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Hack&Lube · 05-05-2009, 04:13 PM

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Originally Posted by dissentowner

No, your full of crap because you could not have watched the video nor will you nor have you. I said that eating meat was a preference and that I had a problem with the commercial methods, try reading before getting on your high horse!

Dude, I've seen that video and much worse of various slaughterhouses like the one where chickens were kicked around like soccerballs by workers and then electrocuted...I still eat burgers and KFC without a guilty conscience. Animals (humans included) eat meat. In order to get meat, another animal must invariably suffer and have it's life ended.

It doesn't mean I'm not an animal lover. In fact I am an animal lover and have raised many pets - but I learn to distance myself and disassociate myself from things like this that are simply a neccessary part of life and modern society.

transplant99 · 05-05-2009, 04:14 PM

Oh and i should probably add that the very reason i have been able to post along all day is that i am quarantined in my home because i have the flu (tested yesterday havent heard results yet)....so if anyone has any animal tested products they know about that will help me out...PLEASE let me know ASAP!!

Bring_Back_Shantz · 05-05-2009, 04:14 PM

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Originally Posted by dissentowner

I am an exotic pet breeder/distributer. Mainly reptiles, amphibians, and arachnids. I love my job.

Slave Trader!

Hack&Lube · 05-05-2009, 04:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Suzles

If the cat was a farm cat or a wild/feral cat he would have eaten the prey. We are the ones who are interfering with the natural way of things by providing house cats with their food and restricting their hunting instincts. The cat just isn't hungry.

Negative. I have been out in fields and farms and seeing farm cats play with mice in front of my eyes, torturing them while they are alive. Farm cats seem to be even more adept at this than house cats. They are playing. Playing is fun because it is hard wired into animal brains (and humans) from evolution for hunting/killing skills as well as natural curiosity.

Bagor · 05-05-2009, 04:15 PM

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Originally Posted by transplant99

Oh and i should probably add that the very reason i have been able to post along all day is that i am quarantined in my home because i have the flu (tested yesterday havent heard results yet)....so if anyone has any animal tested products they know about that will help me out...PLEASE let me know ASAP!!

I've heard flushing a goldfish down the toilet works wonders.

MrMastodonFarm · 05-05-2009, 04:16 PM

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Originally Posted by dissentowner

I am an exotic pet breeder/distributer. Mainly reptiles, amphibians, and arachnids. I love my job.

I'm sorry, if you really think humans are on equal footing with other animals, how can you honestly do that job?

dissentowner · 05-05-2009, 04:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Hack&Lube

Dude, I've seen that video and much worse of various slaughterhouses like the one where chickens were kicked around like soccerballs by workers and then electrocuted...I still eat burgers and KFC without a guilty conscience. Animals (humans included) eat meat. In order to get meat, another animal must invariably suffer and have it's life ended.

So what you are saying is that an animal "must invariably suffer" to be killed and eaten? Don't you think that after witnessing things like that and being ok with the fact that those things are happening that there is something very wrong with that??

dissentowner · 05-05-2009, 04:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Bring_Back_Shantz

Slave Trader!

your reaching, try again,lol.

dissentowner · 05-05-2009, 04:18 PM

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Originally Posted by MrMastodonFarm

I'm sorry, if you really think humans are on equal footing with other animals, how can you honestly do that job?

explain.

CaptainCrunch · 05-05-2009, 04:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Hack&Lube

Negative. I have been out in fields and farms and seeing farm cats play with mice in front of my eyes, torturing them while they are alive. Farm cats seem to be even more adept at this than house cats. They are playing. Playing is fun because it is hard wired into animal brains (and humans) from evolution for hunting/killing skills as well as natural curiosity.

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Many people believe that cats play with the small animals they hunt for fun, but this is not the case. Cats have an instinct to play with their prey because it’s the only way they can make a kill without risking injury.

