06-25-2009, 10:46 AM
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GOAT!
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No kidding.
Edit: Who's D'Antoni coaching again? I bet they'd be fun to watch. I wonder if Nash would want to go there...
Edit: Oh yeah, the Knicks. Never mind.
Last edited by FanIn80; 06-25-2009 at 10:50 AM.
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06-25-2009, 10:54 AM
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Originally Posted by FanIn80
Stupid Spurs. Not only do they play a boring style themselves, but they pretty much made sure it'll be a long time before we see a true run-and-gun offence again.
(unless I'm mistaken and there's already a mid-2000s Suns clone)
If Nash comes north to TO, I might have to start cheering for my first ever Toronto-based team.
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It's likely a pipe dream but it is a possibility. He and Triano are good buddies. He has publicly stated he would like to finish off his career in Canada. They can offer him the MLE. They could play Calderon at the two and let Nash run with Marion and then dish it out. Would work great on offense for a year but their defense would suck beyond belief.
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06-25-2009, 11:27 AM
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by fleury
I haven't checked out the cap implications, but isn't this simply a no-lose deal for the Cavs? Pavlovic is our AP, Wallace isn't the Chicago Wallace and the 46th is just another garbage pick. Unless Shaq is signed contractually for 3 years or something, it's not a bad deal at all on Cleveland's end.
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That's exactly how I look at this deal for the Cavs.
Sure they take on a one year deal of $21M for Shaq but they get rid of Wallace at $14M, Pavlovic at $5M(?) and a 46th pick is nothing in the NBA. So they add only an extra ~$2M in salary to get Shaq. All contracts are set to expire at the end of this season as well.
Rumor has Ben Wallace retiring and actually leaving the $14M on the table but I don't know how true that is. If they do the Suns gain a bit back in this trade.
Now the question is can Shaq stay healthy without the Suns trainers or does he somehow bring them with him?
I can tell you one thing Shaq and LeBron will have lots of fun this year.
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Originally Posted by henriksedin33
Not at all, as I've said, I would rather start with LA over any of the other WC playoff teams. Bunch of underachievers who look good on paper but don't even deserve to be in the playoffs.
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Last edited by HOOT; 06-25-2009 at 11:29 AM.
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06-25-2009, 12:05 PM
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First Line Centre
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It sure seems like it's no lose until Shaq gets injured.
Shaq does not solve any of their problems. They were burned by the pick and roll, which Shaq cannot guard. If they had made it to the finals, the lakers would've picked them apart with the high post scoring from Gasol, which Shaq cannot guard either.
Seeing as the lakers shut Howard down in the finals with a variety of length, double teams, and flopping, Shaq would struggle with all three, especially the last one.
Also, we consider that Boston gets KG back next year, who is another high post player who would torch both Varejao and Shaq.
Shaq would only add to their strength - which is to dominate lesser teams. If Shaq is healthy, they should beat 26 other teams in the NBA by 20 points a game. But it does not address any of their weaknesses against the NBA's elite.
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06-25-2009, 01:37 PM
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Originally Posted by Regorium
Seeing as the lakers shut Howard down in the finals with a variety of length, double teams, and flopping, Shaq would struggle with all three, especially the last one.
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You are missing one important thing with this. Howard had who to dish the ball too when getting double teamed? I would think dishing the ball to LeBron is a better option than anything Howard had.
I honestly don't think this move will make them that much better but at least they are trying. I am not too sure what you would expect Cleveland to do. Stay with the same team? Go after which free agent? Try and trade for who?
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Originally Posted by henriksedin33
Not at all, as I've said, I would rather start with LA over any of the other WC playoff teams. Bunch of underachievers who look good on paper but don't even deserve to be in the playoffs.
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06-25-2009, 03:04 PM
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If Shaq sucks you don't play him. They didn't give up any assets and he's a FA after this season. Hench, It's a no loose situation
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06-25-2009, 03:06 PM
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Everyone's Favorite Oilfan!
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Vince Carter traded to the Magic:
http://www.tsn.ca/nba/story/?id=282860
Lee, Alston, Battie going the other way.
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06-25-2009, 03:18 PM
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Lifetime Suspension
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Originally Posted by OILFAN #81
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Yep the Magic respond by grabbing an oldie of their own. Meanwhile Wallace traded again to the Hornets. Chandler to the Suns.
