Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen Review

[kevman]

Originally Posted by Igottago

Why? Noises not loud enough and explosions not spectacular enough?

I'm just trying to figure out what the benchmark of enjoyability becomes if characters and plot can be disregarded from the beginning.

Have you seen the movie? What's so wrong with the plot or characters? I don't get it??? Bad guys try and destroy earth, good guys stop them. It's a classic story, what the hell is wrong with that?

[CMPunk]

Originally Posted by Igottago

Why? Noises not loud enough and explosions not spectacular enough?

I'm just trying to figure out what the benchmark of enjoyability becomes if characters and plot can be disregarded from the beginning.

Maybe it was too "smart" for me...it just made no sense.

95% of movies i goto i know what I'm getting into. Mindless comedies and action flicks, Pixar movies...I have enough stress and other things going on in my life that I don't need to have to think through my entertainment. What I'm looking for is for my movies, music, books and TV to take me away for the length of the time I'm enjoying them.

If that makes me dumber then you or too low brow to be a useful human, well too bad, because I'm in the majority, and the reason there are movies made like this is because people enjoy them for what they are.

Now excuse me, I have to finish my BLL and then hop into my car and blast some Nickleback on the way to see Transformers

[Ethaniel]

Originally Posted by burnin_vernon

I just got back from it. I was bored to death and conked out a couple times. I'll put it on the heap of summer movies to be forgotten. I sensed I was in trouble when Bumblebee cried 15 minutes into it.

So you fell asleep in the parts where the story was developed because there was no loud noises?

[Igottago]

Originally Posted by CMPunk

Maybe it was too "smart" for me...it just made no sense.

95% of movies i goto i know what I'm getting into. Mindless comedies and action flicks, Pixar movies...I have enough stress and other things going on in my life that I don't need to have to think through my entertainment. What I'm looking for is for my movies, music, books and TV to take me away for the length of the time I'm enjoying them.

If that makes me dumber then you or too low brow to be a useful human, well too bad, because I'm in the majority, and the reason there are movies made like this is because people enjoy them for what they are.

Now excuse me, I have to finish my BLL and then hop into my car and blast some Nickleback on the way to see Transformers

Well my point wasn't to try to make you look dumb and get all defensive. All I'm trying to suggest is, that at some level, story does matter. Even if you don't expect a movie to have an oscar calibur script or acting, you can't totally dismiss it either. Even "mindless" fun movies (which yes, I do enjoy as well) need to have something more than explosions and action to make them worthy of watching. Point being, sometimes the best effects are not enough to save a movie with a disasterous script, plot, or acting.

What is a BLL anyways?

[Ethaniel]

Originally Posted by Igottago

Well my point wasn't to try to make you look dumb and get all defensive. All I'm trying to suggest is, that at some level, story does matter. Even if you don't expect a movie to have an oscar calibur script or acting, you can't totally dismiss it either. Even "mindless" fun movies (which yes, I do enjoy as well) need to have something more than explosions and action to make them worthy of watching. Point being, sometimes the best effects are not enough to save a movie with a disasterous script, plot, or acting.

What is a BLL anyways?

I will ask like others have already.
Have you seen this movie? If you have and I missed it sorry, but if you haven't and you are stating that there is no story or plot to the movie what so ever you will have to give your head a small shake because there is a plot and there is a story it just isn't going to win any awards(like well 99% of the movies made).

[Igottago]

Originally Posted by Ethaniel

I will ask like others have already.
Have you seen this movie? If you have and I missed it sorry, but if you haven't and you are stating that there is no story or plot to the movie what so ever you will have to give your head a small shake because there is a plot and there is a story it just isn't going to win any awards(like well 99% of the movies made).

I havent seen it. I have seen the first one which I didn't like, so I can't imagine I'd be a fan of this one either. But thats not really what I was getting at.

I was responding to the general idea that you can turn your brain off and enjoy a movie that doesn't have a decent plot, which I think is false, because if that were true, you could lower your expectations enough to enjoy every movie ever made. Even the so called "mindless" movies should have a passable script. I guess, according to you, Transformers 2 does.

