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flames_fan_down_under · 05-20-2009, 05:51 PM

2 on for V.W. 2 out, what will he do?

Flies out, colour me shocked.

Ziggy Lidstrom · 05-20-2009, 05:54 PM

Vernon isn't Well. Wow, no patience right there. He sees a fastball sure, but how many times is he popping it up with risp? Man, we need hits like that if we are going to prove to the world that we are for real. Especially vs the Red Sox...Then what happens? Varitek laces one over the monster. 1-0. Shaizer!

Plus these broadcasters at NESN know less than nothing about the jays.

EN FUEGO · 05-20-2009, 06:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Sylvanfan

I've been swayed to think more along the lines of On Base and Slugging % verses a players batting average. Marco Scutaro hitting .275 with a .470 slugging percentage and .400 on base is doing the Jays more use than a guy who hits 300 with a 350 on base and 390 slugging would.

Rios and Wells both need to get their on base and slugging numbers up. At least a guy like Overbay is posting a .350 on base and close to .500 slugging. I can tolerate him batting 247 or whatever if those other numbers are there. But Wells .320 on base and like .430 slugging...no good.

I agree......it's just that everyone on here has been complaining about his batting average so far this season. A .750 OPS (on-base plus slugging percentage), though, is right around his average of .774 for April. His career OPS for July? .909, and it gradually steps up until that point and then falls way off to around .750 after. I'm not advocating the big contract given to Wells, I just think that his numbers so far this year are par for the course, and that he'll start tearing it up, hopefully tonight. We all need to hope for a statistical anomaly for the Aug./Sep. period if the Jays want to make the playoffs IMO.

Machiavelli · 05-20-2009, 06:30 PM

Did Wakefield screw with these guys' timing or something?

Pretty awful hitting (or lack of, I should say) again tonight.

Tyler · 05-20-2009, 06:39 PM

Guess we're starting to find the answer to whether or not the Jays are for real or just pretenders this year.

Machiavelli · 05-20-2009, 06:42 PM

Cecil gave up Ortiz's first home run of the season.

Ziggy Lidstrom · 05-20-2009, 06:49 PM

And then 2 more in the same inning.

Wow, I don't think you can say a 2-1 loss to a knuckleballer and then this loss on the back of green rookie are the factor to decide whether or not the jays are pretending or for real.

The one thing that is a glaring difference in the two teams is the power the one team possesses. The jays, just don't have a lot of HR power and I guess Theo Epstein spent the hundreds of millions at his disposal well.

I hope they are happy raking on a rookie pitcher. I would like to see them play Doc and have their broadcasters talk like this.

Another thing, this is the type of win all the sports networks will be leading off their skeds with. Sure they would never give any praise to the jays, but one bad loss will get them in lineup if it comes at the hands of america's other favourite team.

tanguay'sstillgood · 05-20-2009, 07:06 PM

How irritating is this colour guy? Of course you haven't heard of any of the Jays pitchers, you obviously have never watched a Jays game. Damn, I want Jamie Campbell.

habernac · 05-20-2009, 07:11 PM

I'm torn. Varitek started for me today in my pool.

KTown · 05-20-2009, 07:54 PM

I think we can say with that performance Cecil will be heading back to the minors now that I hear Jansen is ready to come up.

GirlySports · 05-20-2009, 08:56 PM

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I think we can say with that performance Cecil will be heading back to the minors now that I hear Jansen is ready to come up.

It's like a season of Survivor and Cecil's performance will get him kicked off the island.

phiten · 05-20-2009, 09:11 PM

That colour guy is a joke, he is a fill in right ?

JayP · 05-20-2009, 09:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Tyler

Guess we're starting to find the answer to whether or not the Jays are for real or just pretenders this year.

And if Halladay was on the mound the Jays would be contenders right now then?

Baseball is too dependent on who's the starting pitcher to make judgements off of one series.

Machiavelli · 05-20-2009, 09:19 PM

They're rolling over in this series. Kind of disturbing to watch.

Not having the Jays broadcast just makes it that much worse.

