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[valo403]

Originally Posted by MJM

I don't really understand the people bashing Brock Lesnar for his post-fight behaviour. Frank Mir is the biggest POS in MMA. He talked, and talked, and talked for weeks before the fight and previously called Lesnar out (I still don't understand why, the only reason he won the first fight was the UFC was nervous was Lesnar would do if he got on top and they likely instructed the ref if it happened to pull him off early).

All week Lesnar's been saying he'd do his talking on Saturday night, and he did. You interview a guy as jacked up as he was seconds after beating the tar out of someone who ran their mouth for months, and you gotta expect some fireworks.

The Bud Light comment was unnecessary though, and i'm sure Dana White is mad as hell about that.

Maybe the stupidest thing I've read on here in a while.

[valo403]

Originally Posted by fleury

GSP's fight wasn't a great one. Again, I guess I'm taking the guy for granted, but he's so well conditioned, that he seems to outshine guys when it gets past the 3rd round, or into the last few minutes of each round. It works, but I would really like to see him work on his striking ability when he's up against Anderson Silva. We all know GSP can take guys down, but with a guy like Silva, he gotta be prepared to duke it out and I'd like to see some serious haymakers thrown.

So you expect him to stand and trade punches with a guy who's best asset is his ability to stand and trade punches? Why would GSP cater to the only area of the fight that Alves can match him in, GSP is the better fighter in every other facet he would be an idiot to allow that fight to turn into a striking contest.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by MJM

I don't really understand the people bashing Brock Lesnar for his post-fight behaviour. Frank Mir is the biggest POS in MMA. He talked, and talked, and talked for weeks before the fight and previously called Lesnar out (I still don't understand why, the only reason he won the first fight was the UFC was nervous was Lesnar would do if he got on top and they likely instructed the ref if it happened to pull him off early).

All week Lesnar's been saying he'd do his talking on Saturday night, and he did. You interview a guy as jacked up as he was seconds after beating the tar out of someone who ran their mouth for months, and you gotta expect some fireworks.

The Bud Light comment was unnecessary though, and i'm sure Dana White is mad as hell about that.

Lesnar is a tool that happens to be a very large, strong man. 'I may bed my wife tonight'? It doesn't get an lamer than that. He's the champion of a weight class where there is really no real talent which is why he was fighting Mir in the first place. He's beaten the average guy (Mir) and the old guy (Couture) and that's pretty well it now. White has to figure out how he can persuade ($$$$) Fedor to agree to a championship fight with Lesnar as the whole division is a joke at the moment. Even then when Fedor most likely wins, then Lesnar gets his rematch (most likely loses again) then it's back to square one of no other talent.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by valo403

So you expect him to stand and trade punches with a guy who's best asset is his ability to stand and trade punches? Why would GSP cater to the only area of the fight that Alves can match him in, GSP is the better fighter in every other facet he would be an idiot to allow that fight to turn into a striking contest.

While it wasn't a knockout it was a near perfect fight for GSP. Take away the groin injury and he probably came away less beat up than most of his 3 round fights which shows how dominant he was against his supposed toughest challenge.

[valo403]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

Lesnar is a tool that happens to be a very large, strong man. 'I may bed my wife tonight'? It doesn't get an lamer than that. He's the champion of a weight class where there is really no real talent which is why he was fighting Mir in the first place. He's beaten the average guy (Mir) and the old guy (Couture) and that's pretty well it now. White has to figure out how he can persuade ($$$$) Fedor to agree to a championship fight with Lesnar as the whole division is a joke at the moment. Even then when Fedor most likely wins, then Lesnar gets his rematch (most likely loses again) then it's back to square one of no other talent.

that's the problem with the heavyweight division in the UFC, it's legitimacy is really questionable simply because the 2 best guys in the world aren't in it and there is no depth at all. Your champion has only won 4 fights and they're over a guy who should have stayed retired and a guy who doesn't exactly have a stellar resume of his own (and Lesnar is only 1-1 against Mir).

Lesnar may have the belt, but the only people who consider him the best are Lesnar fanboys. If a Lesnar-Fedor match happens I'd expect it would push for being the largest pay-per-view event in history, it would be rocky level epic. Without that fight though the division is going to be incredibly boring unless Mir, or somebody else, can find a way to beat Lesnar. Watching one guy prove he's the best in the world over and over again is entertaining, watching a bunch of guys fight over being 2nd or 3rd best is entertaining, watching one guy prove he's 3rd best without ever fighting number 1 or 2 is not.

