Life after University...

[Dion]

Originally Posted by Phanuthier

Dion - lets leave DESS and his dillusional ideas of banning dogs and bears crazy stuff in history.

Agreed and done

[Phanuthier]

Originally Posted by Cowperson

Dare to dream.

Although I'm with you on one thing. Better find a job before and figure out how to keep it before going all ethereal.

Cowperson

Dare to dream indeed. Certainly my primary focus right now is 2 things, finish the degree and get a particular job I want. So, I haven't really skipped over the short term goals to set sights on the long term goals. But, part of setting my long term goals is to know which steps I need to take to get to a few of those long term goals, which thus set what I need to do to get there.

[Traditional_Ale]

Originally Posted by DESS

Well if you're applauding people for doing something every person on earth does, how about you applaud me for the epic crunch I took this morning.

But thats just it, DESS. Not everyone on earth has dreams! In fact, many people are trained specifically to not dream, by parents or peers who had no dreams themselves or had them crushed out.

Many, many people live with an attitude of "can't win, don't try, because failure hurts and pain is bad." This is exactly what a lot of mainstream media pounds into people's heads. Make the "American Dream" so completely rediculous and unattainable the only place it exists is on TV.

If he wants a jet bad enough, and visualizes it with a positive attitude all the time, he will most certainly realize it.

[Thor]

As long as the reasoning behind the jet is freedom to travel and not to impress others then I don't think its such a bad dream, albeit there are other dreams I personally think are much more important.

[Thor]

Originally Posted by Traditional_Ale

If he wants a jet bad enough, and visualizes it with a positive attitude all the time, he will most certainly realize it.

Oprah is that you?

[DESS]

Originally Posted by Traditional_Ale

But thats just it, DESS. Not everyone on earth has dreams! In fact, many people are trained specifically to not dream, by parents or peers who had no dreams themselves or had them crushed out.

Many, many people live with an attitude of "can't win, don't try, because failure hurts and pain is bad." This is exactly what a lot of mainstream media pounds into people's heads. Make the "American Dream" so completely rediculous and unattainable the only place it exists is on TV.

If he wants a jet bad enough, and visualizes it with a positive attitude all the time, he will most certainly realize it.

And this is my whole point. That is a naive* philosophy.

* I would LOVE to use a much stronger word here but I'm on the mods' radar so must be cautious.

[Traditional_Ale]

Originally Posted by DESS

And this is my whole point. That is a naive* philosophy.

* I would LOVE to use a much stronger word here but I'm on the mods' radar so must be cautious.

Do you know about The Law of Attraction?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Law_of_Attraction

[Dion]

Originally Posted by Traditional_Ale

If he wants a jet bad enough, and visualizes it with a positive attitude all the time, he will most certainly realize it.

Bill Gates probably was doing the same thing and look where it got him today.

[Galakanokis]

Personally, I have just kind of winged things. Never really had much of a plan in place.

I knew I wasn't cut out for University or much of a post secondary education as I couldn't stand school. Always did well which is what drove my parents crazy. I just wanted to get in and get out and hoped to make enough money to be able to buy beer. Actually that was my plan, make money to buy beer and more beer.

But life got in the way of that plan, namely a girl. So now instead of working for beer I now work to provide for my family. Do I enjoy it? Sure it is a good job that pays well but work is a means to an end.

I am all for plans and future considerations but don't let that stuff get in the way of what could be standing right in front of you, namely a girl with a beautiful smile, cute butt and the most amazing blue eyes...

[DESS]

Dude, will you please put this in perspective? An unemployed guy is flapping his gums about buying a private jet in less than a decade. And maybe you should read your own link. Seriously, this is getting more and more ######ed.

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[Phanuthier]

I guess on that topic, its not uncommon to see a lot of young (i.e. < 40 years old) millionairs out there these days. Its definitely going to take a great deal of intelligence, opportunity, effort and luck, but going back to page 1, I talk about being a "A" quality worker that I would like to try and strive for, and that is sort of my (current) plan.

While it does sound like I do have non/after graduation goals and steps to get there, I guess I'm going to miss the definite direct goals school has to offer, whereas post-graduation ones are a little more vague, which is what makes it scary.

[Traditional_Ale]

Originally Posted by Dion

Bill Gates probably was doing the same thing and look where it got him today.

Especially in the face of all his peers calling him crazy and his ideas impossible. Thats called sticking to your guns, big time.

That, and me made everyone who works for him rich. He paid his first employee twice as much as he was paying himself. Inspired true company loyalty.

[Phanuthier]

Originally Posted by Dion

Bill Gates probably was doing the same thing and look where it got him today.

Well as you probably know, Dion, Gates is somewhat of a role model for me, and not just his entrepreneurship.

DESS - how do you know that what I'm doing right now, isn't part of the plan? Just cause I'm unemployed, doesn't mean I'm not (1) generating cash flow, and (2) setting up the groundwork for the competitive advantage of my black box extravagant gazzilion dollar idea?

[Traditional_Ale]

Originally Posted by DESS

Dude, will you please put this in perspective? An unemployed guy is flapping his gums about buying a private jet in less than a decade. And maybe you should read your own link. Seriously, this is getting more and more ######ed.

