Divorced from Reality

[Tower]

http://www.touchstonemag.com/archive...id=22-01-019-f

I'm not a religious man per say but I thought other eyes should see this even if it's a Christian website.

"The decline of the family has now reached critical and truly dangerous proportions. Family breakdown touches virtually every family and every American. It is not only the major source of social instability in the Western world today but also seriously threatens civic freedom and constitutional government.

G. K. Chesterton once observed that the family serves as the principal check on government power, and he suggested that someday the family and the state would confront one another. That day has arrived.

Chesterton was writing about divorce, and despite extensive public attention to almost every other threat to the family, divorce remains the most direct and serious. Michael McManus of Marriage Savers writes that “divorce is a far more grievous blow to marriage than today’s challenge by gays.”

Most Americans would be deeply shocked if they knew what goes on today under the name of divorce. Indeed, many are devastated to discover that they can be forced into divorce by procedures entirely beyond their control. Divorce licenses unprecedented government intrusion into family life, including the power to sunder families, seize children, loot family wealth, and incarcerate parents without trial. Comprised of family courts and vast, federally funded social services bureaucracies that wield what amount to police powers, the divorce machinery has become the most predatory and repressive sector of government ever created in the United States and is today’s greatest threat to constitutional freedom."

[wooohooo]

Where the heck do you find all of this stuff?

[Tower]

Originally Posted by wooohooo

Where the heck do you find all of this stuff?

.... I just read. My favorite so far is the hidden hand post a few weeks ago...

[troutman]

Many people can save their marriages through counselling. Many other people should not be married. They can divorce amicably, and with dignity, with minimal impact on the children.

[valo403]

Originally Posted by Tower

http://www.touchstonemag.com/archive...id=22-01-019-f

I'm not a religious man per say but I thought other eyes should see this even if it's a Christian website.

"The decline of the family has now reached critical and truly dangerous proportions. Family breakdown touches virtually every family and every American. It is not only the major source of social instability in the Western world today but also seriously threatens civic freedom and constitutional government.

G. K. Chesterton once observed that the family serves as the principal check on government power, and he suggested that someday the family and the state would confront one another. That day has arrived.

Chesterton was writing about divorce, and despite extensive public attention to almost every other threat to the family, divorce remains the most direct and serious. Michael McManus of Marriage Savers writes that “divorce is a far more grievous blow to marriage than today’s challenge by gays.”

Most Americans would be deeply shocked if they knew what goes on today under the name of divorce. Indeed, many are devastated to discover that they can be forced into divorce by procedures entirely beyond their control. Divorce licenses unprecedented government intrusion into family life, including the power to sunder families, seize children, loot family wealth, and incarcerate parents without trial. Comprised of family courts and vast, federally funded social services bureaucracies that wield what amount to police powers, the divorce machinery has become the most predatory and repressive sector of government ever created in the United States and is today’s greatest threat to constitutional freedom."

Without even getting into the rest of this, the fact that this guy thinks a divorce can result in incarceration without trial pretty much confirms that he's more focused on scare tactics than anything else.

[photon]

divorce is a far more grievous blow to marriage than today’s challenge by gays.

Charming. In one sentence the agenda is obvious and the source credibility becomes zero.

Today it is not possible to form a binding agreement to create a family. The government can now, at the request of one spouse, simply dissolve a marriage over the objection of the other.

Because slavery is the better choice.

The funny thing is that they whine and whine about "the breakdown of the family unit" and criticize everyone else for how evil it is, but the divorce rate among them is the same (if not worse) as everyone else! Big talk but actions speak louder than words. It's like telling your kids not to smoke while blowing a smoke ring in their face.

[mikey_the_redneck]

Originally Posted by troutman

Many people can save their marriages through counselling. Many other people should not be married. They can divorce amicably, and with dignity, with minimal impact on the children.

Marriage councilling is a joke. It has not even put a dent into the 50+% divorce rate.
........and I dont think divorce has "minimal" impact on kids no matter how you slice it.

[longsuffering]

Originally Posted by Tower

http://www.touchstonemag.com/archive...id=22-01-019-f

"The decline of the family has now reached critical and truly dangerous proportions. Family breakdown touches virtually every family and every American. It is not only the major source of social instability in the Western world today but also seriously threatens civic freedom and constitutional government.

G. K. Chesterton once observed that the family serves as the principal check on government power, and he suggested that someday the family and the state would confront one another. That day has arrived.

(snip)

Indeed, many are devastated to discover that they can be forced into divorce by procedures entirely beyond their control. Divorce licenses unprecedented government intrusion into family life, including the power to sunder families, seize children, loot family wealth, and incarcerate parents without trial. Comprised of family courts and vast, federally funded social services bureaucracies that wield what amount to police powers, the divorce machinery has become the most predatory and repressive sector of government ever created in the United States and is today’s greatest threat to constitutional freedom."

