Zeitgeist, 9/11, and Other Conspiracies

[Flames Draft Watcher]

Originally Posted by peter12

Dude, philosophers have been questioning religion since Socrates.

Ooooohhh, thanks for the free philosophy lesson there.

Originally Posted by peter12

This isn't some new thing that moderns dreamed up.

Well I'd assume that you'd agree that the religion of the Ancient Greeks is not identical to the Christian religion. Nor that the effect religion had on the city-state of Ancient Greece is identical to the effect Christianity and the institution known as the Catholic church had on life during the Dark Ages, Renaissance, etc.

The Moderns are addressing our modern situation. The effect that Christianity has had on our culture and morality. Socrates obviously couldn't be an expert on that.

Originally Posted by peter12

Besides, out of all those the Nietzche reading is the only worthwhile one

Feuerbach, Freud and Marx aren't worth reading? okay then. Guess we'll agree to disagree. I still think Marx is one of the most important thinkers of the last couple hundred years and that he should be read for one's self.

[photon]

Originally Posted by mikey_the_redneck

Well, Alex Jones does not stand alone from what I can tell. It seems their are many investigative journalist types that happen to think along the same lines about world government and big business political corruption. I guess I was using Alex as the representative of all the "conspiracy" types.
Just wanted to clarify that as of course there are more trains of though than just Jones vs. the government.

I understand, it's just easy to single out Jones as representative.

Sure there's reporters who think that. There's also reporters who report the benefits of using crystals to align your chakras, that the earth is 6000 years old, and that bigfoot is among us. Or other smaller things which are still untrue.

The thing is they, just like everyone else, are human. We're all really easy to deceive, just look at magicians and how easily misled we are. Research is full of studies of our brains and the kind of shortcuts we take mentally, and how magicians and snake oil salesmen and politicians have all developed to take advantage of that to their own benefit.

So we have to create ways of thinking, ways of observing, that compensate for our nature. That's what that book I suggested talks about.

[RougeUnderoos]

Originally Posted by mikey_the_redneck

I haven't gone off about this stuff before, because I just saw Zeitgeist the other day, and Zeitgeist was not created by Alex Jones, but the film Obama Deception was. I just wanted to bring some issues up that alot of people may have never heard about to create some interesting discussion.

I don't mean to keep piling on, but I spent about 20 minutes watching "Obama Deception" and it is so full of holes I can't believe anyone would take it seriously.

It repeatedly contradicts itself: "The Bilderberg Meeting is very secret and nobody knows the details. The secret Bilderberg Meeting is at the Marriot on Saturday".

If any of this stuff was true the people who reported it would be dead, wouldn't they?

Seems to me that the overlords who are starting the wars, killing presidents, stealing trillions of dollars, rigging elections and generally effing over everyone on the planet wouldn't have any qualms about whacking someone who is shouting their "secrets" from the rooftops. Why wouldn't they just push him off the rooftop?

Maybe Alex Jones and the rest of the conspiracy people are on the payroll of the Bilderberg Group? Has anyone considered that possibility? The conspirators paying (or blackmailing) phoney anti-conspirators to spread disinformation about the real conspiracy?

Reverse Vampires?

[mikey_the_redneck]

Originally Posted by RougeUnderoos

I don't mean to keep piling on, but I spent about 20 minutes watching "Obama Deception" and it is so full of holes I can't believe anyone would take it seriously.

It repeatedly contradicts itself: "The Bilderberg Meeting is very secret and nobody knows the details. The secret Bilderberg Meeting is at the Marriot on Saturday".

If any of this stuff was true the people who reported it would be dead, wouldn't they?

Seems to me that the overlords who are starting the wars, killing presidents, stealing trillions of dollars, rigging elections and generally effing over everyone on the planet wouldn't have any qualms about whacking someone who is shouting their "secrets" from the rooftops. Why wouldn't they just push him off the rooftop?

Maybe Alex Jones and the rest of the conspiracy people are on the payroll of the Bilderberg Group? Has anyone considered that possibility? The conspirators paying (or blackmailing) phoney anti-conspirators to spread disinformation about the real conspiracy?

Reverse Vampires?

The Bilderberg members are arrogant and they know that most 9-5 working, church going, beer drinking, American Idol watching Americans are so dumb that they would never even question things no matter who's story they're trying to prove.

