Having recently listed items on Kijiji, I understand the OP's fustration. I listed items at very reasonable prices, but got many offers at 40%-60% off.
Next time I will be either increasing the price or putting a big note that it's a firm price
In future, I will be doing the same. Its been a learning experience.
To all those who think its perfectly acceptable to make low ball / cheap offers, did you do that when you bought your house (assuming you own one)?
What about when you went on a job interview?
I can see it all now. A house is advertised at $400,000 which is a fair market value given the condition and the size of the house as well as the area in which its located.
You tell the real estate agent to submit an offer for $180,000. Against his better judgement, he does. The seller probably tells the buyer to go f himself. I feel sorry for your agent. He has a tough job with you as a client.
I can see it all now. You go on a job interview. The job sounds great. You're qualified to do the job. The interviewer asks what kind of salary you are looking for. You say $100,000 per year when you know, that if you got the job, you would be quite happy to start at $40,000 per year (the going rate for the position). The interviewer says thank you and goodbye.
Those are two completely incompatible examples.
Anyone who offers the asked for pricing on a house is foolish there is always flex, especially in a bad real estate market. On a large purchase like that tho its unlikely that your going to get that low. But for selling cars and personal items on line its an entirely different market and entirely different personalities.
On the job market I would hope that you research the role that your applying to and your own personal net worth to that job before you go into an interview and don't just spitball it.
I'm entirely successful in asking for a lot more money in an interview because I know what I bring to the role I know what the role pays on average in the market and I can justify it. If your not confident in your role and your not willing to negotiate for your salary and build your business model I'm probably not interested in hiring you.
And again entirely different from selling stuff on line.
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Rerun, I do understand your frustration with people who try and take advantage and who are constantly trying to get something for nothing. Unfortunately, there are way too many people who feel they are entitled, and the way our safety net is set up in Canada, we practically encourage this idea. While most people are good people, I think our system invites the type of people both within Canada and from abroad into Canada, who won't hesitate to abuse the system or take advantage of any situation.
Why that almost sounds racist to me (j/k)
You really shouldn't talk about such stuff. Its not politically correct... or kosher as one of my friends would say. Stuff like this is better left unsaid so we don't offend anyone.
To all those who think its perfectly acceptable to make low ball / cheap offers, did you do that when you bought your house (assuming you own one)?
What about when you went on a job interview?
I can see it all now. A house is advertised at $400,000 which is a fair market value given the condition and the size of the house as well as the area in which its located.
You tell the real estate agent to submit an offer for $180,000. Against his better judgement, he does. The seller probably tells the buyer to go f himself. I feel sorry for your agent. He has a tough job with you as a client.
I can see it all now. You go on a job interview. The job sounds great. You're qualified to do the job. The interviewer asks what kind of salary you are looking for. You say $100,000 per year when you know, that if you got the job, you would be quite happy to start at $40,000 per year (the going rate for the position). The interviewer says thank you and goodbye.
If I was purchasing a house by sending a largely anonymous email to a random person over the internet I think that would be a perfectly acceptable proposal. As said before, if you don't want to deal with amateurs stop selling as an amateur.
As for the job, if I thought the employer might be desperate to fill the position immediately and didn't have any other options maybe I'd throw out a big salary demand, especially if I knew I had tons of other options. Of course that's pretty much never going to happen with a job, but it's not at all uncommon when someone is selling a vehicle themselves through the internet.
Rerun, I do understand your frustration with people who try and take advantage and who are constantly trying to get something for nothing. Unfortunately, there are way too many people who feel they are entitled, and the way our safety net is set up in Canada, we practically encourage this idea. While most people are good people, I think our system invites the type of people both within Canada and from abroad into Canada, who won't hesitate to abuse the system or take advantage of any situation.
What system? Free will? This is a private purchase and sale agreement, there's no system providing a safety net, if the numbers don't work for both sides the deal doesn't get done.
We have listed our Condo on welist .... some of the LowBall offers there are rediculous.
Listed at 285 ... offered 200
How long has it been listed? Because if you haven't sold it for a while, that should be telling you that's it's you that's out of synch with what your condo is actually worth.
