Meth Clinic Run Out Of Town

[JustAnotherGuy]

Originally Posted by Superflyer

So lets also ban all AA meetings in residential area as well because there are a few people that go back to being alcoholics. Then they will get drunk and drive through these communities as well.

Does these AA meetings service 500 people?

[Dion]

Originally Posted by nik-

So after unsuccessful treatment they're going to come back to the neighbourhood they got treatment in to commit crimes?

That's ridiculous.

It's fearmongering at it's finest. These people will go back to the communities they come from.

Years ago a former co worker of mine was in a bad car accident. Due to the nature of his injuries he was on some powerful pain killers for quite awhile. Sadly it became an addiction and he needed help getting off them. Guess the Braeside residents would have been afraid of him too.

[Bagor]

What ever happened to the site of the Old Children's hospital?

Couldn't they use that?

[Superflyer]

Originally Posted by blankall

Two totally different situations. Most people don't go to and from AA meetings drunk. There is a much greater instance of crime among the drug addict population than among alcoholics. Not to mention alcoholics don't use needles or carry as many diseases. Also alcohol is legal. You don't require the criminals to acquire alcohol. The list goes on and on. Like I said, two totally different things.

And people going for meth treatments do not go there high. Also most meth patients are getting treatments for addictions to prescription drugs and are your average everyday person, not needle using, disease ridden crackheads. Prescription drugs are legal with a prescription, which most of them have because they have had an injury and need the pain meds to get through it, unfortunatlly they become addicted to the meds and need help to break the cycle.
See not so different.

[Superflyer]

Originally Posted by JustAnotherGuy

Does these AA meetings service 500 people?

umm no, but what does that have to do with it? It is not like they open the doors and 500 people come rushing in at once. Some come once a day but most come once a month.

[blankall]

Originally Posted by Superflyer

And people going for meth treatments do not go there high. Also most meth patients are getting treatments for addictions to prescription drugs and are your average everyday person, not needle using, disease ridden crackheads. Prescription drugs are legal with a prescription, which most of them have because they have had an injury and need the pain meds to get through it, unfortunatlly they become addicted to the meds and need help to break the cycle.
See not so different.

You're comparing the best addicts to the worst alcoholics.

[Dion]

Foster has been getting methadone treatment at the clinic for the last three years, after he developed an addiction to Oxycontin, which was prescribed to him to manage pain.

He said he is frustrated with residents who are afraid that the clinic's clientele would attract crime in the area.

"I'm a tax-paying citizen and I think the perception is that it's all criminals and good-for-nothing people, and it's not. It's a lot of hard-working, genuine people," said Foster

http://www.cbc.ca/canada/calgary/sto...g-fallout.html

[Dion]

Joan Toso, executive director of the Opioid Dependency Program at 4 Street SW said their clinic has had no problems since opening.

“It’s a scary sounding drug. You hear ‘addicts’ and you get scared,” said Toso. “A person properly stabilized on methadone you would never know they were on methadone.”

Methadone is used to treat an addiction to opioids, which include heroin, morphine, codeine, Percocet and OxyContin.

http://www.metronews.ca/calgary/loca...d-of-confusion

[Superflyer]

Originally Posted by blankall

You're comparing the best addicts to the worst alcoholics.

Maybe I am but you also have to remember in both instances these are people with a problem and they are going to the clinic or AA to get better. They are not forced to go, they are going voluntarily. In fact you hear more people being forced to attend AA meetings then meth treatments.
Either way they are both great and should both be available as much as they can to help people get better.

[blankall]

Originally Posted by Superflyer

Maybe I am but you also have to remember in both instances these are people with a problem and they are going to the clinic or AA to get better. They are not forced to go, they are going voluntarily. In fact you hear more people being forced to attend AA meetings then meth treatments.
Either way they are both great and should both be available as much as they can to help people get better.

That's fine, but there is no need to put the worse problem in the residential area close to schools. Coincidentally it happens to be a relatively low income area. Like I said before why not throw it in Pump Hill or Upper Mount Royal?

[Dion]

Originally Posted by blankall

Like I said before why not throw it in Pump Hill or Upper Mount Royal?

The clinic went where they thought the space was available. It could have easily been Pump Hill or Mount Royal.

[WesternCanadaKing]

Originally Posted by blankall

You're comparing the best addicts to the worst alcoholics.

They're all addicts, they're all addicted (physically or mentally) to a substance that has terrible effects on their body and their interactions with others.

Not all addicts are junkies on the street. They deserve just as much of an opportunity to receive help as everyone else.

[Superflyer]

Originally Posted by blankall

That's fine, but there is no need to put the worse problem in the residential area close to schools. Coincidentally it happens to be a relatively low income area. Like I said before why not throw it in Pump Hill or Upper Mount Royal?

I agree that the clinic could go into these neighborhoods just as much as they can go into Breaside or a light industrial area. I think that the biggest ball in this whole thing was dropped by the city itself. The clinic tried first to move into an industrial area but were shut down for zoning issues. Something that could have been resolved in a couple of days tops and there would never be a problem. So they tried a few more places and were chased out before they could setup because people were uneducated about what they do and who they are.
There are numerous posts on here of people that discovered they live or have lived close to a different clinic and have never known. They have not seen an increase in crime, they have not seen drug dealers, they do not see needles lying in playgrounds. It is just another place in their area, just like an office or 7-11.

[4X4]

Originally Posted by Dion

The clinic went where they thought the space was available. It could have easily been Pump Hill or Mount Royal.

That'll be the day.

[Dion]

Originally Posted by 4X4

That'll be the day.

Problem is we'll never know as the clinic is leaving Calgary for Red Deer.

Then again the mob mentality would have risen there too. Probably just as well they went to a community that would accept them.

[4X4]

Just making fun of the very notion of anything like a meth clinic popping up in Mount Royal. Would never happen.

[Dion]

Originally Posted by 4X4

Just making fun of the very notion of anything like a meth clinic popping up in Mount Royal. Would never happen.

Fair enough. I missed the humor in yur post and can understand now what you were posting about.

[getbak]

Originally Posted by blankall

Answer me this: There is no way anyone would have ever of dream of putting a clinic like this near a school in Pump Hill or Upper Mount Royal. Why does it belong in Braeside?

How near is "near"? It's a relatively short walk from where this clinic is to Pump Hill, and anyone taking a bus to the clinic would ride right past Pump Hill.

I grew up in Braeside and walked to John Ware Jr. High every day, which is right next to Pump Hill (we used to walk through Pump Hill during our lunch hours to check out the mansions).

In fact, I'd bet that more people in Braeside live closer to Pump Hill than they do to this clinic.

[Dion]

Some of the community members showed up at the clinic Thursday to apologize to the clinic staff, said one employee.

http://www.calgaryherald.com/Methado...499/story.html

Police say they've had no problems with crime near Calgary's clinics. "To my knowledge, there has been no noticeable difference --no increase, no decrease," says Det. Doug Hudacin of the Calgary Police Service's drug unit.

Ald. Diane Colley-Urquhart, a nurse, says there are misconceptions about many of the people who seek help at methadone clinics. "People think that those who go on methadone are bums, are homeless, are alcoholics, are drug addicts, are unemployed and all of those stereotypical attitudes," she says. "My experience is that it couldn't be further from the truth."

"It's funny--in smaller communities, we are accepted," says Leslie, who also runs methadone clinics in Red Deer and Medicine Hat. "In a small community, you can educate the community. How do you educate a city of a million people?"

http://www.calgaryherald.com/health/...487/story.html

[Tower]

These people need assistance. If they ask for help we as a community should help them. Positive actions lead to positive reaction.