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Gozer · 05-14-2009, 04:51 PM

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Originally Posted by fredr123

Who knows. Seems unnecessary from the video but...

If the kid was saying "Eff your mamma you fat pig! Tell your sister she left her purse at my house last night you stupid porker!"

And the cop was all like "Get on the ground! Spread your arms! Turn your head! Shut up!"

And the kid kept beaking off like "You got nothing on me! I'll be out by tonight and then I'll come by your house and give your ol' lady another go."

Then I can see the kick as being completely warranted.

Just for the record, that is not my "defense."

If he lost his temper and booted the guy, yeah he should be punished. But if the guy was running around back with a gun (and the cops were talking about it on the radio) and he stashed the gun somewhere, booting the guy is part of defending yourself from him.

Blaster86 · 05-14-2009, 04:51 PM

Hope that cop has a good resume and likes late nights infront of malls.

kermitology · 05-14-2009, 04:52 PM

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Originally Posted by fredr123

Who knows. Seems unnecessary from the video but...

If the kid was saying "Eff your mamma you fat pig! Tell your sister she left her purse at my house last night you stupid porker!"

And the cop was all like "Get on the ground! Spread your arms! Turn your head! Shut up!"

And the kid kept beaking off like "You got nothing on me! I'll be out by tonight and then I'll come by your house and give your ol' lady another go."

Then I can see the kick as being completely warranted.

What if the suspect was a woman? Would it still be OK to boot her in the face?

Who cares if he's saying anything to the cop, the cop doesn't have the right to kick him in the face regardless of what nasty words he may have said were.

Tower · 05-14-2009, 04:52 PM

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Originally Posted by fredr123

Who knows. Seems unnecessary from the video but...

If the kid was saying "Eff your mamma you fat pig! Tell your sister she left her purse at my house last night you stupid porker!"

And the cop was all like "Get on the ground! Spread your arms! Turn your head! Shut up!"

And the kid kept beaking off like "You got nothing on me! I'll be out by tonight and then I'll come by your house and give your ol' lady another go."

Then I can see the kick as being completely warranted.

Nope not warranted. "I'll kill you pig!" and then no. That is a threat of physical harm upon a human being and subject to the laws that are bound to you living in that country. and he would also be tried for that.

"Give it another go" is not explicit enough.

metallicat · 05-14-2009, 04:53 PM

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Originally Posted by BlackEleven

If you're going to play that card, it has to go both ways. If you can't blame the police because you don't know the circumstances, then you can't blame the suspect either.

Yup, I said that in a previous post as well. But you rarely see it from the regular anti-police guys here, so I am just throwing my opinion out there as well. I virtually ALWAYS take the side of the police until I hear otherwise. To me, they are more trustworthy than some random criminal.

Gozer · 05-14-2009, 04:54 PM

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Originally Posted by kermitology

Can I go ahead and ask you to stop this hyperbole right here?

Won't somebody think of the .... blast!

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Originally Posted by kermitology

The suspect is obviously rightfully charged with some crime. But what is in question is whether or not the police officer is justified in kicking the suspect in the head after the suspect has given up his flee from the law.

The former is debatable, maybe dude was innocent.
But, maybe dude was not done fleeing, he was just playing possum.
Maybe works on both sides here.

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Originally Posted by kermitology

To me, this is a case where the cop is not able to justify kicking him in the head. The guy is on the ground, the cop has his gun drawn. If the suspect attempts anything else at this point he's going to be shot. So what purpose does the kick in the head give? It's just sweet revenge for making the cops run/chase him.

Yeah right, if dude got up to run - and this cop shot him - what would you be saying right now?

You Need a Thneed · 05-14-2009, 04:54 PM

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Originally Posted by jar_e

I find it interesting the cop had his gun out during the pursuit. That would make me believe that there was some sort of weapon involved with the call and that it was possible the kid may still have it. In that case, it doesn't justify a kick to a head, but it would justify being physical with this guy and restraining him after he had lied down.

Exactly what I was getting at too, a kick to the head may not have been necessary, but if the cops believe the guy has a gun on him, or even close to him, that could be grabbed after the police get on top of him, or something to that effect, some kind of additional force would have been required.

The question is whether the kick to the head is way over the line of what was necessary, or possibly JUST over the line. In the heat of an emotional car chases with other people put in danger, you can't exactly blame a cop for going a little bit over the line - and especially with someone who had resisted arrest, and probobly did something even worse beforehand.

Frankly, if you are going to make the cops chase you like that, you open yourself to recieving treatment that's over the top when the cops do get you, because well, the cops don't know exactly how much force is going to be required, and they are forced to use force at the high end of the scale.

Also, perhaps they had reason to believe the guy was high, or in some other condition that could make subduing him an extra tricky scenario.

jayswin · 05-14-2009, 04:56 PM

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Originally Posted by oilers_fan

Well, he is right. But I'm not going to just let another CP anti-police thread go by without throwing in my two cents worth of pro-police comments.