Did you watch the part in the movie where Jones was in the hotel where Bilderberg was supposed to take place and they pulled the fire alarm the night before to clear eveyone out? Why did they have to do that? And the footage of the members driving in the next morning, you notice that there is no network logos anywhere, and no traditional "news anchor" types around.............just a bunch of 9/11 truth movement protestors and other guys of Alex Jones' ilk.

[Tower]

Originally Posted by RougeUnderoos

I don't mean to keep piling on, but I spent about 20 minutes watching "Obama Deception" and it is so full of holes I can't believe anyone would take it seriously.

It repeatedly contradicts itself: "The Bilderberg Meeting is very secret and nobody knows the details. The secret Bilderberg Meeting is at the Marriot on Saturday".

If any of this stuff was true the people who reported it would be dead, wouldn't they?

Seems to me that the overlords who are starting the wars, killing presidents, stealing trillions of dollars, rigging elections and generally effing over everyone on the planet wouldn't have any qualms about whacking someone who is shouting their "secrets" from the rooftops. Why wouldn't they just push him off the rooftop?

Maybe Alex Jones and the rest of the conspiracy people are on the payroll of the Bilderberg Group? Has anyone considered that possibility? The conspirators paying (or blackmailing) phoney anti-conspirators to spread disinformation about the real conspiracy?

Reverse Vampires?

There is a man who has been studying this group for 15-20 years. Has insiders who are appalled at what is being talked about.

As for the group, I believe it exists.

On another side of the documentary - there is something earlier I said about conspiracies. Something/someone would have to crack if the truth came out. Well there is someone who finally has. Not all out your government is behind it all but the lies are out there and being covered.

Language

http://www.weblo.com/digital/asset/9...1_of_3/684017/

He has a motive as he is sick, but he is a NYPD, and does that not speak for something?

[RougeUnderoos]

Originally Posted by mikey_the_redneck

Did you watch the part in the movie where Jones was in the hotel where Bilderberg was supposed to take place and they pulled the fire alarm the night before to clear eveyone out?

Yeah I saw that part -- but they were still filming from inside the hotel the following morning.

[Tower]

Kinda funny guy here.

http://www.youtube.com/user/davisfleetwood

[Displaced Flames fan]

Originally Posted by Flames Draft Watcher

Ooooohhh, thanks for the free philosophy lesson there.

Need to borrow that mirror?

[mikey_the_redneck]

Originally Posted by Tower

There is a man who has been studying this group for 15-20 years. Has insiders who are appalled at what is being talked about.

As for the group, I believe it exists.

On another side of the documentary - there is something earlier I said about conspiracies. Something/someone would have to crack if the truth came out. Well there is someone who finally has. Not all out your government is behind it all but the lies are out there and being covered.

Language

http://www.weblo.com/digital/asset/9...1_of_3/684017/

He has a motive as he is sick, but he is a NYPD, and does that not speak for something?

I watched 2 separate 9/11 truth documentaries............alot of holes in the story that most people have been told, and the politicians who they confront behave very strangely sometimes when questioned about 9/11.

I found their concerns about building 7 to be quite interesting.

[peter12]

Originally Posted by mikey_the_redneck

I watched 2 separate 9/11 truth documentaries............alot of holes in the story that most people have been told, and the politicians who they confront behave very strangely sometimes when questioned about 9/11.

I found their concerns about building 7 to be quite interesting.

Have you seen the wackos who are involved in confronting politicians? Jeez, I'd behave strangely too if I had Alex Jones big double chin wagging away some BS 6 inches in front of my nose.

[Phaneuf3]

Originally Posted by RougeUnderoos

Reverse Vampires?

oh shi-


the saucer people are here.

[Tower]

Originally Posted by peter12

Have you seen the wackos who are involved in confronting politicians? Jeez, I'd behave strangely too if I had Alex Jones big double chin wagging away some BS 6 inches in front of my nose.

Have you seen the non-wacko's interviewing this guy? "Loose Change"? The Cop directly say's it was accurate except for the very beginning in version 1.

http://www.weblo.com/digital/asset/9...1_of_3/684017/

I have not seen it yet but I'll watch it tonight or tomorrow.

[Tower]

Originally Posted by mikey_the_redneck

I watched 2 separate 9/11 truth documentaries............alot of holes in the story that most people have been told, and the politicians who they confront behave very strangely sometimes when questioned about 9/11.

I found their concerns about building 7 to be quite interesting.

Yes, the separate building ACROSS and AWAY from the plane strikes fall exactly like the plane towers... Also the NYPO was at that building when it fell.

So we have testimony and still the nay say people don't want investigations? (Which to this day have not been done) Odd...

