Jim Carrey Posts on Vaccines at Huff Post

[photon]

Originally Posted by Tower

So the baby is already sick with whopping cough, and they vaccinate then with the same disease? While she is trying to fight this disease already the inject her with the other chemicals and that would make the situation worse. If you vaccinate you only vaccinate when you are healthy. I agree, this is very hard to watch and I feel for the family, but there was gross negligence from the hospital. Did they give that poor child the same amount they'd give a 200lbs man? I am not being insensitive in fact I am very sensitive to this.

Of course they didn't give the vaccine to the baby, did you watch the report? There was no negligence on the hospital's part. The baby wasn't old enough yet.

The vaccine didn't kill the baby, whooping cough did. Whooping cough that the baby caught out in the open.

The very young, the very old, and people with compromised immune systems don't get vaccinated.

Which normally isn't a problem because the herd immunity protects those people that can't be vaccinated, except freaking morons are running around telling everyone the evils of vaccines, reducing the herd immunity, so that whooping cough can infect more and more people.

Go take your conspiracy logic and apply it to 9/11 or the moon landings or JFK or something, something that doesn't cost people's lives.

There's no evidence of any connection, but you know what, even if there WAS a 1 in 1 million chance that a baby given a vaccine developed autism, that's still a better chance than the 1 in 500 chance of death you get if the baby contracts the measles.

Antivaxxers have the blood of children on their hands. I can't even post what I want to really post, I'd have to resign as moderator first.

[Tower]

Originally Posted by photon

Of course they didn't give the vaccine to the baby, did you watch the report? There was no negligence on the hospital's part. The baby wasn't old enough yet.

The vaccine didn't kill the baby, whooping cough did. Whooping cough that the baby caught out in the open.

The very young, the very old, and people with compromised immune systems don't get vaccinated.

Which normally isn't a problem because the herd immunity protects those people that can't be vaccinated, except freaking morons are running around telling everyone the evils of vaccines, reducing the herd immunity, so that whooping cough can infect more and more people.

Go take your conspiracy logic and apply it to 9/11 or the moon landings or JFK or something, something that doesn't cost people's lives.

There's no evidence of any connection, but you know what, even if there WAS a 1 in 1 million chance that a baby given a vaccine developed autism, that's still a better chance than the 1 in 500 chance of death you get if the baby contracts the measles.

Antivaxxers have the blood of children on their hands. I can't even post what I want to really post, I'd have to resign as moderator first.

I deleted my post as they did not say vaccinate (when the baby received anesthesia.) Her accent was a bit of an issue.

[Tower]

Originally Posted by photon

Of course they didn't give the vaccine to the baby, did you watch the report? There was no negligence on the hospital's part. The baby wasn't old enough yet.

The vaccine didn't kill the baby, whooping cough did. Whooping cough that the baby caught out in the open.

The very young , the very old, and people with compromised immune systems don't get vaccinated.

Which normally isn't a problem because the herd immunity protects those people that can't be vaccinated, except freaking morons are running around telling everyone the evils of vaccines, reducing the herd immunity, so that whooping cough can infect more and more people.

Go take your conspiracy logic and apply it to 9/11 or the moon landings or JFK or something, something that doesn't cost people's lives.

There's no evidence of any connection, but you know what, even if there WAS a 1 in 1 million chance that a baby given a vaccine developed autism, that's still a better chance than the 1 in 500 chance of death you get if the baby contracts the measles.

Antivaxxers have the blood of children on their hands. I can't even post what I want to really post, I'd have to resign as moderator first.

There was no conspiracy logic. Again my points are being ignored. Already talked about autism. DEAD issue here. The very young? 2 months old isn't young. Your video ended by saying vaccinate at birth. So what is it you believe? Vaccinate at birth like the good doctor says? Get as angry as you want! Send it PM'd.

[photon]

Originally Posted by Tower

There was no conspiracy logic. Again my points are being ignored. Already talked about autism. DEAD issue here. The very young? 2 months old isn't young. Your video ended by saying vaccinate at birth. So what is it you believe? Vaccinate at birth like the good doctor says? Get as angry as you want! Send it PM'd.

No, the video didn't end by saying to vaccinate at birth, they said they wanted to start a trial about vaccinating at birth.

You know, trials, where they run tests and find evidence to support or disprove their claims?

It is conspiracy logic, to you, the big bag pharma are out there killing kids and suppressing evidence and rigging tests, cackling while they take their $$ to the bank. So no matter what evidence anyone can bring forward, you can simply claim the results were falsified.

While in reality it's antivaxxers that are actually causing REAL deaths.

From 2000 to 2007 the rate of children immunized against measles went from 72% to 82% globally. In that time there was a 74% drop in measles deaths. And even still in 2007 almost 200,000 people died of measles.. 22 per hour.

