Zeitgeist, 9/11, and Other Conspiracies

[Blaster86]

Originally Posted by photon

Some did:

http://www.conspiracyscience.com/articles/zeitgeist/

I haven't read through it though because I haven't watched the whole Zeitgeist movie.. waste of time to do so really. But the site does seem well referenced and the bit of stuff I read about the history of Christianity seemed right in how it addressed the movie.

There's nothing wrong with a "question, unlearn, challenge" viewpoint, as long as whatever's being unlearned is being replaced with baloney.

There's tons of scholarly material on the origins of Christianity, history of Judaism, etc that will be far more interesting and far more accurate than this movie.

Yep. Seen that. A friend and me sat down one time and went over everything we could in it. The movie is very Bowling for Columbinish in the way it stretches and ignores certain things.

[Tower]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cziN3...ture=rec-HM-r2

[peter12]

Originally Posted by Tower

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cziN3...ture=rec-HM-r2

Ron Paul is a very smart politician, but he ain't no economist.

[mikey_the_redneck]

I just saw Zeitgeist today and it absolutely floored me...............

I can't comment on the religion portion of it as I have not been raised in a religious family and therefore have very little knowledge about it. It was interesting to me.........but I have never taken others' religious beliefs seriously anyway.

The 3rd part about the economic structure of the world was mostly, if not completely true, and it is a travesty. The fiat money system with central banks was a failed system from the start. The U.S.A. is in debt that it will NEVER get out of...........and people (even Canadians) should be concerned about the ramifications of this.

The problem is that not many people really know whats going on because the mainstream media is owned by most of these rich financiers, and they have us so worried about terrorism, steroids in sports, and celebrity crap that we are distracted by what the real agenda is.

Google "Bilderberg Group" for more on this.......

Right now, U.S. Congress is discussing bill HR1207(put forth by Ron Paul I beleive) to audit the Federal Reserve Bank. NOBODY has done this before because the Federal Reserve bank is privately owned and sets its own policy. THIS IS FACT.
I wouldn't be surprised if HR1207 is not passed, or is watered down so badly that people won't see where all this bail-out money went to or what the Fed has really been up to.
Does anyone know who the last big time politician was to question the Federal Reserve Bank?
John F. Kennedy
JFK wanted to abolish the Fed as well as the CIA.......he knew they were the ones really pulling the strings of the entire world..........and we all know what happened to JFK. Every president since him has been a puppet for banking cartels.

History has a funny way of repeating itself and it is touched upon a bit in this film but I have seen other material out there that really magnifies it.

I have also seen several interviews on youtube with the creator of Zeitgeist and he isn't a negative, anti-govermnet hippy either. He is simply a thinker, and he has some intersting ideas about sustainability of mankind and stuff like that...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XQRnj...e=channel_page

[tussery]

Originally Posted by peter12

Ron Paul is a very smart politician, but he ain't no economist.

He is no economist, but it doesn't take one to figure out that over spending and over extending loans is at some point going to cause an economic downturn. What the US is doing now has throughout history caused the downfall of many a civilization. We are following in the exact same footsteps of the Roman empire and it doesn't take much more than opening a history book to figure that out.

[mikey_the_redneck]

Originally Posted by tussery

He is no economist, but it doesn't take one to figure out that over spending and over extending loans is at some point going to cause an economic downturn. What the US is doing now has throughout history caused the downfall of many a civilization. We are following in the exact same footsteps of the Roman empire and it doesn't take much more than opening a history book to figure that out.

Exactly, behind the scenes the U.S. Government have passed bills and created institutions that limit peoples rights and freedoms, granted by the constitution. These include the Patriot Act and Homeland Security.

What is really scary is they are trying to circumvent the 2nd Amendment down there. Yeah, ....gun control.
You see, the 2nd Amend. was put into place so the citizens can overthrow their goverment (if it becomes corrupt) with use if force, or............the right to bear arms.

Does anyone know what former nations famously took guns away from its' citizens in order to further their own agenda??
-Hitlers Germany(which was financially backed by the same bank cartels that currently own the U.S. Federal Reserve)
-Mao's China
-Stalin's Russia

If you take peoples guns away they are literally defenseless.
Interesting isn't it?

[FlamingLonghorn]

Originally Posted by mikey_the_redneck

What is really scary is they are trying to circumvent the 2nd Amendment down there. Yeah, ....gun control.
You see, the 2nd Amend. was put into place so the citizens can overthrow their goverment (if it becomes corrupt) with use if force, or............the right to bear arms.