JayP · 05-20-2009, 09:24 PM

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Originally Posted by GirlySports

It's like a season of Survivor and Cecil's performance will get him kicked off the island.

Nothing wrong with that.

The Jays have been way too slow to pull the plug on their depth starters the past few years. Rather than give starts to fringe starts to those Towers, Ohka, Burres etc. type guys the Jays are more proactive in replacing them after 1 or 2 bad outings instead of giving them 7-10 starts and hope they figure it all out.

Cecil probably goes down in favor of Janssen or Romero and Ray will too his first bad start. I'm sure Cecil will be back up this year though.

JayP · 05-20-2009, 09:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Machiavelli

They're rolling over in this series. Kind of disturbing to watch.

They need a guy like Wells to actually come up with a big hit at some point. He gets in a single and drives in those 2 runs in the 3rd or 4th and it's a whole different game.

Tonight was precisely why Wells isn't worth that money even if he's having a good year. He goes 0-2 when the game is close and then 3-3 when the Red Sox start running away with it. I think stats in RISP, etc. are mostly meaningless due to small sample sizes, but Wells has been poor in those sorts of situations his whole career. That's especially bad for a guy who's typically a high average, but poor OBP guy. The advantage of high average guys is that singles drive home runs, but walks don't, but Wells doesn't even do that well.

Tyler · 05-20-2009, 09:53 PM

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Originally Posted by JayP

And if Halladay was on the mound the Jays would be contenders right now then?

Baseball is too dependent on who's the starting pitcher to make judgements off of one series.

The problem is we've only got on Doc.

Our pitching excelled for awhile there, but I don't think we have the bodies to hold off the surging Sox and Yanks forever.

Ziggy Lidstrom · 05-20-2009, 09:57 PM

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Originally Posted by JayP

They need a guy like Wells to actually come up with a big hit at some point. He gets in a single and drives in those 2 runs in the 3rd or 4th and it's a whole different game.

Tonight was precisely why Wells isn't worth that money even if he's having a good year. He goes 0-2 when the game is close and then 3-3 when the Red Sox start running away with it. I think stats in RISP, etc. are mostly meaningless due to small sample sizes, but Wells has been poor in those sorts of situations his whole career. That's especially bad for a guy who's typically a high average, but poor OBP guy. The advantage of high average guys is that singles drive home runs, but walks don't, but Wells doesn't even do that well.

It's frustrating isn't it? But I totally agree JP. I was real disappointed with wells in that 3rd inning there. We were getting to Penny by being patient and then hitting him when he went inside. Wells should have known to be aware of the entire situation: At Fenway, Rookie visiting pitcher, A full Sox lineup... You gotta zone in, instead of popping up in the infield on the first freakin' pitch! If you get those runs does that 4th inning happen? No, but those are the breaks along with Cecil nearly breaking his right shoulder trying to dive for a bunt. I applaud the effort kid, but you're position is the most violent action in sports outside football, pace yourself rookie.

Does anyone think that Cito left Cecil in there during the shelling, to teach him a lesson? I think Cito wanted Cecil to remember this one and the bitterness he presently tastes. I know Cecil will be ready for that vaunted line-up the next time, and for the rest of his career(fingers croxxed).

Saint Troy · 05-20-2009, 09:57 PM

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Originally Posted by phiten

That colour guy is a joke, he is a fill in right ?

Nope, Dennis Eckersley former Red Sox, current mullet wearer. I actually get a kick out of him, he sounds like he's watching the game from the dugout, though he is a massive homer.

moon · 05-20-2009, 10:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Ziggy Lidstrom

Plus these broadcasters at NESN know less than nothing about the jays.

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Originally Posted by tanguay'sstillgood

How irritating is this colour guy? Of course you haven't heard of any of the Jays pitchers, you obviously have never watched a Jays game. Damn, I want Jamie Campbell.

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Originally Posted by phiten

That colour guy is a joke, he is a fill in right ?

Perhaps Jays fans now get a sense of how difficult it is listening to Jays Broadcasts with Jamie Campbell and whatever former Jays loser they have in the booth. Throw in Mike Wilner and it is almost impossible to follow the Jays unless you are a big fan of the team.