[valo403]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

While it wasn't a knockout it was a near perfect fight for GSP. Take away the groin injury and he probably came away less beat up than most of his 3 round fights which shows how dominant he was against his supposed toughest challenge.

Yep, the only mistake he made was that sloppy attempt to take the back which lead to his groin injury, but even then his butterfly guard was incredible. The fact he can pop his groin and still control a guy in his guard is pretty mind blowing.

It'll be interesting to see what happens next. Moving up to 185 isn't a good idea IMO, GSP walks around at 185 he'd be outweighed by a good 25lbs in a fight at 185. If Silva dispatches Griffin (which isn't a given, Forrest isn't a pushover for anyone) I hope the GSP fight happens at a catch weight. I'd hate to see that fight turn on size when it should be about who is the better fighter.

[Ozy_Flame]

Ahh, some of you guys are in post-PPV mode and clearly worked up over Lesnar's antics.

The difference is, the man can walk the walk when he talks the talk. And besides, there has been plenty of trash talking and antics in the UFC. And like every other time, we will almost completely forget about any of these shenanigans once we witness another great PPV or amazing fight.

Don't get too worked up over it, people! Besides, you're going to tune into the next Lesnar fight anyways to see if he gets his ass kicked, so Lesnar gets his attention, White bumps up his PPV buy rate, and you get your chance to watch Brock get a beat down.

Everybody wins.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by Ozy_Flame

The difference is, the man can walk the walk when he talks the talk.

He beat a smaller man of average ability. Even his fight with a retirement ready Couture was unimpressive. Beating up smaller men is hardly anything to talk about. The guy is an idiot. He's the least talented of all the UFC titleholders by a mile.

[Ozy_Flame]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

He beat a smaller man of average ability. Even his fight with a retirement ready Couture was unimpressive. Beating up smaller men is hardly anything to talk about. The guy is an idiot. He's the least talented of all the UFC titleholders by a mile.

And winning by a mile.

You can think up of all the excuses to bash Lesnar and say that he's being hand-fed opponents, but it's so easy to do that because you have a hate-on for him and his antics.

And the guy is only getting better in the ring. This fight was light years ahead of his first fight against Mir.

[ResAlien]

My opinion on Lesnar has been that since he's just so freaking big, he could completely dominate the weight class for a long time. By virtue of his size, he can dominate everyone else by just being above average in his fighting techniques. I don't care about his antics, and he did apologise in the post fight interviews for his actions, also had a big bottle of bud light in front of him.

As for Henderson, I was cracking up at his quote after the fight. When Joe Rogan asked him about knowing if Bisbing was knocked out, he replied something along the lines of "Yeah, I did, the first one was to knock him out, the second one was to shut him up a little."

[valo403]

Originally Posted by Ozy_Flame

And winning by a mile.

You can think up of all the excuses to bash Lesnar and say that he's being hand-fed opponents, but it's so easy to do that because you have a hate-on for him and his antics.

And the guy is only getting better in the ring. This fight was light years ahead of his first fight against Mir.

Winning by a mile? Last night, yes, but in his 3 UFC wins last night was the only one that was a total domination. It's hard to say what will happen going forward.

I don't know anyone can argue he's being hand fed opponents, and I haven't seen anyone here argue that, as he's fought the best the UFC has to offer. The fact remains that he hasn't fought either of the 2 best HW's in the world though, so forgive me for not praising him as the greatest.

I don't really care about him getting in Mir's face afterwards, it's kind of expected from a guy too stupid to understand that 95% of the pre-fight trash talk in MMA is based on a desire to sell the fight. I do find it funny that he pulls the 'I'll let my actions speak for me' card and then feels the need to yap afterwards, but whatever. He does put a bad image on the sport with that crap though, today people are talking about Lesnar acting like a tool as opposed to Lesnar being a good fighter, that's not positive for him or the UFC.

I'll probably pay to see his next fight, depending on who it's against and what else is on the card, but if he wins another couple fights and Fedor or Barnett aren't involved soon I'll be turning off the HW division. As I said before, watching a guy clean up isn't entertaining when he's not fighting the best opponents out there.

[Inferno]

White on the Henderson/Bisping fight:

As for the final leaping right hand of the contest – delivered by Henderson after Bisping had already been clearly knocked unconscious – White said he did not feel there was any ill intentions on the 38-year-old's part, even after he said he threw the punch on purpose as a means of silencing the Brit's ever-present trash talk.

"[Henderson] said he was joking," White said. "I didn't think it was funny either, but Dan Henderson's a good guy."

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by Ozy_Flame

And winning by a mile.

You can think up of all the excuses to bash Lesnar and say that he's being hand-fed opponents, but it's so easy to do that because you have a hate-on for him and his antics.

