Jim Carrey Posts on Vaccines at Huff Post

[Tower]

Originally Posted by MarchHare

I stated that the majority of people who receive vaccines never contract the disease for which they were vaccinated against. Are you actually disputing that fact? If so, please provide data that supports your position.

Polio, for example, was considered an epidemic in Canada during the 1950s, but thanks to the introduction of the polio vaccine, that disease is virtually non-existant in Canada now.

Correction. Introduction to better sanitation.

[Canada 02]

Originally Posted by FanIn80

...and the was the point of what Jim Carrey was saying. He wasn't saying vaccines are bad, he was saying that pumping these kids with 2x what other countries use is bad. Which is very much an accurate statement to make.

not really important; what is important, is the dose/amount within scientific/FDA safety guidlines? For example, the FDA deems 0.85mg of aluminum to be a safe dose; the highest level of aluminum in any vaccine is 0.25mg, and the vast majority have far less or none at all. Clearly well within safety guidlines

for the sake of discussion, we use aluminum adjuvants in the lab all the time when we innoculate rabbits. The aluminum helps tremendously in eliciting an immune response - thats what you would want with a vaccine. Without the adjuvant, the immune response is insignificant. Seems to me, as long as the dose is within safety guidlines, and the guidelines are constantly evolving with new research and information, then I'd feel very comfortable receiving a vaccine or having it administered to a loved one

[Yeah_Baby]

Originally Posted by old-fart

Uh... you do know Tom Cruise is way high up in Scientology right? Scientology... the "religion" that was invented by a science fiction writer as a way to make "serious money". The "religion" that believes we are all infested with the souls of dead space aliens that were blown up in volcanoes billions of years ago by an evil galactic ruler named Xenu. The "religion" that believes that once you rid yourself of these dead alien souls you can obtain a level of "clear", and do amazing things like change the weather to suit your own needs, leave your body, cure all (yes, I typed "all) illness, etc.

Ya, anything Tom Cruise says on anything should automatically go to the top of the list of things you want to pay attention to.

Apparently my joke was lost on you.

Hail Xenu!

[Tower]

Originally Posted by MarchHare

I stated that the majority of people who receive vaccines never contract the disease for which they were vaccinated against. Are you actually disputing that fact? If so, please provide data that supports your position.

Polio, for example, was considered an epidemic in Canada during the 1950s, but thanks to the introduction of the polio vaccine, that disease is virtually non-existant in Canada now.

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[troutman]

There are some great youtube video's out there.

Jizz In My Pants. I'm On A Boat. Jesus Is A Friend Of Mine.

[Yeah_Baby]

Originally Posted by troutman

There are some great youtube video's out there.
Dion Is A Friend Of Mine.

Fixed

[Tower]

Originally Posted by troutman

There are some great youtube video's out there.

Jizz In My Pants. I'm On A Boat. Jesus Is A Friend Of Mine.

I guess you missed "One Eyed Monster".

[NuclearFart]

Originally Posted by Tower

There are some great youtube video's out there. However this topic was researched by me 10 years ago from journals stating both sides. I learned that you need to ask questions when a doctor gives you anything. If they can't answer the are grossly negligent and unqualified to give there advice and prescriptions on that subject.

If this topic was researched by you 10 years ago, and you actually read the original article(s) with an entry level understanding of statistical significance, you would not be making such un-informed statements today.

And sadly, if you insist on using youtube as your "credible" source of information, at the very least youtube polio or small pox for a simple understanding of a vaccine and its clinical significance.

By all means ask your doctor questions, but out of respect to them and your own dignity, please be able to quote something other than youtube.

[Thor]

The problem here is there is nothing wrong with asking science to investigate claims that vaccines could be harmful to children, in fact that research has been done, is being done and more is being planned.

The problem I have is people who are not experts, don't have the education or knowledge needed to debate this are the ones in public yelling and screaming all the while Celebrities are scaring parents into not vaccinating their children. Even though Carrey and his nutty wife are saying "dont stop vaccinating" their fear message is doing exactly that.

Why do these same people trust science and doctors for everything else and all of a sudden feel themselves experts in this specific topic?

[NuclearFart]

Originally Posted by Tower

It's states directly that sanitation and clean drinking water directly affect the health of the population. Say's nothing about shooting up your arm.

You completely missed my point. I applaud your use of pubmed with regards to sanitation. But why are you using youtube instead of pubmed in your assessment of vaccinations?

[peter12]

Originally Posted by Tower

It has till early 2000.

http://www.voanews.com/english/archi...1f116624518515

The introduction of cleaner water and better waste disposal to North America is a huge factor in the increase of health. Places without these factors have major issues.

http://www.pubmedcentral.nih.gov/art...?artid=2151113

Yeah, because of things like coronary heart disease, smoking, obesity and HIV/AIDS (in USA). People aren't keeling over from aluminum or mercury overdoes.