Anti-police? That's very assuming. I'm pro-police, but just decided to give my two cets based on that video. Saying that a video appears to show a cop over step his bounds, doesn't make one "anti-police".

Tower · 05-14-2009, 04:58 PM

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Originally Posted by oilers_fan

Yup, I said that in a previous post as well. But you rarely see it from the regular anti-police guys here, so I am just throwing my opinion out there as well. I virtually ALWAYS take the side of the police until I hear otherwise. To me, they are more trustworthy than some random criminal.

I'm pro peace officer - not pro policy officer. I'm pro protect the people. Not pro assault then ask questions.

metallicat · 05-14-2009, 05:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Tower

I'm pro peace officer - not pro policy officer. I'm pro protect the people. Not pro assault then ask questions.

Fair enough. I'm anti-criminal.

hewitt99 · 05-14-2009, 05:00 PM

If the police have to come get you, they are bringing an asskicking with them. Maybe he should have watched the Chris Rock video.

kermitology · 05-14-2009, 05:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Gozer

Won't somebody think of the .... blast!

The former is debatable, maybe dude was innocent.
But, maybe dude was not done fleeing, he was just playing possum.
Maybe works on both sides here.

Yeah right, if dude got up to run - and this cop shot him - what would you be saying right now?

The guy is clearly guilty of some traffic violations at minimum, so no he's not innocent. Where is he going to go? The suspect is cornered, the cop is clearly in a position to take control of the situation.

If the suspect was playing possum and got up to lunge at the cop, well, in that case he's got making a case for the cop to be justified in firing his weapon.

This isn't a blind case of pro/anti cop sentiment, it's what is the justifiable action in this situation given the evidence we have. I see zero reason for a kick to the face being an appropriate response from the cop.

Dion · 05-14-2009, 05:04 PM

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Originally Posted by oilers_fan

Yup, I said that in a previous post as well. But you rarely see it from the regular anti-police guys here, so I am just throwing my opinion out there as well. I virtually ALWAYS take the side of the police until I hear otherwise. To me, they are more trustworthy than some random criminal.

More trustworthy? It's the video were talking about. Not some words from a criminal!

It's not a case of the police saying this and the criminal saying that.

Tower · 05-14-2009, 05:10 PM

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Originally Posted by oilers_fan

Fair enough. I'm anti-criminal.

Define criminal?

Gozer · 05-14-2009, 05:10 PM

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Originally Posted by kermitology

The guy is clearly guilty of some traffic violations at minimum, so no he's not innocent. Where is he going to go? The suspect is cornered, the cop is clearly in a position to take control of the situation.

Agreed, I'm just speculating. Maybe he gunned down a bunch of kids and he deserves a medal for restraint. *note; absurd hypothetical, not fact*

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Originally Posted by kermitology

If the suspect was playing possum and got up to lunge at the cop, well, in that case he's got making a case for the cop to be justified in firing his weapon.

In that scenario, booting the kid might save his life.

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Originally Posted by kermitology

This isn't a blind case of pro/anti cop sentiment, it's what is the justifiable action in this situation given the evidence we have.

When I read stuff like 'all cops are stupid bullies' then I feel that some kind of counter-argument is warranted.

It's lousy that as a society - and I'm talking CP here - we can embrace hockey players and defend their dirty actions while on camera getting paid millions, but have no problem decrying a police officer apprehending a suspect.

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Originally Posted by kermitology

I see zero reason for a kick to the face being an appropriate response from the cop.

I concede this.

Tower · 05-14-2009, 05:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Gozer

When I read stuff like 'all cops are stupid bullies' then I feel that some kind of counter-argument is warranted.

True Gozer

Not all cops are bullies. But none of them should be.

Resolute 14 · 05-14-2009, 05:22 PM

Pretty unnecessary by the cop, especially in a city so ######ed as LA when it comes to following police chases. He's going to lose his job over something that his fathers generation of cops could get away with easily.

That said, given how many lives the ######ed kid risked in that chase, he's lucky he only got a single boot to the head. The kid deserves more.

metallicat · 05-14-2009, 05:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Tower

Define criminal?

In this case, engaging the police in a pursuit, and then running from them on foot. On top of that, whatever he did to cause the police to chase in the first place. I am not saying this guy deserved a boot to the melon, but I don't feel an ounce of sympathy for him.

MrMastodonFarm · 05-14-2009, 05:31 PM

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Originally Posted by oilers_fan

In this case, engaging the police in a pursuit, and then running from them on foot. On top of that, whatever he did to cause the police to chase in the first place. I am not saying this guy deserved a boot to the melon, but I don't feel an ounce of sympathy for him.

Should the officer be punished for what he did?

Tower · 05-14-2009, 05:34 PM

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Originally Posted by oilers_fan

In this case, engaging the police in a pursuit, and then running from them on foot. On top of that, whatever he did to cause the police to chase in the first place. I am not saying this guy deserved a boot to the melon, but I don't feel an ounce of sympathy for him.

But previously saying criminal you were not addressing "this" case. At least with that one post. So to you what is a criminal?