up.
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Old 07-16-2009, 12:36 PM   #27
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It's actually funny, overestimating one's expertise in something and making all kinds of wild claims and saying how gullible others are, how they are free thinkers, when in fact they end up being the most gullible ones of all.
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They did this on Mythbusters if you look at your picture there is a pole that runs vertically across the top to hold the flag up.
You can clearly see the rod on the photograph.
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I don't think the flag looks like it's waving. Looks more like a crumpled up curtain.
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This is so dumb. I really wish Nasa would send a spy sattelite or a probe with a good camera to the moon to take pics of the landing sites. Think about how many people would be in on a ficticious moon landing. There would be no way to conceal it for this long.
There is actually a probe that will do this pretty soon (that's not its purpose, but it can see that small of things).

That won't be convincing though, because the probe is from NASA, so of course they'll fake those too.

And the fact you can bounce a laser off of a station setup on the moon by the guys that went to the moon.. well who knows how they explain that.
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The really terrible thing about this is we watched the documentary that was originally on FOX in 8th grade science class and the teacher presented it as fact. Ah that Las Vegas education was top notch.
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Explain what? The fact that the flag looks like it was bunched up in storage for a while and its wrinkles are overly pronounced, almost as if there's less gravity acting on it to make it drape smoothly?
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One of the NASA photos is fake because the shadows of the rocks and lunar lander are not parallel.
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The Mythbusters built a small-scale replica of the lunar landing site based on the photograph, using reflective sand similar to that found on the Moon, and a single light to represent the Sun. Next, they took a photo which was exactly the same as the NASA photo, including the differing shadows. The Mythbusters explained that the shadows were not parallel because of the way the light falls on the Moon’s natural topography.

One of the NASA photos is fake because Neil Armstrong can be clearly seen while in the shadow of the lunar lander.
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To test this myth, the Mythbusters built a large-scale replica of the landing site, allowing them to take a photo which was nearly identical to the original NASA photo. The Mythbusters explained that Armstrong was visible because of ambient light being reflected off of the Moon’s surface.

A flag cannot flap in a vacuum.
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The Build Team placed a replica of the American flag planted on the moon into a vacuum chamber at the Marshall Space Flight Center. They first tested at normal pressure and manipulated the flag. The momentum moved the flag around but the motion quickly dissipated. In vacuum conditions, manipulating the flag caused it to flap vigorously as if it were being blown by a breeze. This demonstrated that a flag could appear to wave in a vacuum, as the Apollo flag did.

A clear footprint cannot be made in vacuum because there is no moisture to hold its shape.
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The Build Team first tested whether dry or wet sand made a more distinguishable footprint by stepping in them with an astronaut boot. It was clear that the wet footprint had more detail than the dry footprint. They then placed sand similar in composition to the Moon’s soil in a vacuum chamber and stepped on it with an astronaut boot, which made a clear print. The reason provided for this was that the unique composition of lunar soil allows it to behave differently than terrestrial soil.

The film of the astronauts moonwalking is actually film of the astronauts skipping in front of a high-framerate camera, slowing down the picture and giving the illusion they are on the Moon.
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Adam donned a replica NASA spacesuit and mimicked the astronauts’ motions while being filmed by a slow motion camera. They also attached Adam to wires in order to mimic the Moon’s lower gravity. While comparing their new footage with the original footage, the Mythbusters noted an initial similarity, but there were several small discrepancies attributable to filming in Earth’s gravity. In order to film in microgravity, the Mythbusters boarded a Reduced Gravity Aircraft and filmed the exact same movements. Adam noted that the movements were more comfortable and more logical in microgravity, and their footage from the plane looked exactly like the original NASA film. The Mythbusters concluded that the moon landing film is authentic.

The Apollo astronauts left behind special equipment on the Moon like reflectors that scientists can bounce lasers off of.
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The Mythbusters went to an observatory equipped with a high powered laser. They first fired at the bare lunar surface but did not detect the laser bouncing back. Then they pointed the laser at a reflector left behind by NASA and received a confirmed bounce.
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Like others have said, the flag is clearly supported along it's top edge. The low gravity, combined with no friction from air resistance, would make the flag "wave" for quite a while due to the inertia in the flag.

Common Sense really.
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Tin foil hat kitty wants to thank you for this thread.

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The Big Picture features Apollo 11 pictures today.

Those with critical thinking skills will likely enjoy them.

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Where are these guys coming from!?
The moon?
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IN short, yes we landed on the moon.

Glenflames, I urge you to read everything in the following link:

http://www.badastronomy.com/bad/tv/foxapollo.html

It will thoroughly go through and answer your problems you have posted thus far and then some.

I will remember everything in this article and then we human will find out whether it is fake or not after whatever Indian, Chines, Russian, or Japanese land on the moon. Anyhow, they will bring a lot of good pics to explain the difference.
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Is it really true that GlenFlame just wants to screw with us and get a reaction out of us in this thread?
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