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[DESS]

My point exactly.

[ok, ok,....I get it]

Originally Posted by DESS

My point exactly.

[DESS]

Are you having fun following me around naysaying anything I post? lol

[JiriHrdina]

Originally Posted by DESS

Are you having fun following me around naysaying anything I post? lol

Take it to PM.

[Flames89]

I support the troops, but that does not mean I have to find the above video remotely interesting, noteworthy, or newsworthy (though that is not an issue here, as it was on Fox Sunday).

[Flashpoint]

I have mixed feelings. I feel bad for the families, particularly those that lose someone. I have to ask if the war in Iraq is anything but a waste of human lives. It certainly has nothing to do with protecting freedom. Afghanistan on the other hand at least has the argument of trying to eliminate those responsible for 911.

It was a good tribute to military families either way I guess. Especially considering the source.

[Hemi-Cuda]

Originally Posted by Dion

It was aired on Fox News Sunday.

Fox News is not a real news network

[metallicat]

Originally Posted by Tower

It may seem cold or callous but I'll start feeling sympathy for our soldiers when they start protecting and fighting for International Human Rights instead of control over oil rights or other securities.

So when they start reducing famine in Africa, and build hospitals and water stations without wanting something in return. Or Sri Lanka, or other countries where it is less about control of financial properties and more about helping fellow human beings.

Very few will agree with me, but that's whats great. You and I don't have to agree.

However I grieve for the families...

Soldiers don't get to choose what they fight for. Well actually, I think they're fighting for the uniforms on their backs and those of their fellow servicemen and women. If you don't like the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, fine. Blame the politicians. But I think choosing to not respect the soldiers directly is narrow sighted.

Further to that, I think there ARE militaries that do things like build schools and protect human rights. In fact I'm sure that stuff is going on in both Iraq and Afghanistan.

[Tower]

Originally Posted by oilers_fan

Soldiers don't get to choose what they fight for. Well actually, I think they're fighting for the uniforms on their backs and those of their fellow servicemen and women. If you don't like the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, fine. Blame the politicians. But I think choosing to not respect the soldiers directly is narrow sighted.

Further to that, I think there ARE militaries that do things like build schools and protect human rights. In fact I'm sure that stuff is going on in both Iraq and Afghanistan.

I used to have that same form of thinking on this issue.

Soldiers do have a choice and they can choose not to serve the peace of crap wars like the middle east. Therefore I do not have feelings for them. It is their choice. (We can get into debates about how they don't own themselves but but I do not want to derail the thread. I can get suckered in waaaaay to easy. )
They have to build those hospitals because it would be in-humane to bomb and leave. They should rebuild what the coalition brought down.

Now do all that building in places that need it (Eg - Africa) just as much but don't currently have the means to pay back... (As in Agriculture or education not monetary payment) You get my SUPERHERO vote. Heck I'd enlist for that.

About this video - kudos for getting noticed kid! Now don't get typecast doing sappy military stuff and branch out while the spotlight is on you!

[Displaced Flames fan]

Originally Posted by Tower

I used to have that same form of thinking on this issue.

Soldiers do have a choice and they can choose not to serve the peace of crap wars like the middle east. Therefore I do not have feelings for them. It is their choice. (We can get into debates about how they don't own themselves but but I do not want to derail the thread. I can get suckered in waaaaay to easy. )
They have to build those hospitals because it would be in-humane to bomb and leave. They should rebuild what the coalition brought down.

Now do all that building in places that need it (Eg - Africa) just as much but don't currently have the means to pay back... (As in Agriculture or education not monetary payment) You get my SUPERHERO vote. Heck I'd enlist for that.

About this video - kudos for getting noticed kid! Now don't get typecast doing sappy military stuff and branch out while the spotlight is on you!

I'm pretty sure it's you who is trying to sucker many of us into that debate.


and for the second highlighted phrase, I seriously doubt that.

[Displaced Flames fan]

Originally Posted by Hemi-Cuda

Fox News is not a real news network

Therefore nothing aired on it can be true or noteworthy....at all. Nothing.

