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Dion · 07-09-2009, 02:02 PM

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Originally Posted by 4X4

I'm not being silly. I'm saying that when a controversial type of place opens in a neighbourhood unannounced, people have the right to demand answers. It was ridiculous the way this got handled. Obviously it doesn't justify threats, etc., but I can't believe how many people in this thread are simply disregarding the way it got handled by the people running it and are all over the community for being pissed off that they weren't informed, consulted, given a pamphlet on why meth clinics are ok in residential neighbourhoods, even though they're typically not placed there...

The halfway house for pedophiles was a silly argument. No amount of info is going to convince residents that a halfway house for pedophiles is safe for the neighbourhood.

I'm not disregarding how it was handled and admitted that mistakes were made by the clinic. Problem is everyone wants to focus on thier mistakes without recognising that they tried to rectify some of the mistakes by holding a meeting with the residents.

Flamesoholic · 07-09-2009, 02:03 PM

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Originally Posted by 4X4;1929524
Shame on city council is damn right. [B

Lethbridge? [/B]Great, just shove off the problem to another place instead of coming up with a solution here in Calgary where the problem is. Bravo, CoC.

That was the word last night but hopefully it will change. I just can't imagine a city like Calgary not caring for a portion of it's population like this. How does that old saying go?
"A civilization is judged by how it treats it's poor, sick and downtrodden", or something like that.
Way to go city council! Disgusting.

Byrns · 07-09-2009, 02:05 PM

Back in the day when I worked at Safeway we had lots of people coming into the Pharmacy to drink their "Tang" not one of them appeared to me anything other than normal non-addicted person. I'd have no problem with a methadone clinic opening in my area. Needle exchange? Not so much.

jammies · 07-09-2009, 02:06 PM

Hurrah for mob mentality!

It's short-sighted and foolish to think you can push all the unpleasantness out of your neighborhood and there will be no consequences. Dress it up as "concern for safety" if it makes you feel better, but "I pretend to care until it affects me personally" is much more fitting.

Rerun · 07-09-2009, 02:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Superflyer

Basically what it does is detox the body from craving what drug they are addicted to. Once the body stops is cravings they can stop the methadone treatments and move on. Sure they may have cravings sometime again in life but it is a huge improvement from before when they could not function without their addiction.
The drugs that they treat are ones that a person cannot stop on their own. So I guess from your question, it is substituting one drug for another, but the second one can be stopped at any time without cravings, which in turn lets the patient move on with their life.

I see. Thank you. I'm sure if the clinic had provided information like this and other info on how a meth clinic was run, a lot of problems would have been avoided.

Dion... not everyone has access to a computer where they can Google for information. It was the clinic's responsibility, as a good neighbor, to inform and they failed.

Canuck-Hater · 07-09-2009, 02:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Traditional_Ale

I agree that it is sad that most people are obsessively concerned with themselves and their precious delusions of reality, but at the same time if I was raising a family I wouldn't want chemical addicts near my home.

Recovering, recovered, or not even close...once an addict, always an addict. Some just learn how to be 'non-using' addicts. Especially with things like crack and meth.

One of those NIMBY statements. Wouldnt you want them to get help if they wanted it though? This once an addict always an addict belief isnt necessarily true either, Ive met people that have completely turned their lives around. It was alcohol and cocaine not meth, but still addiction can be overcome with the proper treatment.

Dion · 07-09-2009, 02:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Rerun

It was the clinic's responsibility, as a good neighbor, to inform and they failed.

They tried to inform them.

The community failed by threatening and intimidating the staff. I'm not surprised they didn't feel safe going to that meeting. Shame on the mob mentality!

CaptainCrunch · 07-09-2009, 02:13 PM

I don't think anyone's answered my question and I'm really curious about it. Why aren't these clinics set up at the hospitals where we know that the drugs are properly accounted for, there are proper facilities to treat these people and monitor them for the side affects of their addiction, and proper mental health support is on site. Plus they are easily accessible through public transport, and the issue of NIMBY isn't as relevant.

Byrns · 07-09-2009, 02:21 PM

Space?

CaptainCrunch · 07-09-2009, 02:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Byrns

Space?

I'm thinking that space would not be a concern if you look at the size of the actual clinics.

Rerun · 07-09-2009, 03:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Dion

They tried to inform them.