[Ethaniel]

Originally Posted by Igottago

I havent seen it. I have seen the first one which I didn't like, so I can't imagine I'd be a fan of this one either. But thats not really what I was getting at.

I was responding to the general idea that you can turn your brain off and enjoy a movie that doesn't have a decent plot, which I think is false, because if that were true, you could lower your expectations enough to enjoy every movie ever made. Even the so called "mindless" movies should have a passable script. I guess, according to you, Transformers 2 does.

Not unless you fall asleep like burnin vernon did at least.
I mean yes it is not the most complex story out there and it wont win an award, but you still have to follow the plot line and there is still a story to the movie.

[The Ditch]

Isn't this a sequel to a movie based off a cartoon show on alien robots who somehow look like human machines based off of line of childrens toys? Did anyone expect this to be anything good? Really?

[flambers]

Originally Posted by The Ditch

Isn't this a sequel to a movie based off a cartoon show on alien robots who somehow look like human machines based off of line of childrens toys? Did anyone expect this to be anything good? Really?

Oh please..... What is Superman/ Spiderman//Batman//Ironman/Hulk/Xmen based on..........

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by flambers

Oh please..... What is Superman/ Spiderman//Batman//Ironman/Hulk/Xmen based on..........

shakespeare

[doozwimp]

The twin autobots are the worst "character" since Jar Jar Binks.

[VANFLAMESFAN]

Originally Posted by doozwimp

The twin autobots are the worst "character" since Jar Jar Binks.

Yeah, I'll pretty much agree with that. Their schtick got old......real fast. I think Jar Jar was more annoying though.....at least the twins were willing to fight, Jar Jar accidently destroyed droids.

[Blaster86]

Originally Posted by Hack&Lube

[geek]

Oh come on man,

Galvatron had only a pyrrhic victory in Rebirth as the Nebulon-bonded Autobots fought back and won in the same story. Unless you are talking about Transformers: Headmasters the Japanese series where Galvatron succeeded in destroying Cybertron altogether.

Both work. It was more than Megatron ever accomplished.

Originally Posted by Hack&Lube

G1 Megatron absolutely conquered Cybertron between 1985 and 2005 and forced the Autobots out completely.

Oh yeah? Got proof? The only Canon during that period is Dreamwave and according to them, Shockwave did it (according to them Shockwave did everything though). Even still, the only Autobots that were on Cybertron for sure were the Fembots... yeah, tough to root out. Not an accomplishment.

Originally Posted by Hack&Lube

G1 Megatron killed Brawn, Prowl, and Ironhide, maybe Ratchet as well (unclear who shot him)...and likely many more Autobots in Autobot city (Wheeljack? Windcharger?)

Negative. Brawn isn't dead (see Carnage in C-Minor. It's not an animation error. Shut up, let me dream.... I said shut-up). Prowl was killed by Scavenger, and Ironhide and Ratchet were both pretty much dead after being melted down by other Decepticons on the shuttle. Eitherway, all the damage done other than finishing off Ironhide was done by Starscream.

Originally Posted by Hack&Lube

G1 Comic Megatron captured the ark, disassembled all the autobots, hung them upside down in pieces on hooks and chains.

That was Shockwave. He also had Megatron hooked up in a similar way he did the Autobots. When Megatron cam back to life, he tried to fight Ratchet and Buster... and lost.

Originally Posted by Hack&Lube

G1 Comic Megatron killed G1 Comic Optimus Prime without lifting a finger by getting Prime to play a videogame! Of course, Megatron h4x0rd but Prime was so stupid Megatron tricked him into allowing his self-destruct button to be pushed for losing the game.

And Megatron can take credit for Prime being a tool? I don't think so. He actually LOST in the game, and Prime decided to kill himself because.... no one really knows? Wanted a break?

Originally Posted by Hack&Lube

You're also forgettnig G1 Megatron also killed Prime by his own hands...and survived much longer than Prime did, could probably have lived with a few repairs whereas stupid Prime just turned grey and died on the table right after the fight.

"You have nothing to fear, I've already crushed Optimus Prime with my bare hands!"
"You exaggerate."