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06-25-2009, 03:20 PM
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Powerplay Quarterback
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Originally Posted by OILFAN #81
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Gah. I'm not even a Raptors fan.. but VC bugs me so much. Ironic that we could see cousins dealt on the same day as their are a ton of rumors involving McGrady being dealt out of Houston.
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06-25-2009, 03:37 PM
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GOAT!
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Originally Posted by JohnnyFlame
Yep the Magic respond by grabbing an oldie of their own. Meanwhile Wallace traded again to the Hornets. Chandler to the Suns.
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Oh hey...
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06-25-2009, 03:39 PM
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Lifetime Suspension
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Originally Posted by FanIn80
Oh hey...
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Plus latest rumor has Amare going to GS for Biedrins and the #7. You could have a whole new team by later tonight.
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06-25-2009, 03:50 PM
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I'm going to change the thread title so the discussions can continue with the different trades.
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Originally Posted by henriksedin33
Not at all, as I've said, I would rather start with LA over any of the other WC playoff teams. Bunch of underachievers who look good on paper but don't even deserve to be in the playoffs.
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06-25-2009, 04:58 PM
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First Line Centre
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Originally Posted by HOOT
You are missing one important thing with this. Howard had who to dish the ball too when getting double teamed? I would think dishing the ball to LeBron is a better option than anything Howard had.
I honestly don't think this move will make them that much better but at least they are trying. I am not too sure what you would expect Cleveland to do. Stay with the same team? Go after which free agent? Try and trade for who?
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Howard had everyone to dish to. That's the whole point of the Orlando offence. Dishing the ball to Lebron is fine, kind of the same deal.
I'll back off slightly and say that this is an upgrade for the Cavs, provided Shaq can stay healthy. To be honest, the Cavs don't have a lot of choices, with bad contracts like Szerbiack, Ilgauskas, etc. They need some time to develop shooters like Gibson, and hopefully land a PF like Boozer, who is a quick low post scorer/defender. Had they started this long term plan several years ago instead of continually handing out bad contracts to over-the-hill players, I'd say their team would be in a much better shape.
I hate the VC trade for the magic. They gave away their most promising prospect (Lee) for Vince. Their problem was that they didn't have anybody to create their own shot like kobe or Lebron could. I'm not convinced VC can do that anymore. I also think that this could mean Turkoglu isn't coming back, which is kind of sad as well.
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06-25-2009, 11:12 PM
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Lifetime In Suspension
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I'm no basketball aficionado, but I don't see that trade being great for the Magic. Alston gave them a better chance to win, but as soon as Nelson? was healthy they just sat Alston in the finals. Bad move imo. I'm biased vs Vince Carter since his BS quitting on the Raptors, but he's not a "winner". Another year of Howard progressing with some actual post moves and they had a good chance. Carter doesn't seem to be the answer to me.
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06-26-2009, 08:02 AM
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Originally Posted by ResAlien
I'm no basketball aficionado, but I don't see that trade being great for the Magic. Alston gave them a better chance to win, but as soon as Nelson? was healthy they just sat Alston in the finals. Bad move imo. I'm biased vs Vince Carter since his BS quitting on the Raptors, but he's not a "winner". Another year of Howard progressing with some actual post moves and they had a good chance. Carter doesn't seem to be the answer to me.
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Nelson is a far better player than Alston. There is a good reason Alston is always on the move--he is a problem child. Vince is a far better scorer than Hedo. Still virtually unstoppable. That hasn't changed ever in his career. The knock on Vince remains that he just does not give a hoot and that was plain last year as in every year he has laced them up. He will score points for them no doubt whatsoever. But when it comes down to it and they need him to up his game will he?
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06-30-2009, 06:09 AM
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I'm willing to bet he'll be back after a season. Sounds serious, but sports injuries should be taken with a grain of salt. Don't underestimate the pro athlete miraculous recovery factor.
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06-30-2009, 07:55 PM
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Retired
Join Date: May 2004
Location: Pacific Ocean
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No opt out for Kobe, likely to sign a 3 year extension
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07-02-2009, 08:56 PM
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Ariza to the Cavs I bet!
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Originally Posted by henriksedin33
Not at all, as I've said, I would rather start with LA over any of the other WC playoff teams. Bunch of underachievers who look good on paper but don't even deserve to be in the playoffs.
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