If vaccines were so incredibly harmful that they should be stopped, you'd have to show that MORE harm was done by them than good.

So from 2000 to 2007 measles deaths went from a million to 200,000.. where's the increase in vaccine related deaths from 200,000 to a million over the same time?

ETA:
Seriously, provide the evidence that the vaccine is WORSE than the 1 in 500 that will die contracting measles or whooping cough.

[Bagor]

Originally Posted by Tower

Remember this is the same volume that you are given will go into a 2 month old baby. It is still a good idea to wait till the child it 2 before starting if you are wanting vaccines. And use 1/4th of the volume at maximum. Why give a 15lb baby the same amount as a 200lb man? A one testicled man can still get a woman pregnant. (No I do not know this from experience)

aluminum-Aluminum toxicity has been recognized in many settings where exposure is heavy or prolonged, where renal function is limited, or where apreviously accumulated bone burden is released in stress or illness. Toxicity may include: encephalopathy (stuttering, gait disturbance, myoclonic jerks, seizures, coma, abnormal EEG) osteomalacia or aplastic bone disease ( associated with painful spontaneous fractures, hypercalcemia, tumorous calcinosis ) proximal myopathy, increased risk of infection, increased left ventricular mass and decreased myocardial function microcytic anemia with very high levels, sudden death.

ether- ether causes a wide range of effects depending on the concentration and length of exposure. Symptoms include irritation of the nose and eyes, dizziness, acute excitement, drowsiness, vomiting, paleness, decreased pulse rate, decreased body temperature, irregular respiration, muscle relaxation, lung irritation with increased bronchial secretions, laryngospasm, loss of consciousness, and death [Clayton and Clayton 1982]. Post-narcosis effects include excessive salivation, vomiting, headaches, and irritation of the respiratory tract.

formaldehyde - Ingestion: Ingestion of as little as 30 ml of a 37 percent solution of formaldehyde (formalin) can result in death. Gastrointestinal toxicity after ingestion is most severe in the stomach and results in symptoms which can include nausea, vomiting, and severe abdominal pain. Diverse damage to other organ systems including the liver, kidney, spleen, pancreas, brain, and central nervous systems can occur from the acute response to ingestion of formaldehyde. (This however is straight to the blood stream.)

anti-freeze - Finding this is mostly about ingestion... And large sums. It is toxic (as we all know) and putting this straight into a 2 month old baby with other toxic chemicals is a toxicology nightmare.

Can you address the issues in red?

i.e. You talk about the same volumes (which I don't understand what you're referring to) that you'd put into a 2 month old baby then refer to lethal dose amounts like e.g. 30ml of formaldehyde. Obviously every compound has a lethal dose. What you're presenting here are simply the lethal doses with no reference whatsoever to the amounts included in vacines.

I could argue that milk is bad for you simply by presenting the lethal dose of Calcium, same with bananas and potassium.

[Blaster86]

Originally Posted by photon

Antivaxxers have the blood of children on their hands. I can't even post what I want to really post, I'd have to resign as moderator first.

Give in to your hate, strike Tower down, then your journey to the dark side will be complete!

[Iowa_Flames_Fan]

Originally Posted by Bagor

Can you address the issues in red?

i.e. You talk about the same volumes (which I don't understand what you're referring to) that you'd put into a 2 month old baby then refer to lethal dose amounts like e.g. 30ml of formaldehyde. Obviously every compound has a lethal dose. What you're presenting here are simply the lethal doses with no reference whatsoever to the amounts included in vacines.

I could argue that milk is bad for you simply by presenting the lethal dose of Calcium, same with bananas and potassium.

This is an important point. I don't have time for a full post right this second, but just two of tower's chemicals (Aluminum and Formaldehyde) are present in our diet in concentrations far higher than you'll find in a vaccine. An infant on formula will be exposed to seven times more aluminum through formula than through vaccines. A typical breastfed infant is exposed to about 11.4 milligrams of aluminum--of which 4.4 come from vaccines and the other 7 from human breast milk.
http://www.chop.edu/consumer/jsp/div...c.jsp?id=88655

[troutman]

Originally Posted by Tower

formaldehyde - Ingestion: Ingestion of as little as 30 ml of a 37 percent solution of formaldehyde (formalin) can result in death. Gastrointestinal toxicity after ingestion is most severe in the stomach and results in symptoms which can include nausea, vomiting, and severe abdominal pain. Diverse damage to other organ systems including the liver, kidney, spleen, pancreas, brain, and central nervous systems can occur from the acute response to ingestion of formaldehyde. (This however is straight to the blood stream.)