Hear, hear.

No one should be allowed to divorce unless both Parties and the Catholic Church agree.

So what if someone is trapped in a loveless marriage, or an abusive situation? Marriage is a sacred contract!



(Forgot to add)

And divorce is a government conspiracy!

[valo403]

[troutman]

Originally Posted by mikey_the_redneck

Marriage councilling is a joke. It has not even put a dent into the 50+% divorce rate.
........and I dont think divorce has "minimal" impact on kids no matter how you slice it.

Some research that I have seen indicates certain kinds of marriage counselling are effective up to 50% of the time. The earlier couples seek counselling, the more likely it will be successful.

You can minimize the impact of divorce on children by doing things amicably, and ensuring both parents have maximum contact with the children. Research is showing that children from this kind of atmosphere are as happy and successful as children of married parents. The problem is, too many couples do not divorce amicably, and the consequences for the children can be brutal. I'm not debating that at all. In Alberta, parents must take the Parenting After Separation Course to learn about the impact of divorce and children.

[JustAnotherGuy]

Instead of focusing on the end of a marriage we need to focus on the beginning of a marriage. Get married to the person you are in love with and truly want to spend the rest of your life with. Any other reason is just wrong. Should we go down the list of wrong reasons to get married?

[Tower]

Originally Posted by mikey_the_redneck

Marriage councilling is a joke. It has not even put a dent into the 50+% divorce rate.
........and I dont think divorce has "minimal" impact on kids no matter how you slice it.

Lawyers feed the divorce meter.

[troutman]

Originally Posted by Tower

Lawyers feed the divorce meter.

You don't need a lawyer to get divorced.

Most family law lawyers now practice collaborative family law. Litigation is a last resort.

[photon]

Originally Posted by troutman

You don't need a lawyer to get divorced.

Most family law lawyers now practice collaborative family law. Litigation is a last resort.

Take your reality elsewhere sir.

[Traditional_Ale]

Originally Posted by troutman

Some research that I have seen indicates certain kinds of marriage counselling are effective up to 50% of the time. The earlier couples seek counselling, the more likely it will be successful.

You can minimize the impact of divorce on children by doing things amicably, and ensuring both parents have maximum contact with the children. Research is showing that children from this kind of atmosphere are as happy and successful as children of married parents. The problem is, too many couples do not divorce amicably, and the consequences for the children can be brutal. I'm not debating that at all. In Alberta, parents must take the Parenting After Separation Course to learn about the impact of divorce and children.

I can't believe how often the people in bitter divorces have the depth and maturity of a Jr. High School child. They're simply teenagers in adult bodies.

[Tower]

Originally Posted by photon

Charming. In one sentence the agenda is obvious and the source credibility becomes zero.

Because slavery is the better choice.

The funny thing is that they whine and whine about "the breakdown of the family unit" and criticize everyone else for how evil it is, but the divorce rate among them is the same (if not worse) as everyone else! Big talk but actions speak louder than words. It's like telling your kids not to smoke while blowing a smoke ring in their face.

"This startling fact has been ignored by politicians, journalists, academics, and even family advocates. “Opposing gay marriage or gays in the military is for Republicans an easy, juicy, risk-free issue,” wrote Gallagher."

“All homosexuals are saying . . . is that, under the current definition, there’s no reason to exclude us."

But thanks for chiming in on your wonderful posts that take away from the original topic. What you seem to like to do is pick a point you don't agree with (even if you didn't read the article) and try to discredit it. Way to go.

[Tower]

Originally Posted by Traditional_Ale

I can't believe how often the people in bitter divorces have the depth and maturity of a Jr. High School child. They're simply teenagers in adult bodies.

I've been through the process. Part of the problem is the stages of feelings a human goes through. It's kin to death in the family. Your spouse is now dead and you go through the 5 steps. While the man/woman goes through this they also go through the ridiculous family law act that perpetuates anger and hopelessness.

Yes they act like children. In the eye's of the Law society they ARE children/dependents.

The whole issue is sick.

[peter12]

It's true though, the institution of marriage is pretty dire straits right now. That said, some of the only vocal crusaders of monogamous committed relationships are homosexual men, which begs the question, why are proponents of marriage opposed to same sex marriage?

[The Goon]

Originally Posted by troutman

In Alberta, parents must take the Parenting After Separation Course to learn about the impact of divorce and children.

Is this mandatory? I know of a couple divorcing and I don't think they're aware of this.

[photon]

Originally Posted by Tower

But thanks for chiming in on your wonderful posts that take away from the original topic. What you seem to like to do is pick a point you don't agree with (even if you didn't read the article) and try to discredit it. Way to go.

I did read the article, as expected it didn't get any better than that first quote. I didn't have to discredit anything, the source discredited itself.

EDIT: You don't seem to understand that if a premise is flawed, then what follows is also flawed.