Why Cats Play with Rodents and Birds

Cats kill their prey by delivering a neck bite that severs the spinal cord. To do this, they must temporarily release the prey to get at the nape of the neck, but when they do so, they risk the prey escaping or counterattacking. Small animals will defend themselves if they get the chance. Mice, rats, and other rodents can deliver a vicious bite, and birds can peck. A cat has a very short muzzle, and to get close enough to apply the neck bite, she risks injury to her eyes and face from the prey.
A cat will “play” with her prey to tire it out in order to reduce the risk of injury to herself, but she is not actually playing in the human sense. She is simply doing the job that her instincts tell her she must do in order not to starve, and protecting herself in the process. If the prey is lively, the cat could suffer a serious bite that might become infected and lead to death. Only when the prey is sufficiently tired and dazed is the cat able to make the kill.
Sometimes a cat will appear to lose interest when the prey becomes still but then leap upon it as soon as it moves. This gives the appearance that the cat is toying with the poor creature, but this is just the cat’s way of ensuring that the prey is sufficiently dazed to safely finish it off. If she attempts to finish things too quickly, she could risk failure or serious injury.
Why Cats Bring Home Live Prey

Many cats bring dead animals home as “gifts” for their loved ones, but some also bring in live prey to present to their owners, much in the way they would for their kittens to let them practice their hunting skills. A cat who brings live prey to her owner may believe that her human companion would appreciate the opportunity to practice these valuable skills.

http://cats.suite101.com/article.cfm...ith_their_prey

Bagor · 05-05-2009, 04:18 PM

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Originally Posted by dissentowner

I am an exotic pet breeder/distributer. Mainly reptiles, amphibians, and arachnids. I love my job.

Isn't putting a reptile, amphibian or arachnid in a cage sorta like akin to a life sentence for humans?

Having said that ... Why don't you just sell them for research?

ok, ok,....I get it · 05-05-2009, 04:18 PM

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Originally Posted by dissentowner

I am an exotic pet breeder/distributer. Mainly reptiles, amphibians, and arachnids. I love my job.

so you are an exotic butcher?

dissentowner · 05-05-2009, 04:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Bagor

Isn't putting a reptile, amphibian or arachnid in a cage sorta like akin to a life sentence for humans?

Why don't you just sell them for research?

weak, talk about grasping at straws! Yes, an animal bred in captivity and taken care of for it's entire life is a huge act of cruelty, guilty as charged.

valo403 · 05-05-2009, 04:20 PM

On second thought I think I can get on board with this testing only on human prisoners thing. Obviously it's ridiculous because there's not nearly a sufficient supply to conduct the many stages of testing, which is just one of the deficiencies. BUT, I'm all for it if the following condition is imposed:

Once we exhaust the supply of inmates we move on to Edmontonians. I think we can all get behind that idea.

Bring_Back_Shantz · 05-05-2009, 04:20 PM

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Originally Posted by dissentowner

weak, talk about grasping at straws! Yes, an animal bred in captivity and taken care of for it's entire life is a huge act of cruelty, guilty as charged.

Sounds a lot like cows.

MrMastodonFarm · 05-05-2009, 04:21 PM

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Originally Posted by dissentowner

weak, talk about grasping at straws! Yes, an animal bred in captivity and taken care of for it's entire life is a huge act of cruelty, guilty as charged.

I don't think so, but given your previous line of thinking one would think you would think that.

You honestly don't see the hypocrisy?

dissentowner · 05-05-2009, 04:21 PM

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Originally Posted by ok, ok,....I get it

so you are an exotic butcher?

again, weak. You raise children, and care for them are you a baby butcher? Maybe you decide to breed your dog, your a dog butcher? Weak, try again.

dissentowner · 05-05-2009, 04:22 PM

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Originally Posted by MrMastodonFarm

I don't think so, but given your previous line of thinking one would think you would think that.

You honestly don't see the hypocrisy?

how do you figure. try explaining this time

ok, ok,....I get it · 05-05-2009, 04:23 PM

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Originally Posted by dissentowner

again, weak. You raise children, and care for them are you a baby butcher? Maybe you decide to breed your dog, your a dog butcher? Weak, try again.

actually you missed the point it......some of what you mentioned is eaten and eaten is large quantities in some areas.....not sure who eats babies.....oh yeah soldiers do!

Suzles · 05-05-2009, 04:23 PM

http://www.pnc.com.au/~cafmr/online/research/index.html

For some serious reading about animal testing.