[DESS]

Originally Posted by Displaced Flames fan

Therefore nothing aired on it can be true or noteworthy....at all. Nothing.

Well this video isn't news and it's not noteworthy so it kind of proves his point.

[Tower]

Originally Posted by Displaced Flames fan

I'm pretty sure it's you who is trying to sucker many of us into that debate.


and for the second highlighted phrase, I seriously doubt that.

Just finished saying the opposite.

You are entitled to your opinion, and I will fight to the death to defend such opinions you may have.

But some of the shots in the vedeo mentioned has good timing and music.

[Dion]

[Mean Mr. Mustard]

Originally Posted by Tower

I used to have that same form of thinking on this issue.

Soldiers do have a choice and they can choose not to serve the peace of crap wars like the middle east. Therefore I do not have feelings for them. It is their choice. (We can get into debates about how they don't own themselves but but I do not want to derail the thread. I can get suckered in waaaaay to easy. )
They have to build those hospitals because it would be in-humane to bomb and leave. They should rebuild what the coalition brought down.

Now do all that building in places that need it (Eg - Africa) just as much but don't currently have the means to pay back... (As in Agriculture or education not monetary payment) You get my SUPERHERO vote. Heck I'd enlist for that.

About this video - kudos for getting noticed kid! Now don't get typecast doing sappy military stuff and branch out while the spotlight is on you!

It would be in-humane to bomb and leave? Look at the recent histoy of Afghanistan, the Soviet invasion was one in which they bombed and then left. Canada and the other Nato countries in Afghanistan right now are the only forces which have actually put an effort into rebuilding the ruins of a country. And you criticize them for doing so because they are not helping everywhere in the world? Who decides which countries should be helped and which shouldn't be? Are the people of Afghanistan any less deserving of a well than someone in Africa?

I keep hearing about how the USA shouldn't act as a world policeman, but then whenever they don't do anything they are criticized all the same. They are in a no win situation, where if they do help, they are seen as invaders but when don't they are monsters for not doing so and have no social conscience? People look at George W. Bush as a war mongerer, but don't pay any attention to the money he put into helping developing nations in the form of monetary aid.

Plus, while I haven't been overseas, things get more complicated when there are rounds being fired at you from everyone I have talked to, so while your noble attitude to joining the army is good natured, at the same time I have the feeling it is full of crap.

[Displaced Flames fan]

Originally Posted by DESS

Well this video isn't news and it's not noteworthy so it kind of proves his point.

Not really.

[Displaced Flames fan]

Originally Posted by Tower

Just finished saying the opposite.

You are entitled to your opinion, and I will fight to the death to defend such opinions you may have.

But some of the shots in the vedeo mentioned has good timing and music.

That's twice you've intimated this now, and I don't think I'm the only person here who thinks you are completely full of when you say it.

[metallicat]

I don't think one has to join the military to go abroad to build houses and schools. Red Cross? Someone must do it. Get him an application.

[HPLovecraft]

Hate to have one of you ######bags get a family member enrolled in the military and have them end up shot to death in some sh**hole alone and wounded. Have fun spouting your ridiculous internet nonsense while you're doing the eulogy.

Disclaimer: This is only meant for the turd burglars. You know who you are.

[metallicat]

Originally Posted by HPLovecraft

Hate to have one of you ######bags get a family member enrolled in the military and have them end up shot to death in some sh**hole alone and wounded. Have fun spouting your ridiculous internet nonsense while you're doing the eulogy.

Disclaimer: This is only meant for the turd burglars. You know who you are.

This sort of thing bugs me too. What are we supposed to do? Disband all militaries? These guys volunteered for the service, it's not like they're forced. I don't say that to be insensitive, it's just the truth. They knew what they were getting into.

Of course it sucks when they die, and it's terrible for the families. Don't try to spin this.

And by the way, I've had family members in the military. Like most of you probably, some served in WWII. I am immensely proud to be able to say that, and I wish I knew more about it and them before they passed away.