PETA not happy with Obama. O RLY?

[Dion]

PETA in action:

[Nuje]

Now, how many dudes walk into a KFC, walk out enjoying their spicy big crunch clubbed combo, and then just think "This is a good day. KFC, and nudity"

[Devils'Advocate]

Originally Posted by krazycanuck

You know... one of my best friends is a Muslim and he finds the use of alcohol morally repugnant. I would never tell him that "for every beer he doesn't drink, I'm gonna drink three". Now, I may actually DO that, but I wouldn't TELL him that, because it's like spitting on his belief system and I would think it incredibly disrespectful.

[mikey_the_redneck]

Originally Posted by krazycanuck

HAHA........I love Maddox articles.

[QuadCityImages]

Originally Posted by nik-

What I want to know is where was the Secret Service!?!?!?!?!?!??!

How does a fly get that close to the president!?!?!?!??!

It was actually a miniaturized Chinese UAV trying to kill him.

[bcb]

While you are technically right, you must admit that being a vegetarian is not a religion, and thus, making fun of vegans is probably not on par with insulting Islam.

[Weiser Wonder]

Originally Posted by bcb

"You know... one of my best friends is a Muslim and he finds the use of alcohol morally repugnant. I would never tell him that "for every beer he doesn't drink, I'm gonna drink three". Now, I may actually DO that, but I wouldn't TELL him that, because it's like spitting on his belief system and I would think it incredibly disrespectful."

While you are technically right, you must admit that being a vegetarian is not a religion, and thus, making fun of vegans is probably not on par with insulting Islam.

Unless it is part of the religion, like in Hinduism. But I disagree with the premise of the quote, I think it's perfectly OK to make fun of someone for their beliefs and I do it pretty much everyday.

[bcb]

Originally Posted by Weiser Wonder

Unless it is part of the religion, like in Hinduism. But I disagree with the premise of the quote, I think it's perfectly OK to make fun of someone for their beliefs and I do it pretty much everyday.

Yeah, I don't think too many Hindus support PETA. The naked ladies protesting KFC, definitely not Hindu.

[Devils'Advocate]

Originally Posted by Weiser Wonder

I think it's perfectly OK to make fun of someone for their beliefs and I do it pretty much everyday.

Well, doesn't that make you a special slice of humanity?

I have no problem discussing beliefs and ethics and even strongly condemning some beliefs (hatred towards minorities, gays, etc)... but it takes a special kind of person to belittle someone's beliefs just because it gets you off....

[Weiser Wonder]

Originally Posted by Devils'Advocate

Well, doesn't that make you a special slice of humanity?

I have no problem discussing beliefs and ethics and even strongly condemning some beliefs (hatred towards minorities, gays, etc)... but it takes a special kind of person to belittle someone's beliefs just because it gets you off....

You don't make fun of mormons, evangelicals or other anyone like that? I do every day. All of my friends do every day. South Park does it on every show. Are Trey Parker and Matt Stone special kinds of people?

I would not make fun of a friend's belief because I respect my friend, not the actual belief.

[CrusaderPi]

To think, all this started over a fly.

[FlamingLonghorn]

Originally Posted by bcb

While you are technically right, you must admit that being a vegetarian is not a religion, and thus, making fun of vegans is probably not on par with insulting Islam.

Why not? What makes my belief that animals have the right to life any less off limits than someone else's belief in a magic being who controls the world? In fact my belief is grounded in a lot more evidence than any religion is.

[bcb]

Originally Posted by Sowa

Why not? What makes my belief that animals have the right to life any less off limits than someone else's belief in a magic being who controls the world? In fact my belief is grounded in a lot more evidence than any religion is.

Personally, I don't believe any belief should be off limits in a free society. No sacred cows.

However, criticism of a religious or ethical belief becomes totally acceptable when the organization promoting the view publicly campaigns on the issue. Whether it be religious folk on my doorstep on a Saturday morning, or naked ladies protesting KFC, by advertising (and in some cases, proselytizing), you have to be able to give and take.

When PETA sent Obama a humane fly-trapping kit, they have to realize that catch and release of a mosquito is not a mainstream value, and by making it public, to prepare for the wrath.

[FlamingLonghorn]

Originally Posted by bcb

Personally, I don't believe any belief should be off limits in a free society. No sacred cows.

