Pride parade funded - Conservatives in a tizzy - Ablonczy demoted

[peter12]

Originally Posted by fotze

I often wonder if the medical term fistula came about due to the practice of fisting....

One time I wrote a paper on literary theory, focusing on fabula vs sujet, but forsome odd reason on the title page I substituted fistula for fabula.

[Bring_Back_Shantz]

Originally Posted by Rerun

It is a big freak show... and thats why so many people go to watch it. Its kind of like a 21st Century circus parade.... without the animals.

See that's the point I was trying to make.
I'm sure there are a lot of regular groups that march in these things, and they're just there to say "hey being gay is nothing to be ashamed of", and good for them, they're right.

But what most people see is the freak show, which to me ruins the message of the normal folk marching.

As I said before, is the message that you're the same, or that your'e different? Becasue most people get the impression that it is the latter, which I'm sure is the exact opposite of what they are actually trying to get across.

[Bring_Back_Shantz]

Originally Posted by peter12

One time I wrote a paper on literary theory, focusing on fabula vs sujet, but forsome odd reason on the title page I substituted fistula for fabula.

Ha ha, you sad forsome.

[Superflyer]

Originally Posted by Bring_Back_Shantz

See and that's what I meant. I was sure that there were average Joe gay groups that marched in these things, but that's not how the parades are portrayed, and that's now what average joe staright guy like me sees or remembers.

I've never been to one of these parades, so I have to go by the limited coverage I see or hear about, which is where my question comes from.

If it is really an event where people are marching to show solidarity and to make the point that they are just like everyone else then great. If it's an excuse to go running around half naked while juggling rubber fists then it's not something I think the government should be supporting, as if it were any event other than a gay pride parade with people dressing and acting like some of the people in the parade (and really they are the ones that get the most, if not only coverage), those people would get arrested.

I guess the crux of my point is that for a large portion of the straight population, Gay Pride Parades come across more as a Sexual Deviant Parade (gay or straight, I think most folks would agree whips and chains is on the deviant side). I'm certain that that is not the intent of the parade organizers, nor is it the message the gay community as a whole wants to send out, but due to some rather in your face elements of the parade, that is how it comes off to a lot of people.

Is the point of the parade to show that you're the same as straight people, or to show that you're different? Because if you're point is the former, then you should maybe address the fact that the parade is coming of as the latter.

I think that I get what you are saying, it is the media that only shows the outlandish parts of the parade and that is what joe public sees and takes from it. A couple weeks ago I was watching the news and they were doing their token coverage of the pride parade in TO and all they showed were the people in leather and drag. There was one older man, 50 or so, that they showed for about a second. He was wearing a t shirt that said gay pride or something on it and then they cut away right away, almost as to say Oh crap we can't show the average looking person in this parade get back to the weird looking ones.

[alltherage]

Sweet, because, you know... I love personally paying for flamboyant gays to run half naked in the streets for attention and "tolerance".

I'd be more tolerant if they would just act normal. Being gay doesn't mean you HAVE to rub it in everyone's face with women's clothing and bondage outfits.

Our gov't should be ashamed of itself, and IMO owes tax payers an apology.

[troutman]

Originally Posted by alltherage

Sweet, because, you know... I love personally paying for flamboyant gays to run half naked in the streets for attention and "tolerance".

I'd be more tolerant if they would just act normal. Being gay doesn't mean you HAVE to rub it in everyone's face with women's clothing and bondage outfits.

Our gov't should be ashamed of itself, and IMO owes tax payers an apology.

How do you feel about Mardi Gras or Carnival parades? Just as flamboyant.

[peter12]

Originally Posted by troutman

How do you feel about Mardi Gras or Carnival parades? Just as flamboyant.

I actually do feel the same way.

[alltherage]

Originally Posted by troutman

How do you feel about Mardi Gras or Carnival parades? Just as flamboyant.

They aren't funded by me as far as I know, however I wouldn't participate in one of those either. It may not be AS obnoxious because I don't feel that by looking at topless women they are molesting my eyes, but with gay men... it's just gross. I'm not attracted to it, I don't support their agenda, I don't give a **** about gays one way or the other, except that they become something totally different when they "come out".

[Rerun]

Originally Posted by troutman

How do you feel about Mardi Gras or Carnival parades? Just as flamboyant.

Mardi Gras and Carnival parades are about the celebration of an event.

Gay Pride parades are about a celebration of themselves and all their quirks and differences.

[@theCBE]

Originally Posted by alltherage

Sweet, because, you know... I love personally paying for flamboyant gays to run half naked in the streets for attention and "tolerance".

I'd be more tolerant if they would just act normal. Being gay doesn't mean you HAVE to rub it in everyone's face with women's clothing and bondage outfits.

Our gov't should be ashamed of itself, and IMO owes tax payers an apology.

Yah screw them !! Why do they think just because they have an event they can dress all ridiculous.

Now excuse me while I adjust my ball hugging wranglers and my frilly plaid shirt. I need to go and get my dinner plate sized belt buckled shined and my crocodile leather boots polished before I go and pick up my leather vest so I fit in when I go to my corporate party tonight.

[alltherage]

Originally Posted by @thecbe

yah screw them !! Why do they think just because they have an event they can dress all ridiculous.

Now excuse me while i adjust my ball hugging wranglers and my frilly plaid shirt. I need to go and get my dinner plate sized belt buckled shined and my crocodile leather boots polished before i go and pick up my leather vest so i fit in when i go to my corporate party tonight.

EXACTLY!!!

I see your point, however, I don't think anyone feels that their personal sexuality is being compromised when a cowboy walks by, however when a gay guy walks by wearing a white bikini and feathers sticking out his ass, that's just disgusting IMO.