What happens if Hot Rod doesn't get in the way to play human shield? Megatron goes home with a new hole where his head was. After all his bluster, and taking a piece out of Prime's side he still got over powered and beaten, and only won out because Hot Rod tried too hard.

Originally Posted by Hack&Lube

If there is a more ineffectual and stupid leader, it's Optimus Prime lol. He keeps getting tricked by Megatron into fighting all these cybertronian code of honor fights that Megatron rigs but Prime is so stupid he keeps getting himself killed or almost all the Autobots sent to melt in the sun because he is honorbound.

Oh, I am not saying Prime is a great leader, but in the comics he's had his moments. Single handedly beating Unicron, defeating the swarm. Etc etc. Obviously Prime will never be my favorite Autobot leader since Blaster at one point led the Autobots.

Megatron has done nothing. He's dead a lot, gone insane, been cloned, but never actually succeeded. He got beat by Spider-Man for christ's sake!

[VANFLAMESFAN]

Blaster......ur a geek.

[Blaster86]

Originally Posted by VANFLAMESFAN

Blaster......ur a geek.

I'm also right, and that's all that matters.

[Ethaniel]

Originally Posted by Blaster86

I'm also right, and that's all that matters.

Not completely as you cheer for the wrong team !

[flambers]

Looks like a few folks liked the movie......

http://jam.canoe.ca/Movies/2009/06/25/9934241-ap.html

"'Transformers 2' breaks record"

""Transformers" robots are record-breakers at the box office.
"Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen" opened with US$60.6 million domestically in its first day, a new high for a Wednesday debut, according to distributor Paramount"

[burnin_vernon]

Originally Posted by Ethaniel

So you fell asleep in the parts where the story was developed because there was no loud noises?

Ha! I actually fell asleep more during the fight scenes, explosions, etc. It was all nothing I hadn't seen before. I put a lot of value on a good character and this movie didn't have a single good one. (Sam's parents were the closest) Bring on Inglorious Baterds

[Ethaniel]

You must have been really tired...

[flip]

Originally Posted by CMPunk

Maybe it was too "smart" for me...it just made no sense.

95% of movies i goto i know what I'm getting into. Mindless comedies and action flicks, Pixar movies...I have enough stress and other things going on in my life that I don't need to have to think through my entertainment. What I'm looking for is for my movies, music, books and TV to take me away for the length of the time I'm enjoying them.

If that makes me dumber then you or too low brow to be a useful human, well too bad, because I'm in the majority, and the reason there are movies made like this is because people enjoy them for what they are.

Now excuse me, I have to finish my BLL and then hop into my car and blast some Nickleback on the way to see Transformers

So let me get this straight. Your life is too stressful and complicated that you can't watch movies that have any semblance of plot, characterization, story or any other pieces of a film that make it good. And yet clearly debating endlessly on the internet defending your (IMO poor) taste in movies isn't stressful?

Perhaps if you stopped getting stressed on CP, you'd be able to appreciate good movies.


Seriously though, I don't buy the whole "my life is too stressful, I need dumb movies" argument. I watch a lot of movies and they are movies that I consider good, but I certainly don't watch The Passion of the Christ for fun. I don't think anyone does. I actually find bad movies a hell of a lot more stressful than good ones.

Sure it may be stressful if you're watching Schindler's List, the Reader and Revolutionary Road every second day but I certainly wouldn't call a movie like T2 to be taxing on my intellect or so deep I get stressed.

I don't think anyone here is saying all action movies have to be Best Picture winners, just don't be so bad they get nominated for the Razzies (sp?) every single year. Let movies like Blade, T2, TDK, Iron Man, Die Hard etc be the benchmark not Catwoman (way bad) or Schindler's List (way deep).

The common argument of the stupid movie supporters seems to be that they don't need good movies. Great, a lot of people don't need good movies. But wouldn't it be nice if they were good movies?

Defending liking them is one thing, but to insinuate that dumb movies are good doesn't make any sense at all. To say that you can tolerate a stupid and fun movie maybe, but don't lie and say you'd rather have the movie be fun and stupid than fun and good.