I'm not saying you're one of the them, but when I was considering buying, I found some sellers who were clearly just fishing for suckers with their asking prices. And no, what similar condos are listed at doesn't really matter, nor does your assessed value, nor does what you paid for it. A good approximator of market price is the last selling price of a comparable unit (this is what stock markets report) ... but if you're listing yourself, how do you know what that is?
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Thats a favorite of mine as well. A buddy of mine is a car salesman and he gets that all the time. WTF does he care how they pay, the dealership would rather you not pay cash all up front they make more money in the long term and a big company can handle not getting payment instantly.
Please explain? I was under the impression that money now is worth more than money later, and if you're not going credit your saving the dealer the processing fees. They want you to finance? Most car companies I know use financing below market as an incentive, with an alternate incentive for cash.
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What bugs me are the cheapo convience store places that take interac, but then charge you a 50-75c fee for using the service to supposedly cover the cost (as they can't raise prices on pop or chips and have the various distributors come down on them) but probably take some profit from there too.
Keep in mind that whilst credit card charges are a percentage, Interac fees are on a per transaction basis.
[quote=monkeyman;1928037]Rerun, I do understand your frustration with people who try and take advantage and who are constantly trying to get something for nothing. Unfortunately, there are way too many people who feel they are entitled, and the way our safety net is set up in Canada, we practically encourage this idea. While most people are good people, I think our system invites the type of people both within Canada and from abroad into Canada, who won't hesitate to abuse the system or take advantage of any situation.[/quote]
With all due respect, what the heck are you talking about? What safety net? Are you describing our social safety net? So are you saying that I can offer 40% of asking price because if I don't get it, I'll just go on welfare?
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To all those who think its perfectly acceptable to make low ball / cheap offers, did you do that when you bought your house (assuming you own one)?
What about when you went on a job interview?
I can see it all now. A house is advertised at $400,000 which is a fair market value given the condition and the size of the house as well as the area in which its located.
You tell the real estate agent to submit an offer for $180,000. Against his better judgement, he does. The seller probably tells the buyer to go f himself. I feel sorry for your agent. He has a tough job with you as a client.
I can see it all now. You go on a job interview. The job sounds great. You're qualified to do the job. The interviewer asks what kind of salary you are looking for. You say $100,000 per year when you know, that if you got the job, you would be quite happy to start at $40,000 per year (the going rate for the position). The interviewer says thank you and goodbye.
Actually...
The house one, my friend just bought a house something where the listing price was something like $250k and he offered $150k and they settled on $180k.
A girl I dated was in negotiations for salary, she wanted $380k so she was asking for 420 and they were offering 340. I think she lost that one and settled on 355 or something like that. And that was in a recession.
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The house one, my friend just bought a house something where the listing price was something like $250k and he offered $150k and they settled on $180k.
A girl I dated was in negotiations for salary, she wanted $380k so she was asking for 420 and they were offering 340. I think she lost that one and settled on 355 or something like that. And that was in a recession.
Can I have her phone number????
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For $380k, or at least the opportunity to date someone with such funds to spend on me, yes.
Haha, I was just referring to a joke from a few weeks/threads ago.. I paid for the first date, comedy club and drinks which came out to $60 or something like that, she paid for the second which was $40, then the 3rd which involved a limo... then I thought "holy fark... how am I gonna make this up? Take her to Venice or something?"
FTR I'm a poor unemployed schmuck, and when I do start working, its nowhere near what she is making.
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Haha, I was just referring to a joke from a few weeks/threads ago.. I paid for the first date, comedy club and drinks which came out to $60 or something like that, she paid for the second which was $40, then the 3rd which involved a limo... then I thought "holy fark... how am I gonna make this up? Take her to Venice or something?"
FTR I'm a poor unemployed schmuck, and when I do start working, its nowhere near what she is making.
Lol, I had the same thing happen to me. First date was normal, 2nd date involved $200 bottles of wine like it was nothing. I was a temp making about $8 an hour and living in my parents basement. Needless to say, our world views were a little different.
Bottom line is that there's no harm in asking for a low price or asking for a cash discount, if you don't ask you'll never get one.
Bartering is the oldest economic system on the planet, and I deal with it every day. I don't take it personally or insult the person for asking, its business and I would respect a person less for accepting a sticker price on a used item.
