Former astronaut: Man not alone in universe!!

[Thor]

Originally Posted by Dion

If your 'skeptical', it shows you have little faith.

I'd hate to disappoint you so i'll pass on the video.

Amazing, how exactly do I not have faith?

Sorry you'll pass on the video, afraid it would make you think?

[troutman]

Originally Posted by T@T

For over 60 years they still cover up the Roswell incident like it never happened, what possibly could have happened in 1947 that could be classified now? unless of course it was a spacecraft that crashed there. Or maybe their just stubborn and like the publicity that makes them look like liars.

Thor, your a skeptic and thats fine but at least admit that the governments tend to squash the big events and look stupid doing so.

Just look at Wright-Patterson Air Force Base (hanger 18) It doesn't house secret aircraft for testing,nukes..etc. it's mostly used for the heavy hauls of the airforce (C-5 etc.) yet there are 3 buildings there that the president couldn't get in. It's on par with area 51 but at least Nellis has a history of secret aircraft testing and atomic bomb testing. Every time someone asks what those buildings are used for they just get "what buildings?"

I met a guy (civilian) who worked on that base a few years back, I asked him if he every asked about what takes place there. He said during his interview he was told anyone who asks any questions about the base if fired pronto..don't ever ask or talk about the base...ever.

Sorry but that's plain weird in my mind.

You have ignored very plain explanations in this very thread, debunking:

1) Roswell
2) Gordon Cooper
3) Buzz Aldrin is a liar
4) Edgar Mitchell

Some people only hear what they want to believe.

[jammies]

Be careful that your mind isn't so open that your brain falls out.

[Dion]

Originally Posted by photon

Just using the word doesn't mean that one will stop at that and not try to find out more. The whole history of science is answering the billion page list of "I don't know" questions one after the other, so obviously "I don't know" isn't an obstacle to further inquiry.

When the govt's standard statement is we don't investigate UFO's, what else should we expect. Other than the govt's Project Blue Book from the 60's no serious investigation has taken place.

Watching youtube videos or programs put together to get more $$ from advertisers by channels the unwashed masses see has having "credibility" isn't finding out the truth. Anecdotal evidence isn't.

I would call it putting out what evidence they have and letting the masses decide. There are also a ton of books and websites on the subject also. Problem is not all are credible and you have to sift through a lot of garbage. Ultimately it comes down to what you think is believeable.

[Dion]

Originally Posted by Thor

Amazing, how exactly do I not have faith?

Sorry you'll pass on the video, afraid it would make you think?

I objected to that shot you took at me. Leave out the insults.

[Thor]

Originally Posted by Dion

I objected to that shot you took at me. Leave out the insults.

The shot I took was using the word 'skeptical' ??

Its well known you can't stand me nor my viewpoints, so suggesting I was skeptical you'd spend a few mins of your time considering a video that clearly/logically explains closed mindedness is pretty apt.

Not sure how that's an insult, you've made much worse comments about me and my ilk.

[Dion]

Originally Posted by Thor

The shot I took was using the word 'skeptical' ??

Its well known you can't stand me nor my viewpoints, so suggesting I was skeptical you'd spend a few mins of your time considering a video that clearly/logically explains closed mindedness is pretty apt.

Not sure how that's an insult, you've made much worse comments about me and my ilk.

You made an accusation that i'm not open minded then suggested i watch some video. Pretty arrogant and condesending if you ask me. I also remember a comment from you in a thread you created about some religious family where you accused me of being apologetic.

I have no use for you and your snide remarks. Feel free to have the last word. On ignore you go

[Thor]

Originally Posted by Dion

You made an accusation that i'm not open minded then suggested i watch some video. Pretty arrogant and condesending if you ask me.

Ironically in the same topic you said:

I'm not making any such claims. My mind is merely open to the possibilities.

Suggesting those disagreeing with you are closed minded.

I have no use for you and your snide remarks. Feel free to have the last word. On ignore you go

No you have no room for remarks that don't agree with you, and you repeatedly get into threads that you hate, religion, and you could just as easily ignore them, but you don't. Then when people call you on your comments we're the arrogant and cocky ones.

I could only hope you put me on ignore, because you have ignored Troutman's repeated debunking of your youtube videos, completely 'glazed' over them and moved on. Of course you didn't read a word of his links, or anyone elses.

I read links by people suggesting aliens are in fact real and visiting us, because ultimately I do have an open mind and if nothing I'm excited to view what they claim to be truth.

Thats the easy way, ignore the truth, feed your viewpoint without challenging your view of things. I at least am willing to spend time reading xcomm's articles and speakers (about 4hrs wasted of my time).

