MJMDT (Michael Jackson Memorial Day Thread) - Page 17 - Calgarypuck Forums - The Unofficial Calgary Flames Fan Community

CMPunk · 07-13-2009, 11:49 PM

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Originally Posted by NHL009

What "crap"?

I just don't get how any rational individual can say, with a straight face, that anybody is bigger than Michael Jackson.

I just don't get it.

According to all time record sales, The Beatles, Elvis and Bing Crosby are all bigger then Jackson

NHL009 · 07-13-2009, 11:51 PM

They sold over 750 Million albums?

jayswin · 07-13-2009, 11:51 PM

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Originally Posted by NHL009

Why can't anybody in this thread tell me who was bigger? because you let personal Bias get to you.

It's like asking who is better? Calgary (Johnny Cash or any other artist) or Detroit (Michael Jackson)?

It's the way you're going about this that is annoying. It reminds me of those posters that make an outlandish claim (I'm not saying your claim specificly is outlandish) and then sit back and go "okay, now that I've made this claim, it's up to the rest of CP to go out and do some research and present a bunch of facts to prove me wrong, or else I'm right."

Johnny Cash was hugely influencial, and your comments are very childish, and honestly don't sound like they're coming from a 27 year old man. The fact that you're using the fact that you hadn't heard of him before this thread shows how this debate is going to go. I'm not so in love in Cash that your comments about him being a dinsoaur and irrelevent are going to make me upset or lash out at you, however, those comments do prove that you know very little musical history.

Here's the thing, if you knew how popular Johnny Cash was and how influencial was on so many musicians, but just didn't like his music, that would be one thing, and most people would be able to live with that. but to say that he's irrelevent and that you apparantly don't know anything about him is just silly.

CMPunk · 07-13-2009, 11:52 PM

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Originally Posted by NHL009

They sold over 750 Million albums?

Yes

The Beatles and Elvis have sold over a billion records and Bing is in at 750 million

NHL009 · 07-13-2009, 11:53 PM

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Originally Posted by flameswin

It's the way you're going about this that is annoying. It reminds me of those posters that make an outlandish claim (I'm not saying your claim specificly is outlandish) and then sit back and go "okay, now that I've made this claim, it's up to the rest of CP to go out and do some research and present a bunch of facts to prove me wrong, or else I'm right."

Johnny Cash was hugely influencial, and your comments are very childish, and honestly don't sound like they're coming from a 27 year old man. The fact that you're using the fact that you hadn't heard of him before this thread shows how this debate is going to go. I'm not so in love in Cash that your comments about him being a dinsoaur and irrelevent are going to make me upset or lash out at you, however, those comments do prove that you know very little musical history.

Here's the thing, if you knew how popular Johnny Cash was and how influencial was on so many musicians, but just didn't like his music, that would be one thing, and most people would be able to live with that. but to say that he's irrelevent and that you apparantly don't know anything about him is just silly.

I'm not even messing with people. I literally heard about Johnny Cash from this website.

The guy might have been big, but he wasn't the greatest. That's my whole point.

NHL009 · 07-13-2009, 11:54 PM

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Originally Posted by J pold

Well I think Paul McCartney is bigger than Micheal Jackson, and you think you're bigger than Paul McCartney so.

You think you're bigger than Micheal Jackson?

Which would mean you're not a 'rational individual'.

This all makes sense.

Worst posts ever.

J pold · 07-13-2009, 11:54 PM

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Originally Posted by NHL009

They sold over 750 Million albums?

Yes, The Beatles and Elvis both sold over a billion records.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of..._music_artists

FlamesAddiction · 07-13-2009, 11:54 PM

Albums sold does not equal musical greatness. People buy crap all the time, especially when it is marketed to be "hip". I'd bet that a large portion of people who bought Michael Jackson albums did so just to "fit in".

It's like saying McDonald's is the pinnacle of cuisine because they have served over 1 billion people.

NHL009 · 07-13-2009, 11:55 PM

BOTH? So now ur combing artists to make your argument better? LOL

Pathetic.

NHL009 · 07-13-2009, 11:56 PM

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Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

Album sales does not equal musical greatness. People buy crap all the time, especially when it is marketed to be "hip". I'd bet that a large portion of people who bought Michael Jackson albums did so just to "fit in".

It's like saying McDonald's is the pinnacle of cuisine because they have served over 1 billion people.