[Rerun]

Originally Posted by @theCBE

Yah screw them !! Why do they think just because they have an event they can dress all ridiculous.

Now excuse me while I adjust my ball hugging wranglers and my frilly plaid shirt. I need to go and get my dinner plate sized belt buckled shined and my crocodile leather boots polished before I go and pick up my leather vest so I fit in when I go to my corporate party tonight.

You're gay aren't you?...

[troutman]

Halloween parades in New York and San Francisco are hugely popular - big crowds come out to watch.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Yor...lloween_Parade

New York's Village Halloween Parade is an annual holidayparade and street pageant presented the night of every Halloween (October 31) in New York City’s Greenwich Village. Stretching more than a mile, this culturalevent draws two million spectators, fifty thousand costumed participants, dancers, artists and circus performers, dozens of floats bearing live bands and other musical and performing acts, and a world-wide television audience of one hundred million.

Although the parade is billed as family friendly, costumes depicting sexual organs, paraphernalia, and related themes are common. Walking penises, condoms, faux- bare-chested and bare-bottomed women, and flashers exposing prop privates do not faze the New York audience, and it is rare that anything is banned. (An independent, alternative parade exclusively for small children and their parents takes place in nearby Washington Square Park.) On one occasion, the NYPD prevented The Village Voice's float from entering the parade, on the grounds that its tires were flat, and its float was overloaded with people, some of them throwing things at other marchers. The float featured performer and DJ Lola Rock 'N' Rolla dressed as a vagina[1]. Jen Gapay, promotions director for the Voice, suggested a different reason for the crackdown: "I think it had something to do with the ." Lola Rock 'N' Rolla agreed: "If I was a big dick, this never would have happened." Lola finished the parade on foot.

[Bring_Back_Shantz]

Originally Posted by Superflyer

I think that I get what you are saying, it is the media that only shows the outlandish parts of the parade and that is what joe public sees and takes from it. A couple weeks ago I was watching the news and they were doing their token coverage of the pride parade in TO and all they showed were the people in leather and drag. There was one older man, 50 or so, that they showed for about a second. He was wearing a t shirt that said gay pride or something on it and then they cut away right away, almost as to say Oh crap we can't show the average looking person in this parade get back to the weird looking ones.

See I don't think it's just the media coverage that makes this impression.
I think a lot of people if they went to see these parades would be a lot more inclined to remember the creppy dudes in leather than the regular folks with their rainbow t-shirts.

I think in contrast you don't see lowriders, fried chicken and gangbangers in Black History Month parades. Why? Not becasue these elements of the community don't exist, but because they represent stereotypes that the community as a whole doesn't want to perpetuate as it takes away from their message of normalcy and equality. The message in that instance is properly, and effectively portrayed that aside from the colour of their skin there is no difference between them and me. On the other hand, there are elements of the gay pride parade that intentionally try to detract from what I assume to be the intended message of the parade, that asside from what those people find attractive, there is no difference between them and me.

[alltherage]

Originally Posted by troutman

Halloween parades in New York and San Francisco are hugely popular - big crwods come out to watch.

Half naked dudes making out in the street in women's clothing should never be acceptable.

Dressing as a vampire asking for candy when you're 9 is all good by me.

Originally Posted by Bring_Back_Shantz

See I don't think it's just the media coverage that makes this impression.
I think a lot of people if they went to see these parades would be a lot more inclined to remember the creppy dudes in leather than the regular folks with their rainbow t-shirts.

I think in contrast you don't see lowriders, fried chicken and gangbangers in Black History Month parades. Why? Not becasue these elements of the community don't exist, but because they represent stereotypes that the community as a whole doesn't want to perpetuate as it takes away from their message of normalcy and equality. The message in that instance is properly, and effectively portrayed that aside from the colour of their skin there is no difference between them and me. On the other hand, there are elements of the gay pride parade that intentionally try to detract from what I assume to be the intended message of the parade, that asside from what those people find attractive, there is no difference between them and me.

I know I thanked you already, but this is very well put.

[peter12]

Originally Posted by troutman

Halloween parades in New York and San Francisco are hugely popular - big crowds come out to watch.

I think there some subtle differences which should be made clear. First of all, I am not at all against public celebrations, parades etc... But they should just be seen as an opportunity to get out and have a good time.

Gay pride parades are certainly a celebration, but there is a very nasty taint of political activism surrounding them which declares ANY opposition to ANY part of the parade to be hateful and intolerant, which is simply not true.

[troutman]

Originally Posted by alltherage

Half naked dudes making out in the street in women's clothing should never be acceptable.

Dressing as a vampire asking for candy when you're 9 is all good by me.



I know I thanked you already, but this is very well put.

The Halloween Parades are actually very racy - see my expanded post above.

[Rerun]

This is acceptable on our streets?

[mykalberta]

Originally Posted by Rerun

When you first saw that, who here thought - must be a Canucks fan. I cannot be the only one.

[Titan]

I find this interesting. The tourism minister gave money to support an event that brings in tourist dollars. That is her job. Harper caved, yet again.

If you don't like gays, don't go to the parade. Just because some knuckle dragger in sask. is playing to the intolerant, homophobes in his riding does not mean she did something wrong. It was a chance for Harper to stand up and support diversity and inclusiveness and once again he failed this little test.

As to the image of the parade I agree with Peter and BBS that the image of the parade in the media is unfortunate. I have considered taking my kids to show them something outside their normal experience but from what I see the news, namely leather clad assless chaps with leather codpieces, etc. makes me not want to expose my kids to that. Not a comment on if it is right or wrong but I don't want my 8y/o to see that even if it means missing other parts of the parade.