IIRC, the podcast I linked points out that our own bodies produce formaldehyde - far more than is found in vaccines.

[LChoy]

HAS IMMUNIZATION MADE A DIFFERENCE?
April 25 to May 2, 2009 is National Immunization Awareness Week. This is a week dedicated to promoting immunization, one of public health’s most successful strategies. To help increase awareness of the benefits of immunization, you will receive a brief e-mail each day this week with general information about immunization. Should you have specific questions regarding you or your family’s immunization record, please contact your local public health office directly or call HealthLink Alberta at:
Calgary: 403-943-LINK (5465)
Edmonton: 780-408-LINK (5465)
Toll Free: 1-866-408-LINK (5465)
The Benefits of Vaccines
There is no doubt that over the past hundred years, improvements in living conditions such as clean water and proper sanitation have resulted in a decrease of infectious diseases. But it was not until vaccines became widely available that the rate of vaccine preventable diseases dropped dramatically1. Many children and young adults have never experienced an illness caused by tetanus, polio or even measles. In the last 50 years, immunization has saved more lives in Canada than any other health intervention.2 The chart below provides some examples of the dramatic effect immunization programs have had in Canada.

Average # of cases per year and related deaths in Canada

Disease & Before Vaccination: - Cases/Deaths + After Vaccination: Cases/Deaths


Diphtheria 12,000/1000
0-5/0

Tetanus 60-75/40-50
0-2/(No deaths since 1991)

Pertussis 30,000 – 50,000/50-100
3,000/1-5

Polio 2,000 cases in last epidemic(1959)/unknown deaths
0/0

Measles 300,000/300 deaths and 300 children with brain damage
Less than 20/0

Rubella 250,000 with 200 cases of congenital rubella syndrome/unknown amount of deaths
25/ 0-3 babies with congenital rubella syndrome born to unimmunized mothers

Hepatitis B 20,000/480-500
Less than 1,000 None reported


References:
1 Meyers, M.G., & Pineda, D. (2008). Vaccines – Victims of their Own Success: Why Do We Give Vaccines for Diseases We Don’t See? In i4ph, Do Vaccines Cause That (pp. 11). Galveston, Texas.
2 National Advisory Committee on Immunization. (2006). Canadian Immunization Guide (7th ed.). Ottawa, ON: Public Health Agency of Canada.
3 Gold, R. (2006). Your Child’s Best Shot (3rd ed.). Ottawa, ON: Canadian Paediatric Society.

[LChoy]

DOh!
Double post

Also, can't get that chart to work

[joe_mullen]

Two points. As I've already stated, what the conspiracy theorists fail to comprehend is that big pharma LOSE money with vaccinations. The potential profits of medicating the complications from NOT vaccinating people are far greater than the profits from selling vaccinations. Second of all, you can make a claim that even water can be toxic (due to hyponatremia) but yet we still allow it to be ingested by most quite liberally.

[Tower]

Congressman Paul on the Recent Swine Flu Scare



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TB5-Y08qbjo

[photon]

Yeah, rather than respond to anyone's posts just post a video discussing if the response to the current outbreak is appropriate or not. Hardly relevant to the topic of vaccination as a whole.

Pretty much expected though.

[RougeUnderoos]

Originally Posted by Tower

aluminum-Aluminum toxicity has been recognized in many settings where exposure is heavy or prolonged, where renal function is limited, or where apreviously accumulated bone burden is released in stress or illness. Toxicity may include: encephalopathy (stuttering, gait disturbance, myoclonic jerks, seizures, coma, abnormal EEG) osteomalacia or aplastic bone disease ( associated with painful spontaneous fractures, hypercalcemia, tumorous calcinosis ) proximal myopathy, increased risk of infection, increased left ventricular mass and decreased myocardial function microcytic anemia with very high levels, sudden death.

ether- ether causes a wide range of effects depending on the concentration and length of exposure. Symptoms include irritation of the nose and eyes, dizziness, acute excitement, drowsiness, vomiting, paleness, decreased pulse rate, decreased body temperature, irregular respiration, muscle relaxation, lung irritation with increased bronchial secretions, laryngospasm, loss of consciousness, and death [Clayton and Clayton 1982]. Post-narcosis effects include excessive salivation, vomiting, headaches, and irritation of the respiratory tract.

formaldehyde - Ingestion: Ingestion of as little as 30 ml of a 37 percent solution of formaldehyde (formalin) can result in death. Gastrointestinal toxicity after ingestion is most severe in the stomach and results in symptoms which can include nausea, vomiting, and severe abdominal pain. Diverse damage to other organ systems including the liver, kidney, spleen, pancreas, brain, and central nervous systems can occur from the acute response to ingestion of formaldehyde. (This however is straight to the blood stream.)

anti-freeze - Finding this is mostly about ingestion... And large sums. It is toxic (as we all know) and putting this straight into a 2 month old baby with other toxic chemicals is a toxicology nightmare.