Does anyone know what former nations famously took guns away from its' citizens in order to further their own agenda??
-Hitlers Germany(which was financially backed by the same bank cartels that currently own the U.S. Federal Reserve)
-Mao's China
-Stalin's Russia

If you take peoples guns away they are literally defenseless.
Interesting isn't it?

How are they taking our right to bear arms away? Send me a legit source, not Alex Jones. Hell in Texas right now there's a bill being considered to let us carry guns into bars. Are they limiting what guns we can own? Sure.

Also, all you conspiracy theorists (both right and left wing) think that the military will turn it's guns on the US civilian population if there is a major revolution (which there won't be). I know hundreds of soldier in all branches of the US armed forces of all ranks. The people in our military have no desire to turn our country into an authoritarian regime. Hell they are in the military because they believe the US's ideas of freedom are worth fighting for.

[tussery]

Since the Campus Carry Bill and the bill covering the right to keep a firearm in your vehicle on your employers parking lot died in congress here in Texas I can guarantee you that the guns in bars will go nowhere.

Like was said in the post above the US military is not going to turn and fire on civilians over something as juvenile as gun control. You ask the majority of armed forces their view on the 2nd in the US and the majority support it. Politicians in Washington would be making a mistake trying to use US troops to enforce taking firearms from the public in the US as a good majority of troops would turn their guns to the Politicians before civilians.

[mikey_the_redneck]

Originally Posted by Sowa

How are they taking our right to bear arms away? Send me a legit source, not Alex Jones. Hell in Texas right now there's a bill being considered to let us carry guns into bars. Are they limiting what guns we can own? Sure.

Also, all you conspiracy theorists (both right and left wing) think that the military will turn it's guns on the US civilian population if there is a major revolution (which there won't be). I know hundreds of soldier in all branches of the US armed forces of all ranks. The people in our military have no desire to turn our country into an authoritarian regime. Hell they are in the military because they believe the US's ideas of freedom are worth fighting for.

The City of Chicago just passed a no hand gun law..........I can get a link for you, as well as several other examples of attempts to create laws that try to severely control or take guns from the people.
Perhaps ironically, the biggest growing sector in the gun market is single women in big cities.....

[photon]

http://www.conspiracyscience.com/articles/zeitgeist/

[FlamingLonghorn]

Originally Posted by mikey_the_redneck

The City of Chicago just passed a no hand gun law..........I can get a link for you, as well as several other examples of attempts to create laws that try to severely control or take guns from the people.
Perhaps ironically, the biggest growing sector in the gun market is single women in big cities.....

No you can't get a link for me on Chicago just passing a no hand gun law. It was passed 26 yrs ago and upheld in an appeals court last week. The appeals court upheld it due to a past Supreme Court ruling from a long time ago that said the 2nd amendment doesn't apply to states/city laws. It will be going to the Supreme Court again and we will see what happens. I guess you are implying that these people who control our gov't are going to take away the right own guns city by city? Wouldn't it just be easier to enact a federal law?

A SF court of appeals ruled the opposite recently. I guess that court is not part of the Financial secret society that is going to destroy this country?

[Tower]

While points of this documentary I do not agree with... It's great to see more wake up.

If this government and the US government act lawfully then why or how can we complain. They hide behind plausible deniability and continue to take away founding rights of the lands our forefathers struggled to build and create. We slowly grow numb until we no longer care and would rather watch some stupid TV show and live in fear in our own homes (prisons).

Wake up. Unplug.

[mikey_the_redneck]

Originally Posted by Sowa

No you can't get a link for me on Chicago just passing a no hand gun law. It was passed 26 yrs ago and upheld in an appeals court last week. The appeals court upheld it due to a past Supreme Court ruling from a long time ago that said the 2nd amendment doesn't apply to states/city laws. It will be going to the Supreme Court again and we will see what happens. I guess you are implying that these people who control our gov't are going to take away the right own guns city by city? Wouldn't it just be easier to enact a federal law?

A SF court of appeals ruled the opposite recently. I guess that court is not part of the Financial secret society that is going to destroy this country?

Yeah you're right. I realized that last night when I was checking. I didn't see the part where it was passed so long ago...
Anyways, there are efforts being made both federally and locally to bring in strict gun control.
http://www.infowars.com/hr-45-may-be...anti-gun-bill/
http://www.infowars.com/draconian-gu...dment-privacy/
In this one, Obama was said to have attempted to impose a ban on assault weapons, but was later unsuccessful in doing so.
http://www.infowars.com/obama-to-see...t-weapons-ban/

[Tower]

Originally Posted by mikey_the_redneck

Yeah you're right. I realized that last night when I was checking. I didn't see the part where it was passed so long ago...
Anyways, there are efforts being made both federally and locally to bring in strict gun control.
http://www.infowars.com/hr-45-may-be...anti-gun-bill/
http://www.infowars.com/draconian-gu...dment-privacy/
In this one, Obama was said to have attempted to impose a ban on assault weapons, but was later unsuccessful in doing so.
http://www.infowars.com/obama-to-see...t-weapons-ban/

Did you watch the Obama Deception?