I don't get how people get their titties in a twist about somebody making a lower offer on their stuff.
If you don't want to accept offers for lower dollars on your stuff then attache the word firm to your pricing statement.
Bartering or dicking over price has nothing to do with cultures or races, it has to do with smart business, and at least asking the question. If you don't like it, don't sell your stuff on online forums.
Just my 2 cents discounted from 4 cents.
Well said, I agree 100% with this statement.
I guess what I don't understand is, why is it insulting? If you don't like it, e-mail back a slightly lower price see if you can make them move up to a price you like, that's called negotiating.
I learned my lesson, my gf and I almost purchased a town house about a year and a half ago (so glad we didn't). We put in an offer, I wanted to offer a lower value, but the realtor got very defensive about putting a low offer saying it might insult the seller. We ended up negotiating a price quite a bit lower than listed, but then I started thinking it was too easy, and I should have submitted a much lower price and maybe I could of got what I wanted. We backed out by the way.
Next time I got to buy a property, I will likely be submitting an offer that is quite a bit lower than listed. If they get insulted and don't want to negotiate, fine, I will find a different house to buy.
Very silly to get offended by what someone offers for an object like a car. If it's too low, laugh it off, and send a higher price.
Bottom line is that there's no harm in asking for a low price or asking for a cash discount, if you don't ask you'll never get one.
Bartering is the oldest economic system on the planet, and I deal with it every day. I don't take it personally or insult the person for asking, its business and I would respect a person less for accepting a sticker price on a used item.
I don't get how people get their titties in a twist about somebody making a lower offer on their stuff.
If you don't want to accept offers for lower dollars on your stuff then attache the word firm to your pricing statement.
Bartering or dicking over price has nothing to do with cultures or races, it has to do with smart business, and at least asking the question. If you don't like it, don't sell your stuff on online forums.
Just my 2 cents discounted from 4 cents.
I'm out of Thank You's for today, so thank you.
So, in conclusion, the 10 seconds it took you to read the e-mail left you frustrated and you felt as though you has wasted away 10 seconds of your life.
Whereas, you spend maybe 30 seconds writing this post bitching about said e-mail. Maybe re-read it in 10 seconds then spent an entire day whining and bitching, and THAT isn't considered a waste of time?
I just have to add, in the same theme, I'm looking for an RV and have seen a number of great deals on autotrader.ca. Everyone of them happens to live out of town, needs to deal with a broker, and -get this- their wife has been promoted and is moving so they must sell quick. I'm just a girl looking for a RV for my family at a good price, thinking that these low priced RV's are maybe beat up, or people didn't price them well, and realizing it's a scam, that's a waste of my time.
No there are lots of scams on there for RV's, and if it looks to good to be true, it probably is.
Similar have popped up on the autotrader the last few months. My brother is looking for a vehicle, found one that is priced ridiculously low, and long story short, when contacting the person (who's only contact is an email address they ask you to reply to) almost an automated response comes back, not specifically answering the questions posed, rather just stating (the owner is supposedly in the military) the car is a US car, currently in the UK, and is coming back to Canada "soon".
Clearly some variation of the Nigerian scams, where you wire money over there for the purchase, with the rest payable when it arrives. Then, an email pops up to have to wire more for it to clear customs for $600. Then shipping costs more and has to be paid up front, so add $1100. Then modifications have to be done, so wire another $1400.
YES. Especially if they do not have it clearly advertised that they do so, but even then you've gone through the store and got your stuff (or pumped gas).
If it's clearly labeled I usually pay and then don't come back to the store. If it's not labeled, when it comes up on the interac machine, I cancel the transaction and pull out my Amex, which costs them even more.
Those places certianly don't have Amex. For a few years when I had one, that bugged me too, again, because of the utter cheapness of the business owner....but tagging Interac purchases take that to a whole other level, especially for a "convienence" store.
And its not old school stores, this last one was a new franchised convience store that opened 3 months ago in the Plus 15 downtown.
Another place has taken it to another level, where you couldn't buy bus tickets without buying something else in the store...cash or debit.
I respect "cash only places", even in this day and age of convienent payment options, then those who try and nickel and dime you for doing a widely accepted transaction...and I do the same, cancel the sale and find a place across the way who won't penalize me for paying the way I wish to.