I'm no expert but I doubt "anti-freeze" is injected into infants.

You yak about all these toxic things in vaccines and believe, apparently, that the whole vaccine industry is motivated by money.

Why bother with all this stuff if they just want to make money? Why not fill it up with tapwater? It's a lot cheaper than anti-freeze and ether.

Did "Big Pharma" get a deal on surplus barrels of anti-freeze left over from Desert Storm and are now dumping it into babies at a significant markup?

If that's not it, what is the reason for the anti-freeze?

It's a straightforward question. If you want to dodge this question go ahead. There are many better questions in this thread that you can answer before you get to this one.

[Shazam]

I wonder if Dr. Tower even knows what a renal is. Probably something you put on a sandwich.

[LChoy]

Another Message from National Immunization Awareness Week

Are Vaccines Safe?

Vaccines are administered to prevent certain diseases. They are held to the highest standards of safety by both Health Canada and Alberta Health and Wellness (AHW).

All vaccines have possible side effects. Most side effects are mild, such as fever, or tenderness and swelling where the needle or injection is given, and have no long term effects. Occasionally there will be a more serious reaction to a vaccine, such as an severe allergic reaction.
In Alberta, all serious reactions are reported to AHW shortly after the reaction occurs. This ensures that we are able to monitor reactions and respond quickly to address any concerns that may arise.

So, if vaccines cause side effects, wouldn’t it be “safer” to just avoid them?

Unfortunately, choosing to avoid vaccines is not a risk-free choice – it is a choice that has a different and much more serious risk. Not immunizing can lead to vaccine preventable disease rates going up.
For example:

In Japan, pertussis immunization rates dropped from 90% to less than 40% because of public concern over safety of the vaccine. Prior to the drop in immunization rates, there were 200 to 400 cases of pertussis each year in Japan. Following this drop, there were 13, 000 cases of pertussis disease with over 100 deaths*.

In Ireland, measles immunization rates dropped to 76% following allegations of a link to autism. The number of measles cases increased from 148 per year to 1200, along with several deaths in children, a complication of measles*.

In most instances, the risks from getting the disease are much greater than the risk of a serious reaction to a vaccine. For example, whooping cough (pertussis) still occurs in Alberta – stopping to breathe, seizures and pneumonia are a few of the complications that result from this infection. The possible effects of the vaccine are often minor such as pain or redness at the immunization site and mild fever


References:
* National Advisory Committee on Immunization. (2006). Canadian Immunization Guide (7th ed.). Ottawa, ON: Public Health Agency of Canada.

[Shazam]

Originally Posted by Lchoy

In Japan, pertussis immunization rates dropped from 90% to less than 40% because of public concern over safety of the vaccine. Prior to the drop in immunization rates, there were 200 to 400 cases of pertussis each year in Japan. Following this drop, there were 13, 000 cases of pertussis disease with over 100 deaths*.

In Ireland, measles immunization rates dropped to 76% following allegations of a link to autism. The number of measles cases increased from 148 per year to 1200, along with several deaths in children, a complication of measles*.

Damn dirty Japanese and Irish. No wonder they got sick. Guess they don't have sinks over there.

[LChoy]

Quick point from another angle

For some diseases caused by bacteria, it would be possible to treat them with antibiotics. However, many of the diseases prevented by vaccines are viral in nature. Science hasn't come up with reliable and cost effective way to fight viruses. Most of the time, drugs relieve the symptoms and allow the immune system to fight it off.
Prevention is much more effective and cost-effective than it is to cure. Those that do not immunize their kids fearing autism will cost the health system more than those that do immunize and much greater effort needed to fight off a preventable disease.

So the baby is already sick with whopping cough, and they vaccinate then with the same disease? While she is trying to fight this disease already the inject her with the other chemicals and that would make the situation worse. If you vaccinate you only vaccinate when you are healthy.

Not true. For Rabies, you get rabies shots immediately after exposure since you need to prime the immune system with an attenated (dead) rabies virus to develop the immunity, before the live rabies virus travels up your nerve pathways and kills you when it spreads to the CNS. It's more correct to say you vaccinate when you have a functioning immune system

[corporatejay]

Law & Order: SVU dealt with vaccines this week. Aside from the fact that the show went completely off the rails around the 40 minute mark it raises some interesting questions.

[jayswin]

Originally Posted by Tower

Congressman Paul on the Recent Swine Flu Scare



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TB5-Y08qbjo

Well, you certaintly put those posters questioning your previous posts in their place.