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Old 06-01-2009, 03:11 PM   #61
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Why don't they have real time inflight cameras connected wirelessly so we can see what happens in these events?
Would require a sat-link and that would be pretty pricey, especially for streaming video.
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Old 06-01-2009, 03:12 PM   #62
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I wonder if airplane mechanics ever get blamed for showing up to work hungover or for simply having shoddy workmanship that results in catastrophic consequences.
You bet! Accountability is HUGE in aviation.
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Old 06-01-2009, 03:14 PM   #63
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Would require a sat-link and that would be pretty pricey, especially for streaming video.
I don't think it would cost that much, would it? I mean we have satallite on west jet.
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Old 06-01-2009, 03:15 PM   #64
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I wonder if airplane mechanics ever get blamed for showing up to work hungover or for simply having shoddy workmanship that results in catastrophic consequences.
Yes sometimes they are put on trial for murder.
Problem is when an airplane goes down, it usually not one single thing that takes a plane down, but a multitude of reasons.
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Old 06-01-2009, 03:15 PM   #65
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12 days until I cross the Pacific in an Airbus A330-300. I don't have a problem flying, but this news doesn't exactly have me jumping for joy.

I've only ever flown over water over the gulf of Mexico. So not that long. Now I basically have 10 hours of flight over the ocean. Yaaay.

That would probably be one of the worst ways to die. A few minutes (i'm guessing) of sheer terror. Not a good way to end it.

Don't think it's the dead part that worries most people, it's the events that lead up to death that suck.

Condolences to the family.

Maybe I should think about what I would do in that eventuality. Make a playlist on my ipod of music I want to go out to. have that blaring full blast and maybe make a deal with the hot chick sitting next to me that we should get it on in that situation. Plus beer and sandwiches. But maybe that situation would be so scary I would be limp out of fear. Better remember to bring 20 viagra to pop.
I'm flying over the Pacific from Sydney to San Francisco in about 6 hours. I'm still going to enjoy the flight but the thought will definitely be at the back of my mind.
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Old 06-01-2009, 03:18 PM   #66
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I don't want to jump on the mystery bandwagon but I too do not buy the lightning theory, large commercial aircraft are built to take a lot of hits, wind shear however is very possible but it would have to be very extreme, as in tear the aircraft apart. I hope some answers will come out of this because it sure is a mystery to me.
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I guess you learn something new every day. I never knew the plane communicated with company mtce computers like that. Must be an airbus thing.

Must have been some sort of engine failure.
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Old 06-01-2009, 03:28 PM   #68
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Generators need fuel, so what happens if there is no fuel? That's where those little propellers come in.
I was thinking that you would have either a seperate tank for the generator, or even a different fuel source. Just because 2 out of the 3 Mayday episodes I've seen where they lose engine power it's because they ran out of fuel.
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That TERRIFIED me when I was a child.
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Old 06-01-2009, 03:47 PM   #70
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I don't think it would cost that much, would it? I mean we have satallite on west jet.
It cuts out when you get a certain distance away from land. Or at least, this is what happened when we flew Westjet to Hawaii. The satellite only works for an hour or so over the ocean then they lose the feed.

I'm personally a little surprised that nobody tracks these planes on radar over the atlantic?? Or is that the same as satellite? Sorry I honestly don't know the answer to that question. But anyways, it seems a little weird that they just leave them on their own over the Atlantic and then when they get within a certain distance to land they track them again?
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I don't think it would cost that much, would it? I mean we have satallite on west jet.
Except you're only receiving Satellite Signal when you're on WJA... you're not sending anything.
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Old 06-01-2009, 03:48 PM   #72
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Why don't they have real time inflight cameras connected wirelessly so we can see what happens in these events?
Or a GPS transmitter that could track the last location.
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I am not 100% sure, but I dont believe fuel powered generators are used. Most "fuel" that aircraft systems use comes in the form electricity being created by the Engine itself. Usually bleed air runs a turbine I believe.

I dont believe its the case that there are gas fueled generators in the aircraft. Yes its a single point of failure, but if your engines die, you are likely dead and no backup system is of much use.
From the Air Transat glide flight which also was a A330.
On the Airbus A330, an emergency ram air turbine is deployed automatically to provide essential power for sensors and instruments to fly the aircraft.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Air_Transat_Flight_236

Makes you wonder if there was any glide time and if so why there was no communication during that time?
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Except you're only receiving Satellite Signal when you're on WJA... you're not sending anything.
Ya I know, but I dn't think it would realy be that much more money to send it. It's notlike it has to be in High Def or anything.
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Except you're only receiving Satellite Signal when you're on WJA... you're not sending anything.
And you don't even receive it for the whole time you're flying over the ocean.
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If we rule out serious mtce issues, and aircraft specific mtce problems...

I am beginning to think it was some sort of explosion. Maybe O2 tank in front baggage compartment blew the door off and it impacted with the engine.

I cannot think of much else that could have happened that they wouldnt have called flight mtce ops at CDG about. This likey happened very fast. Weather probably added to confusion, but I cannot see how that was the cause.

Its not unusual to get no pilot chatter if its a very sudden issue, but a prolonged issue, they would have called home about to speak with a mtce person.

Well its home time. its too bad this occured.
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So I found this tidbit on FlightAware

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UPDATE: 11:40pm EDT: The French government has requested assistance from the US in hopes that US spy satellites and listening stations could help find the aircraft.
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Old 06-01-2009, 04:19 PM   #78
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If ATC lost them on radar over the ocean I'd certainly buy the possibility of system failure (because they can't track their height) especially if they were flying instrument only and no visibility due to storms in the area, if the altimeter was failing they would believe they are flying at a set height but in fact were descending and then suddenly ocean.
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I'm surprised that the sosus sensor net didn't pick anything up.

you'd think at the very least they'd hear the sounds of the plane breaking up when it hit the water.
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