In this case it's even about album sales. It's about being a pioneer. What other artist took money out of his own pocket and made a video like Thriller?

RougeUnderoos · 07-13-2009, 11:56 PM

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Originally Posted by NHL009

What "crap"?

I just don't get how any rational individual can say, with a straight face, that anybody is bigger than Michael Jackson.

I just don't get it.

It's quite obvious that you don't get it.

I don't think anyone has argued that Johnny Cash was "bigger" than Michael Jackson. He wasn't as famous. You Win!

Michael Jackson was certainly more famous than almost anyone in the world. Does that make everyone else, including the people you have somehow never heard of, "irrelevant"?

Does Michael Jackson's fame make him the greatest musician the world has ever heard?

Nope.

Well, maybe it does. Name a musician you like (besides Michael Jackson, if there are any others). By your logic, Britney Spears is "better" than whoever you name, because she's more famous.

I honestly am embarrassed to be be engaged in this idiotic argument.

jayswin · 07-13-2009, 11:56 PM

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Originally Posted by NHL009

BOTH? So now ur combing artists to make your argument better? LOL

Pathetic.

No, they both sold over a billion records each. Now you just called someone pathetic because you misinterpreted their post. Nice job kiddo.

NHL009 · 07-13-2009, 11:57 PM

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Originally Posted by RougeUnderoos

It's quite obvious that you don't get it.

I don't think anyone has argued that Johnny Cash was "bigger" than Michael Jackson. He wasn't as famous. You Win!

Michael Jackson was certainly more famous than almost anyone in the world. Does that make everyone else, including the people you have somehow never heard of, "irrelevant"?

Does Michael Jackson's fame make him the greatest musician the world has ever heard?

Nope.

Well, maybe it does. Name a musician you like (besides Michael Jackson, if there are any others). By your logic, Britney Spears is "better" than whoever you name, because she's more famous.

I honestly am embarrassed to be be engaged in this idiotic argument.

Thanks. One person finally admitted it.

CMPunk · 07-13-2009, 11:58 PM

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Originally Posted by NHL009

I'm not even messing with people. I literally heard about Johnny Cash from this website.

The guy might have been big, but he wasn't the greatest. That's my whole point.

Cash has sold over 50 million records, so obviously a few people have heard of him.

While not reading the whole thread, I highly doubt anyone claimed Cash was the greatest, maybe one of the greats.

Everything is subjective and you just have to learn to live with it. Jackson may have sold 750 million records, but I've never owned one and you couldn't pay me enough to goto any of his concerts. Of the two, I'd pay money to see Cash before Jackson

NHL009 · 07-13-2009, 11:58 PM

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Originally Posted by flameswin

No, they both sold over a billion records each. Now you just called someone pathetic becaise you misinterpreted their post. Nice job kiddo.

If somebody can't type a proper sentence, I'm at fault? How does a guy from the Beatles get outbid for his own song catalogue?

J pold · 07-13-2009, 11:58 PM

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Originally Posted by NHL009

BOTH? So now ur combing artists to make your argument better? LOL

Pathetic.

Where in my post did I say combined?

Each of them sold over a billion records.

NHL009 · 07-14-2009, 12:00 AM

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Originally Posted by CMPunk

Cash has sold over 50 million records, so obviously a few people have heard of him.

While not reading the whole thread, I highly doubt anyone claimed Cash was the greatest, maybe one of the greats.

Everything is subjective and you just have to learn to live with it. Jackson may have sold 750 million records, but I've never owned one and you couldn't pay me enough to goto any of his concerts. Of the two, I'd pay money to see Cash before Jackson

That's your opinion right. I'm glad you actually posted a rational response. Well it would be hard to see jackson anyways. He never came to Canada besides his Victory tour.

CMPunk · 07-14-2009, 12:00 AM

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Originally Posted by NHL009

If somebody can't type a proper sentence, I'm at fault? How does a guy from the Beatles get outbid for his own song catalogue?

The sentence was fine, you just chose to no read it properly

J pold · 07-14-2009, 12:00 AM

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Originally Posted by NHL009

How does a guy from the Beatles get outbid for his own song catalogue?

What does this have to do with the number of albums The Beatles sold?

CMPunk · 07-14-2009, 12:01 AM

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Originally Posted by J pold

What does this have to do with the number of albums The Beatles sold?

Nothing, he's picking another fight