I'm sure you'd love to spend hours reading Troutmans links or anything photon posted, we're buzzkilllers and apperantly because we admit to 'i dont know' we're closed minded. Yet you claim you know, which is amazingly arrogant.

Oh well, I'll be proud to have earned a spot on an ignore list, I have in my 12 years online never used that function, no matter how people question me, I'd rather at least view that crazyness.

You should enjoy your serenity devoid of my crazyness though, take it easy Dion, I never hated you like you hate me.

[Daradon]

Originally Posted by Dion

If your 'skeptical', it shows you have little faith.

Spoken like a true religious fundamentalist. Right down to the word 'faith'.

Sorry man, when you resort to arguments like that, you're no better than the fundamentalists. Closing your mind cause you want to believe what you want to. And then telling others they can't see the possibilities.

The truth is, many of us DO see the possibilities, we just want hard proof. Because we don't believe the thin veils of 'proof' there is so far doesn't make us any less open to the ideas, or any less imaginative. It just means we do our homework.

Maybe you're just seeing what you want to?

You really SHOULD watch that video.

[photon]

Originally Posted by Dion

If your 'skeptical', it shows you have little faith.

I'd hate to disappoint you so i'll pass on the video.

Define faith. If you mean "belief with no evidence", then yes he probably lacks faith, as do I. As do you as well in most areas of your life.

You're going die tomorrow unless you give all your money to me.

Don't believe me? You lack faith! You don't need evidence do you? If you do then you are closed minded.

The problem with that line of "be open minded you lack faith" type of reasoning is that it can be used for ANYTHING. Ghosts, homeopathy, psychic surgery, fairies, gnomes, sock monsters, anything. What one believes and doesn't believe then just becomes a matter of preference.

If someone wants to believe aliens traveled interstellar distances using vastly superior technology to visit the earth only to be clumsily caught on shaky cameras that's fine, they are welcome to it, but they shouldn't present it as a position of knowledge, only as a position of belief.

I really wish you would watch the video, at the very least it would give you a perspective into what some of the people here are talking about sometimes.

Originally Posted by Dion

When the govt's standard statement is we don't investigate UFO's, what else should we expect. Other than the govt's Project Blue Book from the 60's no serious investigation has taken place.

The government isn't the only ones to do research, anyone can do scientific research into it. Something like SETI is more credible though IMO.

Originally Posted by Dion

I would call it putting out what evidence they have and letting the masses decide. There are also a ton of books and websites on the subject also. Problem is not all are credible and you have to sift through a lot of garbage. Ultimately it comes down to what you think is believeable.

Letting the masses decide is a dumb thing to do, the masses are not qualified to make good decisions.

Any field of scientific inquiry is specialized, sometimes HIGHLY so, the masses lack the knowledge to even ask the right questions let alone recognize a good answer from a bad answer.

It doesn't come down to what one thinks is believable, people believe all kinds of crazy things. It comes down to what's provable.

Otherwise you might was well believe in the invisible dragon I have in my garage.

Have you ever read The Demon-Haunted World by Carl Sagan?

[Thor]

Originally Posted by photon

Define faith. If you mean "belief with no evidence", then yes he probably lacks faith, as do I. As do you as well in most areas of your life.

You're going die tomorrow unless you give all your money to me.

Don't believe me? You lack faith! You don't need evidence do you? If you do then you are closed minded.

The problem with that line of "be open minded you lack faith" type of reasoning is that it can be used for ANYTHING. Ghosts, homeopathy, psychic surgery, fairies, gnomes, sock monsters, anything. What one believes and doesn't believe then just becomes a matter of preference.

If someone wants to believe aliens traveled interstellar distances using vastly superior technology to visit the earth only to be clumsily caught on shaky cameras that's fine, they are welcome to it, but they shouldn't present it as a position of knowledge, only as a position of belief.

I really wish you would watch the video, at the very least it would give you a perspective into what some of the people here are talking about sometimes.



The government isn't the only ones to do research, anyone can do scientific research into it. Something like SETI is more credible though IMO.



Letting the masses decide is a dumb thing to do, the masses are not qualified to make good decisions.

Any field of scientific inquiry is specialized, sometimes HIGHLY so, the masses lack the knowledge to even ask the right questions let alone recognize a good answer from a bad answer.

It doesn't come down to what one thinks is believable, people believe all kinds of crazy things. It comes down to what's provable.

Otherwise you might was well believe in the invisible dragon I have in my garage.

Have you ever read The Demon-Haunted World by Carl Sagan?

Why couldn't I have said it better, damn dude you hit the heart with a dagger.