The things that bug me are the over developed drama and negativity instead of using what someone can do about it. Which is also just as important as informing about Bilderberg.

[mikey_the_redneck]

Originally Posted by Tower

Did you watch the Obama Deception?

The things that bug me are the over developed drama and negativity instead of using what someone can do about it. Which is also just as important as informing about Bilderberg.

I have seen Obama Deception.........but really the whole political climate of the U.S. is summarized by Ron Paul's brother at the 58 minute mark of the film.
I found it interesting how most of America's founding fathers like Abraham Lincoln, Andrew Jackson, Thomas Jefferson etc. all have been recorded as warning about the potential for central banks to set up an empire and take control of the politics.
The Bilderberg group fascinates me and Im going to buy a book written by Daniel Estulin - Secrets of the Bilderberg Group to find out more.

All the mainstream media is owned by Bilderberg members and that is concerning. This is why people dont know about what is going on is because you will never see this stuff on Fox News, MSNBC or any other major information source.
People have to be aware of what is going on before any change can be made, and that is a big challenge guys like Alex Jones, Ron Paul, Jim Tucker etc.

[Azure]

Originally Posted by mikey_the_redneck

If you take peoples guns away they are literally defenseless.
Interesting isn't it?

Sure, it is interesting. Its also very interesting how a Democratic controlled Congress, and a Democratic Executive Branch has been passing laws, or legislating bills that allow more freedom to carry guns in the US.

While I agree that a nation without the right to bare arms is defenseless, you're FAR FAR from that in the United States.

[Azure]

Originally Posted by Sowa

How are they taking our right to bear arms away? Send me a legit source, not Alex Jones. Hell in Texas right now there's a bill being considered to let us carry guns into bars. Are they limiting what guns we can own? Sure.

Also, all you conspiracy theorists (both right and left wing) think that the military will turn it's guns on the US civilian population if there is a major revolution (which there won't be). I know hundreds of soldier in all branches of the US armed forces of all ranks. The people in our military have no desire to turn our country into an authoritarian regime. Hell they are in the military because they believe the US's ideas of freedom are worth fighting for.

Thats the biggest thing to me.

If there were a revolution, or some sort of uprising by the American people, I have a very hard time believing that the government could use the military against the people.

If anything, the government would be overthrown very easily.

[Azure]

Originally Posted by mikey_the_redneck

The City of Chicago just passed a no hand gun law..........I can get a link for you, as well as several other examples of attempts to create laws that try to severely control or take guns from the people.
Perhaps ironically, the biggest growing sector in the gun market is single women in big cities.....

That is true.

But its more a testament to the stupidity of Chicago politicians that any kind of conspiracy by the US government.

These 'lawmakers' should be more worried about legislating laws for a certain level of 'safety'.....for people who want to own a handgun, or even a certain amount of time spent at the range before you're allowed to own it....then outright banning them.

[Azure]

Originally Posted by Tower

While points of this documentary I do not agree with... It's great to see more wake up.

If this government and the US government act lawfully then why or how can we complain. They hide behind plausible deniability and continue to take away founding rights of the lands our forefathers struggled to build and create. We slowly grow numb until we no longer care and would rather watch some stupid TV show and live in fear in our own homes (prisons).

Wake up. Unplug.

Again, while one could make a case for the the things the founding fathers fought for being taken away, especially states right.....Alex Jones is WAY over the top with almost everything.

He takes a small problem and turns it into a huge conspiracy theory.

[Azure]

Originally Posted by mikey_the_redneck

Yeah you're right. I realized that last night when I was checking. I didn't see the part where it was passed so long ago...
Anyways, there are efforts being made both federally and locally to bring in strict gun control.
http://www.infowars.com/hr-45-may-be...anti-gun-bill/
http://www.infowars.com/draconian-gu...dment-privacy/
In this one, Obama was said to have attempted to impose a ban on assault weapons, but was later unsuccessful in doing so.
http://www.infowars.com/obama-to-see...t-weapons-ban/

All of this has happened before, and all of this will happen again.

Politicians have for years passed gun laws, repealed gun laws, passed them again, and repealed them again.

Under Clinton there was some sort of Assault Weapons ban...and IIRC, it was struck down when Bush got into office.

There will always be some sort of push to ban guns, and a bigger effort to not ban them. Its the way a country with such a huge diverse population functions.