And the guy is only getting better in the ring. This fight was light years ahead of his first fight against Mir.

Winning by a mile? Did you see the Couture fight?

Where did I say he's being hand fed opponents? The fact is that there is a lack of opponents in the division period. I don't hate the guy, in fact I watched some shows taking him back to his home in Minnesota where he lives isolated and he came off as a pretty decent guy. As well he's willing to put in the work to learn the craft unlike guys like Kimbo Slice. Unfortunately he can't control himself. Idolizing a guy like Lesnar emphasizes everything that is wrong with society today.

[valo403]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

Winning by a mile? Did you see the Couture fight?

Where did I say he's being hand fed opponents? The fact is that there is a lack of opponents in the division period. I don't hate the guy, in fact I watched some shows taking him back to his home in Minnesota where he lives isolated and he came off as a pretty decent guy. As well he's willing to put in the work to learn the craft unlike guys like Kimbo Slice. Unfortunately he can't control himself. Idolizing a guy like Lesnar emphasizes everything that is wrong with society today.

Kimbo seems to be putting in the work nowadays. He was training with Bas Rutten for a while and he's paying some dues through TUF. I'm not sure he'll get anywhere, but I actually like the way Kimbo has come back from the Petruzelli loss, he actually seems to want to be an MMA fighter, not just a brawler.

[ResAlien]

Meh, Kimbo is a ratings grab. Just saw him promoting the upcoming show. If he makes it past 3 weeks colour me surprised. The guy is an amazing striker, but there are far too many elements to fighting, I doubt he has the resolve to actually work on them.

[valo403]

Originally Posted by ResAlien

Meh, Kimbo is a ratings grab. Just saw him promoting the upcoming show. If he makes it past 3 weeks colour me surprised. The guy is an amazing striker, but there are far too many elements to fighting, I doubt he has the resolve to actually work on them.

It's hard to say, obviously he needs to do a lot to bring his game up to a UFC level but people said the same thing about Lesnar. If Kimbo is working hard at it he has the base to become a legit fighter. He's been training out of respected gyms, and the fact that he's been not only humbled by a loss but seen his paydays disappear has got to be a driving force.

[moon]

Originally Posted by ResAlien

Meh, Kimbo is a ratings grab. Just saw him promoting the upcoming show. If he makes it past 3 weeks colour me surprised. The guy is an amazing striker, but there are far too many elements to fighting, I doubt he has the resolve to actually work on them.

I don't even think he is an amazing striker. He had James Thompson put in front of him to knock out early on and he had to take the cheap caulilflower ear route out in the 3rd round because he couldn't do anything before that.

I agree though if he has to fight in the first 3 weeks I can't see him lasting longer than that.

I have concerns that White strings him along longer than that though to keep ratings up. I think that White has him here to get whopped though so we shouldn't see any EliteXC BS where he is pumped up to be way more than he is.

Slice can try to work on his skills as much as he wants but at this point at his age I can't see him being anything more than a joke in MMA and relying on his name more than his ability. Even after working with Bas he looked awful against Petruzelli.

[Claeren]

RE: GSP

It was crazy to me just how little punishment GSP took in that 5 round fight. Other than a few strikes on the ground in the 4th after he hurt his abductor he was basically untouched for the full 25min. Insane accomplishment in itself at this level of fighting.

I just don't see a Silva/GSP fight though, there is no way Silva should lose. I have read a lot of articles on it but it seems GSP without cutting weight is about 5'10 and 184lbs while Silva is 6'2 and 215lb? And if the natural amount of extra reach was not enough, Silva is particularily lanky on top of that. I don't see why GSP would risk his career for that fight?? Fedor is 6'0 and 230lb -- and who is pushing for a Silva/Fedor fight despite being far closer in size than Silva/GSP?

The one advantage to GSP is the 6-7 year age difference.

Whatever happens though, it has to happen soon. Anderson Silva says he intends to retire after ~4 more fights (late 2010/early 2011)? I guess it would be quite the finale though....



Claeren.

[Hanna Sniper]

I don't think Silva will beat Forrest Griffin. I'm not a Griffin fan but the guy does amaze me at rising his level when facing an opponent that should beat him. I think it's going to be one hell of a fight and if he hands Silva a loss then the GSP talk will be put on the back burner

[ResAlien]

No way Silva fights GSP. GSP would take that fight in a minute, he's got that attitude. Siva is the one who has the most to lose. Love both fighters, don't see it ever happening.

There is a better chance of Henderson - Silva. That I'd like to see.