[Blaster86]

Originally Posted by Tower

Yes, the separate building ACROSS and AWAY from the plane strikes fall exactly like the plane towers... Also the NYPO was at that building when it fell.

So we have testimony and still the nay say people don't want investigations? (Which to this day have not been done) Odd...

Que the pictures of the side of WTC 7 Building facing the actual towers (You know, the side that got absolutely destroyed by the collapsing towers debris) not the opposite side that everyone sites as proof the tower was fine.

Conspiracy theorists are baddies at the game of logical thinking.

edit- The southwest corner (facing the collapsing towers 1 and 2) after the major collapse.



Yeah, that building looks like it's gonna stand on it's own for sure! It was totally internal explosions that brought it down, not large chunks of the building being obliterated after being whaled on by large chunks of larger building hitting it. Baddies.

[Tower]

Originally Posted by Blaster86

Que the pictures of the side of WTC 7 Building facing the actual towers (You know, the side that got absolutely destroyed by the collapsing towers debris) not the opposite side that everyone sites as proof the tower was fine.

Conspiracy theorists are baddies at the game of logical thinking.

edit- The southwest corner (facing the collapsing towers 1 and 2) after the major collapse.



Yeah, that building looks like it's gonna stand on it's own for sure! It was totally internal explosions that brought it down, not large chunks of the building being obliterated after being whaled on by large chunks of larger building hitting it. Baddies.

AAAAAAAANd that's why the building fell straight down? Like a tree does when it's chopped to one side? That tree's momentum carries it straight down no? The tree explodes at each "floor"? Didn't think so myself. The force given should have shoved the building down not cause it to collapse on it's side. The NYPO testimony itself tells you way more than your picture....

[Blaster86]

Originally Posted by Tower

AAAAAAAANd that's why the building fell straight down? Like a tree does when it's chopped to one side? That tree's momentum carries it straight down no? The tree explodes at each "floor"? Didn't think so myself. The force given should have shoved the building down not cause it to collapse on it's side. The NYPO testimony itself tells you way more than your picture....

Negative. There wasn't enough force to take down a building, there was enough force to leave serious structural damage and cause fires to perforate the building which would lead to serious structural damage, especially if they were able to rage through out the day with no real attempts to stop it.

However, what the outward structural damage indicates is that it wasn't an internal explosion that brought about the fires and eventual collapse of the building. It was the pelting of debris that caused the fire and did the structural damage. It was the fire that weakened everything else to allow the building to pancake.

You're out gunned, I'd give up.

[RougeUnderoos]

Originally Posted by Tower

AAAAAAAANd that's why the building fell straight down? Like a tree does when it's chopped to one side? That tree's momentum carries it straight down no? The tree explodes at each "floor"? Didn't think so myself. The force given should have shoved the building down not cause it to collapse on it's side. The NYPO testimony itself tells you way more than your picture....

Why would somebody collapse that building?

After everything that had already happened that day, knocking down Building 7 is like scoring an empty-netter in a 10-0 hockey game. What's the point? The conspirators had already won. Mission: Accomplished. Why did they risk it all to knock down a building that none of us had ever even heard of? They knew everyone in the world was watching.

Were the 9/11 plans in there?

[photon]

To cover the evidence of evacuating all the secret gold in the basement so that the gold standard wouldn't come back! It's all connected.

[mikey_the_redneck]

Originally Posted by Tower

AAAAAAAANd that's why the building fell straight down? Like a tree does when it's chopped to one side? That tree's momentum carries it straight down no? The tree explodes at each "floor"? Didn't think so myself. The force given should have shoved the building down not cause it to collapse on it's side. The NYPO testimony itself tells you way more than your picture....

Jesse Ventura has experience in demolition from his days as a Navy SEAL and he insists that ALL the WTC buildings were "controlled demolition". He is one of very few political folk down there who speaks the truth of 9/11.

Go and watch some Las Vegas demolitions on youtube and then watch WTC 7 go down........exactly the same.

[Blaster86]

Originally Posted by mikey_the_redneck

Jesse Ventura has experience in demolition from his days as a Navy SEAL and he insists that ALL the WTC buildings were "controlled demolition". He is one of very few political folk down there who speaks the truth of 9/11.

Go and watch some Las Vegas demolitions on youtube and then watch WTC 7 go down........exactly the same.

Sure are! Know what that means? Nothing.

If supports have five plus hours to burn and warp all thoughout the building, eventually it would pancake all on its own, the same way if they were blown out quickly.