The community failed by threatening and intimidating the staff. I'm not surprised they didn't feel safe going to that meeting. Shame on the mob mentality!

They tried to inform too late in the day, so to speak. By then the horse was already out of the barn.

They should have been pro-active instead or re-active.

Rerun · 07-09-2009, 03:12 PM

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Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

I don't think anyone's answered my question and I'm really curious about it. Why aren't these clinics set up at the hospitals where we know that the drugs are properly accounted for, there are proper facilities to treat these people and monitor them for the side affects of their addiction, and proper mental health support is on site. Plus they are easily accessible through public transport, and the issue of NIMBY isn't as relevant.

My wife used to work at the Rockyview Hospital. You would be surprised at how little extra space there is. They have major administrative departments working in the basement. Trust me. Space is a real issue.

flamingreen · 07-09-2009, 03:14 PM

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Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

I don't think anyone's answered my question and I'm really curious about it. Why aren't these clinics set up at the hospitals where we know that the drugs are properly accounted for, there are proper facilities to treat these people and monitor them for the side affects of their addiction, and proper mental health support is on site. Plus they are easily accessible through public transport, and the issue of NIMBY isn't as relevant.

There is one, at the Sheldon Chumir Centre downtown.

Having been going there for the last year for physiotherapy you would never even know such a clinic existed.

Rerun · 07-09-2009, 03:17 PM

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Originally Posted by flamingreen

There is one, at the Sheldon Chumir Centre downtown.

Having been going there for the last year for physiotherapy you would never even know such a clinic existed.

Ya right!

Thats your story and you're sticking with it, eh?

JustAnotherGuy · 07-09-2009, 03:45 PM

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Originally Posted by urban1

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I think often times people say "Damn Nimbys" when its not theyre neighbourhood being considered. Its easy to blame the Nimbys in Braeside if your living in Tuscany. Why not put this thing near the new Crowfoot train station in the NW?

If it is on the commercial (north) side of Crowchild. Yes. If it is in the community of Scenic Acres. Absolutely not.

PS. I live in Scenic Acres.

Bigtime · 07-09-2009, 03:45 PM

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Originally Posted by flamingreen

There is one, at the Sheldon Chumir Centre downtown.

Having been going there for the last year for physiotherapy you would never even know such a clinic existed.

Well of course you won't notice anything, that is because the Beltline is full of homeless, druggies, bums, chavs, prostitutes and all sorts of other wackjobs...

Well at least that is what some of the people in Braeside seem to think.

ken0042 · 07-09-2009, 03:47 PM

I can see the clinic coming in slightly under the radar. The first time they tried to move and make everybody aware, somebody found a zoning by-law to shut them down. I would think that the second move they made; they would have stayed a little quieter about it.

Not saying that it was the best way to go about this, but I do understand the reasoning behind it.

flamingreen · 07-09-2009, 04:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Bigtime

Well of course you won't notice anything, that is because the Beltline is full of homeless, druggies, bums, chavs, prostitutes and all sorts of other wackjobs...

Well at least that is what some of the people in Braeside seem to think.

From my experience, the people that are coming and going from the clinic look like your average joe, not some tweeker you see hanging around the Crack Macs. So ironically enough, they probably go home to a suburb community like Braeside at the end of the day anyways.

shermanator · 07-09-2009, 04:19 PM

I think in today's society, people are too concerned with bringing their children up in a safe sheltered environment without any exposure to the dangers of society. Parents want to give their children nothing but the best upbringing possible, which means a much-needed methadone clinic will be shut down in any residential neighborhood in the city because of the slim risk that something bad could happen to their children.

I would accept the clinic in my neighborhood, but I live inner city, so I'm in a different situation. There is a homeless shelter two blocks from my house and I've yet to experience any negative reprecussions from it.

CaptainCrunch · 07-09-2009, 04:23 PM

I think that the clinic did a horrible job of communicating with the community, they didn't give the community a chance to debate this or accept this, so in my mind of course there's going to be a backlash against the clinic as it acted like it had something to hide, or didn't trust the community.

The city did an absolutely terrible job in handling this and keeping an eye on the developments as they came up.

The community acted shamefully.

The victims in this case were the recovering addicts, they were shafted by the city, mishandled by the clinic and the community wasn't educated on the addicts so they reacted poorly.

There's a lot more blame to be put out there then just blaming the community and calling them closed minded.