[peter12]

Originally Posted by Tower

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Holy Snuphalupacugus! You just used a website that alleges a government conspiracy behind HIV/AIDS and also disputes the causal link between HIV and AIDS. Buddy, you are so out to lunch, it's terrifying.

[OBCT]

Vaccines, eh? I've wondered about 'em for years. Everyone's opinion seems to differ just a bit as to how important they are.

My (mostly uneducated) opinion probably lands somewhere near Jim's. I believe that vaccines "work" and I "like" them in principle. They've halted the spread of numerous deadly epidemics - that's huge, that's amazing.

I just get the feeling that doctors (or the medical community at large) have tended to approach vaccination with blinders on, seemingly ignoring the possibility of negative side effects. My perception is that medical professionals often try to convey to patients and the general public this notion that the pros of vaccination so vastly outweigh the cons in every single circumstance that you'd be idiotic not to vaccinate your kid and yourself with every available formula -- just to be safe. I don't know what the "official stance" of the WHO (or Canada/U.S.) is on vaccines, but I think more studies into the potential dangers of each type of vaccine are needed, and then subsequent warnings to go with them.

How dangerous can vaccines be? I really don't know. I'm somewhere between the two extremes in terms of what I suspect is the truth. I do think there are potential risks, though, and I think they should be treated as such ... much in the same way allergy medicine on TV ads are treated with a list of side effects, I suppose. Why haven't many more intense clinical studies on the subject already been performed? To me, this is the key... as Jim said, do more independent drug research, get a whole slew of reliable data (that even Mr. Carrey will accept ), and empower the public with three things: 1. all relevant information about a vaccination upfront; 2. 100% free vaccinations for all (for those strains of disease targeted as a danger to the community at large, especially within certain age groups); and 3. the right to decide whether or not they (or their child) should be vaccinated.

I'm sure this is an ideal view of the whole situation to some degree, so I'm open to hearing what the practical difficulties are, or how others' opinions differ.

[Peanut]

I tend to agree with OBCT. There are risks associated with vaccines, as there are risks with basically all medical interventions. The question seems to be defining the risk (research ongoing but obviously a controversial debate), and then deciding if the benefits outweigh the risks. I think unless some groundbreaking evidence comes out about the side-effects vaccines, it seems the benefits definitely outweigh the risks. Obviously some people feel risks have not been properly identified and therefore outweigh the benefits, so they choose not to vaccinate at all.

Anyways, my point is I don't see the harm in confirming within the medical community what exactly the potential risks are from vaccines. And if basically every kid in North America is being injected with the stuff it can't hurt to double or triple check!

As an aside, I've always been vaccinated for everything but found out recently that I'm still not immune to Rubella for some reason. Odd.

[Shazam]

Originally Posted by Tower

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Man, I totally agree with you. I also think that the hexavalent Chromium contained in stainless steel is responsible for much of the cancers we suffer today.

[mykalberta]

So whats the consensus, that no vaccines anywhere are harmful to anyone?

Isnt it possible that doctors are so against the idea that they dont even consider it? And that they are willing to "live" with the 1/million chance of something bad happens.

Jim and Jenny might be Kooks, but that doesnt mean they cannot be right.

[Boblobla]

Originally Posted by Shazam

Man, I totally agree with you. I also think that the hexavalent Chromium contained in stainless steel is responsible for much of the cancers we suffer today.

links plz

[Shazam]

Originally Posted by Boblobla

links plz

Let me find the relevant YouTube videos.

[Tower]

Originally Posted by NuclearFart

If this topic was researched by you 10 years ago, and you actually read the original article(s) with an entry level understanding of statistical significance, you would not be making such un-informed statements today.

And sadly, if you insist on using youtube as your "credible" source of information, at the very least youtube polio or small pox for a simple understanding of a vaccine and its clinical significance.

By all means ask your doctor questions, but out of respect to them and your own dignity, please be able to quote something other than youtube.

Ha ha ha you crack me up. This topic is not new but you would know that if you did some research... But instead you keep bringing up youtube which I have not linked to in the thread.... Wow.... Nuclear fart, put your head under some blankets and breath deep.

[peter12]

Originally Posted by mykalberta

So whats the consensus, that no vaccines anywhere are harmful to anyone?

Isnt it possible that doctors are so against the idea that they dont even consider it? And that they are willing to "live" with the 1/million chance of something bad happens.

Jim and Jenny might be Kooks, but that doesnt mean they cannot be right.

Why do people always assume that the medical/scientific community is one massive and dominant monolith that is completely lacking in self-criticism?