However, criticism of a religious or ethical belief becomes totally acceptable when the organization promoting the view publicly campaigns on the issue. Whether it be religious folk on my doorstep on a Saturday morning, or naked ladies protesting KFC, by advertising (and in some cases, proselytizing), you have to be able to give and take.

When PETA sent Obama a humane fly-trapping kit, they have to realize that catch and release of a mosquito is not a mainstream value, and by making it public, to prepare for the wrath.

I have no problem with all beliefs being open game. And I am the last person who is going to get offended as I myself am not the most PC person in the world by a longshot. I just thought it was interesting that you felt religion was more off limits than veganism as people who believe in those things generally regard them about the same.

[krazycanuck]

Originally Posted by Devils'Advocate

You know... one of my best friends is a Muslim and he finds the use of alcohol morally repugnant. I would never tell him that "for every beer he doesn't drink, I'm gonna drink three". Now, I may actually DO that, but I wouldn't TELL him that, because it's like spitting on his belief system and I would think it incredibly disrespectful.

You know... one of my best friends is a guy with no sense of humour and he finds the use of clearly ######ed pictures posted on message boards morally repugnant. I would never tell him that "he shouldn't get so offended over something so obviously satirical". Now, I may actually THINK that, but I wouldn't TELL him that, because it's like spitting on his belief system and I would think it incredibly disrespectful.

[jammies]

Originally Posted by Devils'Advocate

You know... one of my best friends is a Muslim and he finds the use of alcohol morally repugnant. I would never tell him that "for every beer he doesn't drink, I'm gonna drink three". Now, I may actually DO that, but I wouldn't TELL him that, because it's like spitting on his belief system and I would think it incredibly disrespectful.

I really don't care if people want to be vegans, as long as they don't try to take a moral high ground because of it. If you think I'm an unrepentant Neanderthal for eating meat, I'm not sure why I shouldn't reciprocate your incredibly disrespectful stance towards my morality by mocking yours.

If I had a Muslim friend who tried to tell me drinking beer was wrong, I probably *would* tell him I'm drinking three times as much beer to make up for him, because it's none of his business what I do any more than it's the business of the idiots in PETA what I eat. Believe what you want, argue your side, but as soon as you start talking about someone else's lack of morality, you can't expect them to refrain from attacking yours.

[jammies]

Originally Posted by KTrain

This time, PETA didn't seek out the attention they just took it when the media brought it to them.

The media gave them the attention because they knew PETA would come up with something epically stupid. PETA *could* have said something like, "We are not about saving individual flies, we're about changing the attitudes of people towards all life." Instead, they couldn't help but do themselves harm with an absolutely ridiculous appeal to save a fly, because they confuse notoriety with popularity. Which is why they'll always be a fringe group of nutjobs with as much influence as the Flat Earth Society.

[Devils'Advocate]

Originally Posted by jammies

I really don't care if people want to be vegans, as long as they don't try to take a moral high ground because of it. If you think I'm an unrepentant Neanderthal for eating meat, I'm not sure why I shouldn't reciprocate your incredibly disrespectful stance towards my morality by mocking yours.

If I had a Muslim friend who tried to tell me drinking beer was wrong, I probably *would* tell him I'm drinking three times as much beer to make up for him, because it's none of his business what I do any more than it's the business of the idiots in PETA what I eat. Believe what you want, argue your side, but as soon as you start talking about someone else's lack of morality, you can't expect them to refrain from attacking yours.

Quite. I agree with that 100%. Though I'm having trouble finding where I took a disrespectful stance toward anyone's morality.

In fact, here is what I wrote here on CP about a month ago:

I personally believe that vegetarianism reduces suffering, but I don't push it on anyone and don't like to discuss it unless it is brought up (like in this case). I think it is a personal belief and I don't have any right to say that anyone elses belief system is wrong. I have said throughout this thread that this is my opinion and people are free to disagree with me.

The graphic in question was posted in response to my first post in this thread. I have read it over 3 times now and can't find where I was being disrespectful.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by Dion

PETA in action:

The ugly dude holding the sign can have his bucket of chicken, as an animal rights person I will happily take the two naked chicks home with me.

[jammies]

Originally Posted by Devils'Advocate

Quite. I agree with that 100%. Though I'm having trouble finding where I took a disrespectful stance toward anyone's morality.

You know what, you are right and I am wrong. I should have been much more specific in my post and made it clear I wasn't talking about you in particular; reading it now it seems as if it is directed at you, when it shouldn't be and actually wasn't meant to be. So please accept my apologies.