[/indent]

Um, Jim Carey was broke as a joke with his family living in a van, wrote himself a cheque for a million dollars and stayed positive while visualizing being a successful comic and actor. One year later he cashed that cheque.

But more importantly, what are you getting at besides attack my post, the OP, calling it all absured, and then throwing a quote from the Law of Attraction page on wiki in my face? Do you have anything to contribute besides calling us things like absurd?

[DESS]

Originally Posted by Phanuthier

DESS - how do you know that what I'm doing right now, isn't part of the plan? Just cause I'm unemployed, doesn't mean I'm not (1) generating cash flow, and (2) setting up the groundwork for the competitive advantage of my black box extravagant gazzilion dollar idea?

I don't know that. I've asked you multiple times how you plan to buy a jet. I don't find it interesting that you want one. What interests me is how you plan to get one. It is obvious at this point you have no plan, which is what makes me laugh at your "goal."

Originally Posted by Traditional_Ale

Um, Jim Carey was broke as a joke with his family living in a van, wrote himself a cheque for a million dollars and stayed positive while visualizing being a successful comic and actor. One year later he cashed that cheque.

But more importantly, what are you getting at besides attack my post, the OP, calling it all absured, and then throwing a quote from the Law of Attraction page on wiki in my face? Do you have anything to contribute besides calling us things like absurd?

I was throwing a quote in your face off the page that you linked me to. I was disproving you by using you as a source. lol

Yes we all know the Jim Carey story, but what you guys keep dismissing is Gates, Carey, etc. all had a plan to achieve their goal. P just has a goal. It is a monumental difference that is at the crux of this whole thing. The fact that you can't see that is troubling.

[fatso]

Originally Posted by DESS

Dude, will you please put this in perspective? An unemployed guy is flapping his gums about buying a private jet in less than a decade. And maybe you should read your own link. Seriously, this is getting more and more ######ed.

[/indent]

Dess, can you just shut up or log off now? You've made your point about 'la la land' and the unemployed dreamer already.

The only person 'flapping gums' about the jet is you. It was one sentence by the OP... maybe it is unrealistic, but in the overall context of the thread - and the other contributors - who cares? This has been a very interesting thread with some well thought-out responses, I can't be alone in wanting it to continue in that direction.

[Phanuthier]

Originally Posted by DESS

I don't know that. I've asked you multiple times how you plan to buy a jet. I don't find it interesting that you want one. What interests me is how you plan to get one. It is obvious at this point you have no plan, which is what makes me laugh at your "goal."

Oh, don't worry about it. I do have a plan, Dion is one of the ones that knows. From my periodic facebook posts, a few here might know too if they put a few pieces together.

But anyways, the thread was more about life after university and what gets people out of bed, so I'd rather see what people have to say to that.

[DESS]

Originally Posted by fatso

Dess, can you just shut up or log off now? You've made your point about 'la la land' and the unemployed dreamer already.

The only person 'flapping gums' about the jet is you. It was one sentence by the OP... maybe it is unrealistic, but in the overall context of the thread - and the other contributors - who cares? This has been a very interesting thread with some well thought-out responses, I can't be alone in wanting it to continue in that direction.

Well Fatso, there are about four or five of us discussing this. It is obvious what side of the debate you fall on considering you just asked me to cool it, but why not ask everyone to do the same? I am replying to their posts, not instigating.

And guess what, conversations are organic. You don't like the way this one went? Tough crap. Man up and try to bring it back into line instead of asking somebody in the middle of a debate to shut his mouth.

[Dion]

Originally Posted by DESS

Well Fatso, there are about four or five of us discussing this.

All you've done is mocked and ridiculed the OP for his views. Doesn't sound to me like you're making any positive contributions to this thread.

[DESS]

Originally Posted by Dion

All you've done is mocked and ridiculed the OP for his views. Doesn't sound to me like you're making any positive contributions to this thread.

As usual, you're wrong. See page 1:

Originally Posted by DESS

Yeah OP you're in a pretty critical stage of life right now. There are some inevitable realities I see coming though given what you said about wanting to find a girl to marry. By the time you're 27 or 28 at about the latest, you'll sucumb to the personal and private pressure to marry her. Within a couple of years she'll be pregnant. You'll need a house with a few rooms in a family-type neighbourhood (read: burbs). You'll need a full-time job that kicks out a reasonable amount of cash to support all this. Boom, you're one of us LOL.

If you want a bit of advice from your old pal DESS, do yourself a favour and pick up a short little book called The Millionaire Next Door. After five years in the proffessional 9-5 type world (which for me was more like 7am - 10pm on a short day) I walked away, borrowed some money on top of what I had saved and bought a small business. Best thing I ever did. In over three years at my new venture I've missed supper with my family just 2 times. I've set stuff up in such a way that I work virtually no OT and I never work weekends, leaving me lots of time for more important things like personal relationships. Sounds to me like this less conventional path me work better for your personality and you'll always have your degrees to fall back on which is good insurance.

When you own your own business you can control so much more in your life. I'm 32 right now and I plan to go down to a four day work week at 40 and a three day week at 45. Also, with all the tax benefits, write offs, etc., I'm making about double what I made working for a corporation in less than half the hours.