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Old 05-06-2009, 12:56 PM   #41
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It be neat to see if there is some kind of secret competition between the world's security forces. The CT Olympics

Event 1: Kill House Drill
FBI HRT vs Seal Team 6 vs Delta vs SAS-CT team vs GSG9 vs JTF2

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Old 05-06-2009, 01:34 PM   #42
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Old 05-06-2009, 01:39 PM   #43
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To those in the military or just in the know

When room clearing and using flashbangs, do soldiers throw one in, let it explode, and then go in? Or do they throw one in and enter the room at the same time?

Playing games like Rainbow 6, I figure they let it go off first before entering, but watching an SAS documentary, they chuck it in as they go in. They have special filters on their masks to block out the flash, and ear plugs for the bang. They also said they just get use to it after all that training
Anyways, just curious. Could be just a matter of technique
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To those in the military or just in the know

When room clearing and using flashbangs, do soldiers throw one in, let it explode, and then go in? Or do they throw one in and enter the room at the same time?

Playing games like Rainbow 6, I figure they let it go off first before entering, but watching an SAS documentary, they chuck it in as they go in. They have special filters on their masks to block out the flash, and ear plugs for the bang. They also said they just get use to it after all that training
Anyways, just curious. Could be just a matter of technique
Depends on the situation. I've seen both.

There are things you can do to lesson the effects of a flash bang, but you will always be a little messed up.

The one disadvantage of chucking and going, is that it tells the enemy where your coming from, and even disoriented people will get a shot off.
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I did my room clearing training way back in 1993...I am sure it has changed, all things do...I remember it being like this:

http://tr.truveo.com/ROOM-CLEARING/id/4217475399
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In my day, before insurgents. The idea was to chuck grenade in first. Dive in spray room with bullets, wipe gore off of face, miller time.
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In my day, before insurgents. The idea was to chuck grenade in first. Dive in spray room with bullets, wipe gore off of face, miller time.
i believe that started to change around '93, we did our training in Ft Ord and it was moving away from that approach.....beside I think you got it wrong, it went like this, chuck grenade, throw in cocked SMG with safty off, THEN kokanee time..

CRAP, I saw they closed the base in Sept 1994.....that place was funny, I still recall the american dude coming up to me trying to by my TOS. I also remember walking into a "black bar" and the place going silent.....good times

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i believe that started to change around '93, we did our training in Ft Ord and it was moving away from that approach.....beside I think you got it wrong, it went like this, chuck grenade, throw in cocked SMG with safty off, THEN kokanee time..
Ah memories. That SMG was more of a danger to its holder then the enemy.

http://mpmuseum.org/securweapon.html

It did have that whole star wars stormtrooper gun look to it though.
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Ah memories. That SMG was more of a danger to its holder then the enemy.
just proves how stupid the empire was:

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IIRC, you would use grenades unless there was a reasonable chance civilians are in the area or you were trying to take people alive.
The marines train with grenades in their urban water fighting training
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IIRC, you would use grenades unless there was a reasonable chance civilians are in the area or you were trying to take people alive.
The marines train with grenades in their urban water fighting training
it is totally situation dependant that is the beauty of FIBUA......
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IIRC, you would use grenades unless there was a reasonable chance civilians are in the area or you were trying to take people alive.
The marines train with grenades in their urban water fighting training
If you came under fire from that building. or from that room, then the grenade went into the room first. We didn't carry flashbangs or stun grenades in my day, we couldn't afford em.
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it is totally situation dependant that is the beauty of FIBUA......
I like the term FISH better.

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Not to mention they also have killing power in their hands
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I thought it was crap......any good US soldier would have drawn back to high ground, lit the target up with a laser and called in the wrath of god....
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I thought it was crap......any good US soldier would have drawn back to high ground, lit the target up with a laser and called in the wrath of god....
At work, so I don't want to google it
I take it the Spetnaz won?
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Old 05-14-2009, 09:21 AM   #58
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I take it the Spetnaz won?
yeah.....however having seen the Eastern Pact military close up...........we should have started a war.......stupid commies
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That knife alone won it for me. That is perhaps the coolest weapon I've seen. I was literally shocked when it went through the targets. Also the dude taking the punches was pretty impressive.
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That knife alone won it for me. That is perhaps the coolest weapon I've seen. I was literally shocked when it went through the targets. Also the dude taking the punches was pretty impressive.
this is a cool weapon

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