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Old 06-01-2009, 09:50 PM   #101
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LOL. Mel with another good sig.
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Old 06-01-2009, 10:31 PM   #102
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Not the thread to mention that.
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Old 06-01-2009, 10:52 PM   #103
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Not the thread to mention that.
I was not aware there were rules in place for that. Either way, it doesn't matter. Lets not derail the thread.

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I wonder if they still had to pay the landing fees?
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Old 06-01-2009, 11:53 PM   #106
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Not the thread to mention that.

HOOT was not aware there were rules in place for that. Either way, it doesn't matter. Lets not derail the thread.
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Old 06-02-2009, 12:13 AM   #108
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If ATC lost them on radar over the ocean I'd certainly buy the possibility of system failure (because they can't track their height) especially if they were flying instrument only and no visibility due to storms in the area, if the altimeter was failing they would believe they are flying at a set height but in fact were descending and then suddenly ocean.
Why are there no analog instruments anymore? Are all planes fully glass cockpits?
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Old 06-02-2009, 12:14 AM   #109
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Not the thread to mention that.
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Old 06-02-2009, 12:20 AM   #111
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Too soon? Come on lighten up people...
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http://english.aljazeera.net/news/am...235447714.html

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Pilots from Brazil's largest airline have spotted what appeared to be fire in the Atlantic ocean, along the route of an Air France jet that disappeared more than 24 hours ago.
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I would say they HAD spotted fire... they are just now reporting it.
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CNN is now reporting that floating debris and seats have been spotted in the search area.
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CNN is now reporting that floating debris and seats have been spotted in the search area.
Well at least now that they've found the general crash area, it may give them a better chance to figure out what actually happened to bring the plane down.
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CNN is now reporting that floating debris and seats have been spotted in the search area.
Now they can go about the process of finding the black boxes - which will tell us what happened to the plane.
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Now they can go about the process of finding the black boxes - which will tell us what happened to the plane.
Unless the electrical failures knocked out the ability for any information to be sent to them. Wouldn't be the first time this has happened.

Edit: According to some other forums it seems as though Air France has received more ACAR's messages than the have released. Those messages plus any information the CVR and FDR could provide would definitely help to get an understanding of what happened.
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Why are there no analog instruments anymore? Are all planes fully glass cockpits?
From what I have heard, over the ocean, at night, in a storm is one of the hardest places to fly. No horizon to get your bearings, being buffeted so it tough to get level, wind shear and gusts so your relative bearing may be totally off course. Instruments give honest feedback when the human senses can be easily fooled.

A university buddy flies in military. He told me once that while he was training there was one test where he had to fly with a special hood on so that he could not see outside the cockpit - everything was done by instruments. While he was doing his test, the instructor told him he wasn't supposed to do this, but for a moment, remove the hood.

He pulled back the hood, but it didn't matter. They were flying through a cloud bank that made visibility nil. And while he always knew that what what this training was about, when you are only a couple hundred feet above the ground and see how really bad it can be it really reaffirms how vital instrumentation is in any aircraft.
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I'm surprised that none of the GPS companies have come up with something that they can retrofit into an airplane. Some kind of black box type thing that has an indestructible GPS beacon that'll pinpoint plane locations. Guaranteed the airlines would be buying it and putting it on their planes.
When tragedy like this happens, you can bet that nobody will be happier to find the wreckage than the airline.
Well if they crash into water, it won't work, because the emitting signal won't be detected from much depth under water.
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Ya that plane prolly nosedived from its cruising altitude, its in a million different pieces
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